discussion The future of AI porn

[HTYYHRK]

I guess they'd classify it as deep fake porn or whatever it's called, so I see that issue

Possibly, but already with CSAM precedent taking an image of a child and modifying it or using it in any way to create sexually explicit material is criminalized. Also creating images which are visually indistinguishable from a real child is also already criminalized, the original reason being that a person could skirt the first rule by editing a real picture such that the face is different to avoid it being tracked to the original subject. Note this is US law but I doubt there are any countries that are significantly more permissive on this.

 

[Michael_Long]

Few reasons I can think of:

- There are just not a lot of lolisho devs, so even fewer of those will have a preference for photorealistic AI.
- More practical speaking, no one in law enforcement gives a shit about fictional pixels. They do care a whole lot about pixels that might be real. You're painting a huge target on your back.
- On the flipside, it would also suck if your game landed someone else in jail. Yes, I know that even my furry game would already be illegal in certain jurisdictions, but honestly if someone gets arrested because they banged an underage fictional cheetah that doesn't feel like it's my fault, it just feels like the laws in their country are idiotic. If I'd make an extremely realistic game and that landed someone in jail, I would feel responsible.
- The nonrealistic models are just a lot safer for your conscience. Yes, you can train a model on nude adults and clothed children, and it can infer how a nude child would look like, but let's not kid ourselves: If you want true photorealism it's likely the training data is going to contain material I'd consider abhorrent.
- Finally, I'd say photorealistic games would be less popular than reasonably-realistic-but-not-photorealistic games. If I created anything remotely photorealistic, how would I convince the players that everything they see is 100% fictional? It'd be a nightmare. Most people (I think, but I never took a survey) just want to have a guilt-free wank, they don't want to have to read through pages of documentation to check if they can have an ethical wank or not.

That's why using maximum realism for completely UNREALISTIC species of creatures that either didn't exist at all or are extinct should make it easier: "Most people (I think, but I never took a survey) just want to have a guilt-free wank, they don't want to have to read through pages of documentation to check if they can have an ethical wank or not." If the images show a furry/scaly covering instead of dyed skin, which the AI could have taken from anywhere, and another animal parts, but still like at "no animals don't get hurt in developing this visual content only for uses on pc."

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Possibly, but already with CSAM precedent taking an image of a child and modifying it or using it in any way to create sexually explicit material is criminalized. Also creating images which are visually indistinguishable from a real child is also already criminalized, the original reason being that a person could skirt the first rule by editing a real picture such that the face is different to avoid it being tracked to the original subject. Note this is US law but I doubt there are any countries that are significantly more permissive on this.

There are countries in which the age of consent is as close as possible to the biological age of beginning of puberty, therefore, there fake images of young preteen characters are likely to be allowed, IMHO.

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But still, has no one really found/created games with semi-realistic characters and placed them NOT on the Internet, but on the i2p, yggdrasile, ipv8, dotonion, or utopiadotis networks?

 

[gestved]

the problem about AI is that it can make this frowned upon content without actually commiting a crime, but it also can make FBI arrest you just for attempting to prompt it to make such content. Lets just say that for humanity to reach an understanding about privacy and individuality it will probably have to go much much further than persecutting lolicons, we are basically low hanging fruit.

It may never reach such an understanding before we get extinct

 

[Oga08]

Besides Grok going Mecha-Hitler it also put out CSAM for a while. Never tried to seek out anything that got made during that short window. I'm sure some stuff that got generated was convincing and of good quality. The capability might already be there and in some peoples hands right now. Why go to jail for sharing your generations around, maybe some people are being scammed and sold it on the darkweb this moment. Even if there was indistinguishable from reality level AI generations, you would not just find them floating around anywhere.

AI will continue to be the source of an endless stream of shit and spam. Same going for porn, as the rule applies. There are OF accounts making more money monthly than the all of us, of people who never existed. I could not tell which cheese wheel was the real one and likely we all scrolled past something we deemed real when it wasn't. Some convincing stuff is already being made and with time it will get more accessible coming with a lot more competitors on our attention span.

 

[m72o5xvz81]

Possibly, but already with CSAM precedent taking an image of a child and modifying it or using it in any way to create sexually explicit material is criminalized.

How many people realized when they renamed "child porn" to "CSAM" - it was to expand it to anything someone didn't like?

 

[exlurker]

Using a real image of a child to create the training data at all is probably going to be illegal, even if the image was fine on its own. This would fall under the same category as using the same image as a basis for a Photoshop.

The ais are intelligent enough now to give you a realistic child from properly tagged, consenting adult photos and illustrations of non existing, artistic illustrations of both adults and children.
But people attack Ai with the lie that real children have been abused.

 

[Dolphin]

I'm convinced the means to do such content locally is already available; if a dev will feel comfortable to create such a game is the real question. Not long ago we had two examples of devs who created games with loli content, those characters were obviously not real people, but one dev ended up in jail , and the other had to abandon his highly successful games because of pixel police persecution.
The roots of most of mankind conflicts are our apparently unavoidable desire to establish how others should live their lives, to force everybody else to follow our ways of life, to force them to accept and enforce our opinions on everything. They are not really concerned about child safety, if that's was the case, videos, stories, games with fictitious underage characters would not be illegal, since no child was at risk during the making of such material; it is just their desire to force you to accept their points of view.

The fact that movies like Quentin Tarantino's "Hostel", were the most barbaric torture is portrayed, are legal, tells a lot about the Western countries real values. In my opinion such movies should not be illegal, since they are works of fiction, they are fantasy, and there should be no censorship for fantasy, and the same should apply to whatever work of fiction is produced, no matter what its content is, bestiality, underage sex, incestuous relationship, you name it. But I know it won't happen, we will continue trying to tell others how they should live their lives!

One funny fact, if the book "Lolita" was written today, Vladimir Nabokov, the author, would probably be arrested! It looks like people living in the 1950s were more capable of seeing the difference between fiction and reality, since his book became one masterpiece of world literature.

 

[PaganGods08]

The ais are intelligent enough now to give you a realistic child from properly tagged, consenting adult photos and illustrations of non existing, artistic illustrations of both adults and children.
But people attack Ai with the lie that real children have been abused.

if the AI is able to convincinly create realistic CSAM it is becouse is it basing it on either pics of children and editing them, or basing is straight off CSAM , considereing there was a least 1 big reference library used for ai that contained CSAM. yeah you probably have a point that it dosn't direcly harm kids , but most possesion dosn't but dose create a market and demand, and lets be real even if most of csam becomes AI, there would still be a thriving possibly elitist, adn likely more exspensive marker for, you know "the real shit".

 

[ZDaGoat]

We shall cherish every bit of open source software and model that is out there and can be used for free on consumer hardware. They can't take that away that easily.

But many of the big companies are being pressured to perform as a money machine in the future instead of burning money. They will hide their best stuff behind pay walls, sadly, and stop publshing their state of the art models for everyone. Once you have the computing power, you control the price, you control the access, and much of the lewd or even just NSFW stuff will vanish in such an environment.

Therefore fight for Open Source and local inference! Pressure them to release their models open source! And if they do so, give them some love.

 

[edrtftgh]

Besides Grok going Mecha-Hitler it also put out CSAM for a while. Never tried to seek out anything that got made during that short window. I'm sure some stuff that got generated was convincing and of good quality. The capability might already be there and in some peoples hands right now. Why go to jail for sharing your generations around, maybe some people are being scammed and sold it on the darkweb this moment. Even if there was indistinguishable from reality level AI generations, you would not just find them floating around anywhere.

AI will continue to be the source of an endless stream of shit and spam. Same going for porn, as the rule applies. There are OF accounts making more money monthly than the all of us, of people who never existed. I could not tell which cheese wheel was the real one and likely we all scrolled past something we deemed real when it wasn't. Some convincing stuff is already being made and with time it will get more accessible coming with a lot more competitors on our attention span.

grow was insane, a lot of time it got moderated content because its training dataset was based on nsfw and even a sfw request could give unexpected results, most of the time I had to say that the subjects were dressed to avoid its perverted imagination.
when they tried to fix it the model stopped following prompts to return nosense video.

We shall cherish every bit of open source software and model that is out there and can be used for free on consumer hardware. They can't take that away that easily.

But many of the big companies are being pressured to perform as a money machine in the future instead of burning money. They will hide their best stuff behind pay walls, sadly, and stop publshing their state of the art models for everyone. Once you have the computing power, you control the price, you control the access, and much of the lewd or even just NSFW stuff will vanish in such an environment.

Therefore fight for Open Source and local inference! Pressure them to release their models open source! And if they do so, give them some love.

The issue that I see in open source models are:
- high hardware requirement, which means that you can't compete with company models on your laptop
- A lot of them are trained and distributed by companies interest into became the standard to make money, for example wan stopped the open source release months ago

 

[janfass2]

I imagine it will be like Cyberpunk 2077, you'll just have to pay more to see it

 

[Alkatrav]

The government will strengthen laws against certain AI content in an attempt to discourage people, but it will end up being unregulatable.