discussion The future of AI porn

[irh15gh]

I was wondering, do you guys think that with the inevitable advancement of AI that it will make better/more realistic porn for certain, shall we say, societally frowned upon fetishes? For example, bestiality. Since that is a very taboo subject, but a lot of people have some form of fetish for it, do you believe someone could use AI to make a game that has photorealistic AI in it to entice their target audience while also avoiding potential legal troubles since no real life bestiality occured? Or for a more relevant example for the people of this site, do you think someone could do the same thing for lolis?

So that's basically it. Do you believe that in our future, people like us could enjoy photorealistic loli games that used AI to get out rocks off, but no kids were harmed in the making of it? Or are there other things that my, admittedly, low IQ haven't thought about, both in issues and other potential uses?

 

[Nastastic]

Photorealistic loli is either already illegal, or about to become illegal, pretty much everywhere. That's why it was purged from the site. The white knights and bible thumpers just can't allow us to have nice things.

 

[Redyscom]

It’s incredibly hard to say, but I think the main mistake with AI was leaving it in the hands of the general public so early on. Obviously, the goal was to train the models quickly and almost for free, but it flooded the internet with AI slop and allowed scammers to deceive investors.

If AI survives the bursting of its bubble with enough life left to avoid sinking and returns to exclusively business, military, and research use, it will be heavily regulated worldwide. As a result, the chances of porn production becoming something widely viewed outside of a niche market are slim... which would actually be a positive thing—the fewer eyes, the more freedom.

In the end, it’s the internet—no matter what barriers you put up, they can always be circumvented, dodged, and breached.

 

[freenow133]

I mean the cat is out of the bag, I imagine eventually open models will be so good that you could practically do anything you want locally as long as you're willing to fork over major money for the hardware.

 

[Matm95]

Photorealistic loli is either already illegal, or about to become illegal, pretty much everywhere. That's why it was purged from the site. The white knights and bible thumpers just can't allow us to have nice things.

The problem here mainly lies in training the model to produce it. Since models are a kinda black box, you dont really know what they are trained on, so laws err on the side of caution by not allowing it.

 

[NateH]

I personally saw something disgustingly realistic. The time of photorealistic taboo generators is already here, just not for everyone to use.

AI as a whole only damaged people since it's arrival. Decimated learning, brainwashed the new generation and it keeps stealing our jobs.

AI bobble might pop sooner or later. Using AI will cost us, who are still dependent, a fortune to use.

 

[Matm95]

I personally saw something disgustingly realistic. The time of photorealistic taboo generators is already here, just not for everyone to use.

AI as a whole only damaged people since it's arrival. Decimated learning, brainwashed the new generation and it keeps stealing our jobs.

AI bobble might pop sooner or later. Using AI will cost us, who are still dependent, a fortune to use.

People thought the internet would ruin peoples minds, before that it was writing on computers instead of paper, and yet before that it was something else. We need to stop fearmongering everytime a breakthough technology changes things and start debating the actual issues calmly intead. Hidden figures is a great example of a movie where the issue is presented in a past time.

 

[misterfluffums]

The problem is that it's impossible to tell the difference between a photorealistic AI generation and real CSAM put through a crappy AI filter to introduce plausible deniability.

The only way you can prove an AI generation is completely fictional is by keeping the generation patterns so you can show you can regenerate it from words only, but as soon as you try to do anything more fancy like inpainting away flaws afterwards it gets harder and harder to prove how exactly you generated it.

So I can't see photorealistic loli AI ever getting legalized, it would be a nightmare for the police to have to prove what is fictional and what is real.

It’s incredibly hard to say, but I think the main mistake with AI was leaving it in the hands of the general public so early on. Obviously, the goal was to train the models quickly and almost for free, but it flooded the internet with AI slop and allowed scammers to deceive investors.

If AI survives the bursting of its bubble with enough life left to avoid sinking and returns to exclusively business, military, and research use, it will be heavily regulated worldwide. As a result, the chances of porn production becoming something widely viewed outside of a niche market are slim... which would actually be a positive thing—the fewer eyes, the more freedom.

In the end, it’s the internet—no matter what barriers you put up, they can always be circumvented, dodged, and breached.

In my view, the current AI bubble is like the dotcom crisis. Sure, there was an internet bubble, but after it burst it wasn't like the internet went away.

 

[exlurker]

It feels like they are boiling the frog, by slowly making things illegal as people move from one art form to another.
Images of real person illegal - > move to non real Ai generated - >these are made illegal - > move to legal manga - > these are made illegal - > move to dolls - >these are made illegal - > move to text stories - > these are made illegal...

This is just moving the goalposts and witch hunt.

 

[Matm95]

The problem is that it's impossible to tell the difference between a photorealistic AI generation and real CSAM put through a crappy AI filter to introduce plausible deniability.

The only way you can prove an AI generation is completely fictional is by keeping the generation patterns so you can show you can regenerate it from words only, but as soon as you try to do anything more fancy like inpainting away flaws afterwards it gets harder and harder to prove how exactly you generated it.

So I can't see photorealistic loli AI ever getting legalized, it would be a nightmare for the police to have to prove what is fictional and what is real.

In my view, the current AI bubble is like the dotcom crisis. Sure, there was an internet bubble, but after it burst it wasn't like the internet went away.

Yup, good takes on both matters. There might be a bobble, and the trained AIs dont dissapear when it pops.

And yeah, didn't even think of plausible deniability. They already need to prove the ages of borderline cases, so adding the filter is just making things more difficult.

 

[Cratosstratos]

You allready haved modells that can make most stuff photorealistic. The futue is simple, you can get a modell to generate whatever you desire. And the government will try to forbid it and start punish people.

 

[CaBing]

Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised if we get to a point soon where you need to have your ID tied to any of the big AI services. But as AI image/video generation gets better and cheaper over time, stopping people from just using offline, local models or models from nations with less strict laws would be very tough.

 

[Matm95]

You allready haved modells that can make most stuff photorealistic. The futue is simple, you can get a modell to generate whatever you desire. And the government will try to forbid it and start punish people.

I mean yeah, you present things as they are, but I don't really think that you considered that it might be for the best for underage content. (See above discussion)

 

[bigusdickus233]

It's just a matter of time really. These tools were given to everybody freely it's like opening pandora's box, no getting everything back in. Plus considering how slow new laws are to come around for anything tech related & the speed of advancement, there's no stopping. Anything yall can think of is gonna get made somewhere, it's like another layer of r34 lmao

 

[irh15gh]

Some of you have said that photorealistic images like this are already possible and even being done, if so, why hasn't someone already created said game? Is it that it has been done and is just buried away some where deep on the Internet, or do you think that creators are afraid of legal consequences and stay away from for their safety?

 

[bigusdickus233]

Some of you have said that photorealistic images like this are already possible and even being done, if so, why hasn't someone already created said game? Is it that it has been done and is just buried away some where deep on the Internet, or do you think that creators are afraid of legal consequences and stay away from for their safety?

I think it's a combination of things. There's that one guy on here that seemed super into making a full game with his custom generators and stuff, but the overlap between AI art enthusiasts and game makers I think is smaller than you'd think. There's a lot that goes into doing it well, and of the people that are gonna try it I'd say most are solo devs. It's pretty easy to burn out and not finish a project.

On if the realistic models already exist, I think we've already seen the best that we can get currently. If you want super-photorealistic can't tell it's AI with all the sweet sweet fuckening, it's gonna take another tech advancement. IMO current stuff has gotten as good as it can without something new coming along to revolutionize the way they work

 

[m72o5xvz81]

It's just a matter of time really. These tools were given to everybody freely it's like opening pandora's box, no getting everything back in. Plus considering how slow new laws are to come around for anything tech related & the speed of advancement, there's no stopping. Anything yall can think of is gonna get made somewhere, it's like another layer of r34 lmao

And be glad about that. If you Googles and your Facebooks had their way you never would have any idea you could run AI at home.

 

[misterfluffums]

Some of you have said that photorealistic images like this are already possible and even being done, if so, why hasn't someone already created said game? Is it that it has been done and is just buried away some where deep on the Internet, or do you think that creators are afraid of legal consequences and stay away from for their safety?

Few reasons I can think of:

- There are just not a lot of lolisho devs, so even fewer of those will have a preference for photorealistic AI.
- More practical speaking, no one in law enforcement gives a shit about fictional pixels. They do care a whole lot about pixels that might be real. You're painting a huge target on your back.
- On the flipside, it would also suck if your game landed someone else in jail. Yes, I know that even my furry game would already be illegal in certain jurisdictions, but honestly if someone gets arrested because they banged an underage fictional cheetah that doesn't feel like it's my fault, it just feels like the laws in their country are idiotic. If I'd make an extremely realistic game and that landed someone in jail, I would feel responsible.
- The nonrealistic models are just a lot safer for your conscience. Yes, you can train a model on nude adults and clothed children, and it can infer how a nude child would look like, but let's not kid ourselves: If you want true photorealism it's likely the training data is going to contain material I'd consider abhorrent.
- Finally, I'd say photorealistic games would be less popular than reasonably-realistic-but-not-photorealistic games. If I created anything remotely photorealistic, how would I convince the players that everything they see is 100% fictional? It'd be a nightmare. Most people (I think, but I never took a survey) just want to have a guilt-free wank, they don't want to have to read through pages of documentation to check if they can have an ethical wank or not.

 

[HTYYHRK]

Few reasons I can think of:

- There are just not a lot of lolisho devs, so even fewer of those will have a preference for photorealistic AI.
- More practical speaking, no one in law enforcement gives a shit about fictional pixels. They do care a whole lot about pixels that might be real. You're painting a huge target on your back.
- On the flipside, it would also suck if your game landed someone else in jail. Yes, I know that even my furry game would already be illegal in certain jurisdictions, but honestly if someone gets arrested because they banged an underage fictional cheetah that doesn't feel like it's my fault, it just feels like the laws in their country are idiotic. If I'd make an extremely realistic game and that landed someone in jail, I would feel responsible.
- The nonrealistic models are just a lot safer for your conscience. Yes, you can train a model on nude adults and clothed children, and it can infer how a nude child would look like, but let's not kid ourselves: If you want true photorealism it's likely the training data is going to contain material I'd consider abhorrent.
- Finally, I'd say photorealistic games would be less popular than reasonably-realistic-but-not-photorealistic games. If I created anything remotely photorealistic, how would I convince the players that everything they see is 100% fictional? It'd be a nightmare. Most people (I think, but I never took a survey) just want to have a guilt-free wank, they don't want to have to read through pages of documentation to check if they can have an ethical wank or not.

Using a real image of a child to create the training data at all is probably going to be illegal, even if the image was fine on its own. This would fall under the same category as using the same image as a basis for a Photoshop.

 

[irh15gh]

Using a real image of a child to create the training data at all is probably going to be illegal, even if the image was fine on its own. This would fall under the same category as using the same image as a basis for a Photoshop.

I guess they'd classify it as deep fake porn or whatever it's called, so I see that issue