discussion Does it feel like there aren't very many "new" games that are good?

[-Bonk-]

Simple case of

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[Earlybird]

Most western fantasy for the past century is Tolkien-esque. Most Xianxia and Wuxia are basically copy-paste (sometimes literally). This isn't a VN problem it's just that people are lazy, and originality is hard. Try to come up with a truly original idea and, if you think for a while, you'll remember something else just like it. Individuality is best shown in execution style, not plot points.

Agreed. The Lion King is literally a Hamlet reskin and no one cared. execution is everything.

 

[Ioas78]

I think some devs do the bare minimum for an update or new release expecting to drop their school/work and live out of it or just make some quick cash and leave.
the 2 examples that comes to my mind are Silk Ari with Oath of Loyalty and SilkandMilkProductions with Heir Apparent/

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leaving their games with some pretty good potential.

There is also people hating on a VN because of some specific tags but that more like their problem.

 

[RJErwin]

i for one don't think the trope is bad or boring, it's just they overdone it and often make it in a cliche way, i love haremcest, suck they do it injustice.
P.S i don't like when they try to mix all kinds of genre into it, it just become a jumbled mess and inconsistent.

 

[uncbuck]

Just because there are more people that can use Daz and have learned RenPy does not mean that everything they spit out is gonna be the next Milfy city. So we get a lot of new games all the time (a good thing) but most are deleted after the first few screens - (a sad thing) Kinda like just because you can write in sentences does not make you the next Dostoevsky. I like the idea of new games - but I hope the Devs don't get too discouraged if it turns out not to be the next "The Brothers Karamazov"

 

[cantus]

An interesting piece of advice I remember from the music business is "proudly exclude some of the potential audience." This worked in the music industry because, at least back then, peoples taste in music was an important part of their identity so they would be drawn to bands that excluded the identities they wanted to distance themselves from.
I think a similar tactic could work in the AVN world. Incest games have become the 'Top 40 hits' station but a dev who wants to stand out could have a shot at a loyal following by focusing on NTR content, including gay (not trap) content, or fat girls, or any other significant niche that the mainstream AVN audience likes to complain about.

 

[psyOP]

Pretty sure confirmation bias is at play here - there are good new games without much attention, because they havent been around as much as the "old good" games to get more and more populär ober time.

 

[donceman]

Pretty sure confirmation bias is at play here - there are good new games without much attention, because they havent been around as much as the "old good" games to get more and more populär ober time.

They also don't usually have enough content yet to be considered good since they're new.

 

[Republican Bear]

Well Patreon reinvigorated adult novels and the first few who were successfully paved the way for many others.

Still for every success there are a hundred more mediocre and failed games as well. Basically supply and demand or capitalism at work.

 

[Liger21]

agreed

 

[psyOP]

Karl Marx was right afterall

 

[User_38269]

Might be just that I'm getting old or something but it seems like a few years ago, you'd check the various sites and almost every week there'd be a new game or an update to a game that was incredible. Like 2-3 games a week being updated that were just really good, really decent stories that had good renders and animations, tolerable writing, etc.

And some of those games are still out there and still being worked on, with updates periodically.
But for the last few months it feels like there's so many games that are following the fetishes/trends that I'm not really into, or that just don't spend any real time on animations/renders, or that just follow the same templates as all the other popular games.
I mean, I like Harem games for example but it seems like almost every Harem game is copying the most popular few harem games and I can't even tell you how many "Dad that's fucking his daughters, wife, sister, nieces, their friends, etc" games that follow almost exactly the same plot.

1. Get seduced by daughter #1.
2. Hide it from wife.
3. Sister comes back into life due to a divorce from her husband.
4. Fuck sister like you always used to.
5. Find out sister's daughter(s) are your kids, fuck them with sister's help.
6. Sister helps you fuck your daughter #2.
7. Wife finds out you're fucking niece, gets mad.
8. Easily talk wife out of her anger with the power of dick.
9. Fuck wife, daughters, sister, nieces, some of their friends.
10. Daughters ask you to impregnate them constantly.
11. Sister talks you into impregnating her daughters.
12. You're a very wealthy businessman who also fucks his assistant.

It's like...this could describe half a dozen games I like. But why?

It's like that "you're a college graduate and your dad just died so you moved home but now you have to fuck your mom and sister, or they lose the house to gangsters!" type of plot.

Why isn't anybody coming up with unique stories anymore? Why are all the games feeling the same?

Is it just me?

Honestly before the pandemic there were a bunch of really cool incest games but COVID really killed it for so many devs and the quality marker just dropped from there. Really sad honestly I hate seeing a game i'm invested in just get abandoned.

 

[borregad]

it could just be that the more you play the less original new games seem

 

[Elinan]

Quality has improved, but there aren't many good active games or new games as it used to be I think

 

[amorazi]

It's felt like a definite slow down in games coming out, and feels like more and more developers just sit back and rake in money from patreon or subscribestar or whatever the flavor of the day is while barely putting out any content

 

[Alterego69]

Hard pass for any game with "fresh college student/father gone/fuck your family" bullshit

 

[BrocktonOToole]

Might be just that I'm getting old or something but it seems like a few years ago, you'd check the various sites and almost every week there'd be a new game or an update to a game that was incredible. Like 2-3 games a week being updated that were just really good, really decent stories that had good renders and animations, tolerable writing, etc.

And some of those games are still out there and still being worked on, with updates periodically.
But for the last few months it feels like there's so many games that are following the fetishes/trends that I'm not really into, or that just don't spend any real time on animations/renders, or that just follow the same templates as all the other popular games.
I mean, I like Harem games for example but it seems like almost every Harem game is copying the most popular few harem games and I can't even tell you how many "Dad that's fucking his daughters, wife, sister, nieces, their friends, etc" games that follow almost exactly the same plot.

1. Get seduced by daughter #1.
2. Hide it from wife.
3. Sister comes back into life due to a divorce from her husband.
4. Fuck sister like you always used to.
5. Find out sister's daughter(s) are your kids, fuck them with sister's help.
6. Sister helps you fuck your daughter #2.
7. Wife finds out you're fucking niece, gets mad.
8. Easily talk wife out of her anger with the power of dick.
9. Fuck wife, daughters, sister, nieces, some of their friends.
10. Daughters ask you to impregnate them constantly.
11. Sister talks you into impregnating her daughters.
12. You're a very wealthy businessman who also fucks his assistant.

It's like...this could describe half a dozen games I like. But why?

It's like that "you're a college graduate and your dad just died so you moved home but now you have to fuck your mom and sister, or they lose the house to gangsters!" type of plot.

Why isn't anybody coming up with unique stories anymore? Why are all the games feeling the same?

Is it just me?

I guess if it ain't broke, don't fix it. But, yeah, adult content was never really suited to having terrific plots. As somebody that watched so much porn they started watching porn movies specifically for acting and plot, I can tell you that has been a problem with the genre since the beginning. There's only so many types of stories that will lead to having frequent sex that's always exciting and different and with a wide variety of characters from all different ages and backgrounds.

 

[dora_the_destroyer]

i get you! i think the only solution is learning to make games. i have startet learning 3D, 2D and am planning to learn coding and maybe ren'py or some other engine so i can make something i want to play and maybe inspire others to do the same. it could be an idea to make a section for aspiring game creator/writers/animators to meet and find people who wants to collaborate if there isn't allready one.

 

[wryxn]

One thing that doesn´t get mention enough when it comes to this topic is how "general" of a topic it is.
Sure, you´re talking about VN´s /Porn Games right now mainly, but really you could say it about most things that have gathered a more Mainstream appeal.

And by mainstream appeal i mean it a little more nuanced than i am probably able to properly articulate it but here goes :

The other day i saw a video on the new Unreal Engine Update, the TLDR here is : it allows a bunch of really crazy things that usually takes alot of time to be heavily simplified, and improved upon while also somehow requiring less hardware Power so to say.
One of these things was overall 3D Animation work, Environmental Procedual generation etc.

Which to me simply says : Making games becomes increasingly more easy to get into, and for VN´s etc the same is basically true and the more people that get into it the more you´ll subjectively feel like the overall quality is decreasing.

In Other words and less convoluted : Games in general are more mainstream, more and more games Exist and thus the Amount of garbage / below average games you see and hear about increases also.

The same goes for everything else, Books i think are a Good example, the Books that are "Recommended" on social Media, Booktok for example; are at best = Mediocre and at worst regurgitated garbage that is basically written porn, and not even good porn at that.

So its a simple matter of, the existing Material increased significantly and the easier it gets to be a "Gamedev" "Author" "Regisseur" etc, the more Garbage you´re inevitably going to see.

For every ten games that are like "Gollum" theres always going to be atleast one "Eldenring"

(get it? Gollum, Rings? No? nvm i´ll kill myself)

 

[kenny86]

As more money starts circulating in a specific area, more grifters are attracted to it, thus lowering the quality of available content