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Does it feel like there aren't very many "new" games that are good?
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The 'bulk' of all releases will be ... and I'll be charitable here... average...
This doesn't apply to just porn games... It applies to EVERYTHING... Movies, Books, Games, Animes, YouTube Videos...
So... like... just kinda accept it and try to appreciate and support the good stuff
This doesn't apply to just porn games... It applies to EVERYTHING... Movies, Books, Games, Animes, YouTube Videos...
So... like... just kinda accept it and try to appreciate and support the good stuff
My concern is after the game gets a following... production slows to a crawl and then they just milk the patreon money
That 'corruption' absolutely does happen...
I'm looking at ancient triple AAA video game companies that have all 'devolved' into that state as well
As well as 100s of bridges in every town that are slowly decaying
I wish there was more we could do about it...
Great topic thread. Thanks for sharing it. Super comments so far too by so many.
It seems the Pareto Principle is a constant. in VN games you see it again and again.
Out of every 100 Visual Novels that get started, Twenty will be lucky to make it to halfway done. Of the 100 that actually get done, 20 will be great and 80 will be good or less. I create content for marketing and the creation process is hard work. I get my butt kicked all the time. Story tropes, plots and themes are like the alphabet or musical notes, it does not matter if they are repeated so long as it's good.
What amazes me is that Aristotle, way back when, in his Poetics set up the framework for great stories:
Here is what I like about the VN creation space, so far: it is built and maintained by non-professionals. Why that is good is that this allows for the above framework to be applied in some random and out-of-the-box way. Experimentation will mostly be failure (80%?) but the successes will be pure genius.
A lot of industries go professional so they can avoid failure and that makes them suck. Journalism used to be for non-professionals, now they write crap! Hollywood is so rife with professional factions they will fail at some point in next few years. Anime and manga used to be so much more impactful until it went professional and big business. I could keep going, but I hope I have made my point.
To sum up: it used to listen to a radio station in my area because sometimes the songs sucked. When I say this folks ask me, "WTF?" I tell them that the radio station did not play all the same focused group based crap that the others played. This station tried to play music (modern rock) from bands few had heard from. The result was that some songs sucked, but they found new talent with great music and played stuff that others would not. This was why I loved it. Eventually they were bought out and now play music we have all heard over and over again. Over and over again, the professionals get so bogged by bureaucracy that art dies.
Chaos and experimentation are the secret to great stories,, even if we have to endure a bunch of crap. I am easy going so I will give an A for effort to all those who actually worked to create a VN, game, or story. Still, yeah, only 20% will be worth playing and only 20% of those worth playing will be amazing.
It seems the Pareto Principle is a constant. in VN games you see it again and again.
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Out of every 100 Visual Novels that get started, Twenty will be lucky to make it to halfway done. Of the 100 that actually get done, 20 will be great and 80 will be good or less. I create content for marketing and the creation process is hard work. I get my butt kicked all the time. Story tropes, plots and themes are like the alphabet or musical notes, it does not matter if they are repeated so long as it's good.
What amazes me is that Aristotle, way back when, in his Poetics set up the framework for great stories:
- Plot: The arrangement of incidents that make up the story. Aristotle considers plot to be the soul of a tragedy, as it provides the structure and direction for the story.
- Character: The people involved in the story, including their actions, motivations, and relationships. Aristotle emphasizes the importance of character development, as it helps to create a sense of empathy and understanding in the audience.
- Thought: The intellectual themes and ideas explored in the story. This element is crucial in Aristotle’s view, as it adds depth and meaning to the narrative.
- Diction: The language and dialogue used in the story. Aristotle stresses the importance of using language that is natural and authentic, as it helps to create a sense of realism.
- Music: The use of music and sound in the story. While this element is less relevant in modern storytelling, Aristotle believed that music could be used to enhance the emotional impact of the story.
- Spectacle: The visual and sensory elements of the story, such as sets, costumes, and special effects. Aristotle notes that spectacle can be used to create a sense of wonder and awe in the audience.
Here is what I like about the VN creation space, so far: it is built and maintained by non-professionals. Why that is good is that this allows for the above framework to be applied in some random and out-of-the-box way. Experimentation will mostly be failure (80%?) but the successes will be pure genius.
A lot of industries go professional so they can avoid failure and that makes them suck. Journalism used to be for non-professionals, now they write crap! Hollywood is so rife with professional factions they will fail at some point in next few years. Anime and manga used to be so much more impactful until it went professional and big business. I could keep going, but I hope I have made my point.
To sum up: it used to listen to a radio station in my area because sometimes the songs sucked. When I say this folks ask me, "WTF?" I tell them that the radio station did not play all the same focused group based crap that the others played. This station tried to play music (modern rock) from bands few had heard from. The result was that some songs sucked, but they found new talent with great music and played stuff that others would not. This was why I loved it. Eventually they were bought out and now play music we have all heard over and over again. Over and over again, the professionals get so bogged by bureaucracy that art dies.
Chaos and experimentation are the secret to great stories,, even if we have to endure a bunch of crap. I am easy going so I will give an A for effort to all those who actually worked to create a VN, game, or story. Still, yeah, only 20% will be worth playing and only 20% of those worth playing will be amazing.
Part of me wonders how much of it is "corruption" or how much of it is just...lack of inspiration or motivation.
From talking to some devs on discord that have stopped or canceled their games, the main reasons seem to be:
- Didn't want to risk it in this environment after what happened to our Aussie friend.
- Ran into a kind of writer's block and couldn't figure out where to go next.
- Was exhausted with the grind and the lack of appreciation for the grind. Renders for tens of hours, writing for tens of hours, testing for tens of hours. First response is "the new girl looks like a troll wtf" or "typo in Chapter 3 this dev has completely phoned it in the last two updates" or something.
- Started the game because he was highly motivated to see something new and different that he wanted to write, realized it was way harder and more work than anticipated, and realized real life and day job were more rewarding so just kinda went that way.
Some combination of those things seem to be why most people admit they stopped or canceled their games.
Now, I'm sure some devs are "quiet" canceling where they slow down the pace of their updates so much that it seems like it might as well be canceled. With six months or a year between updates occasionally, while still raking in the subscribestar/patreon cash. I can think of a few that fit that bill. But by and large I fee like that's a few outliers and not the standard.