discussion do you think sharing and NTR are the same?

[4rcan1st]

First of all, I've never been in a non-monogamous relationship and have never cheated on a partner, so no one is making "excuses" here.

Never said you did.

Second, that literally isn't the definition of "cheating" or being "unfaithful", which is to break your commitment to your partner and have sexual relations with another partner without their knowledge or consent. If two people are in a committed relationship and have mutually agreed that it is ok to sleep with someone else, then there is no "promise" being broken so there is no being unfaithful.

What commitment? they are literally fucking around, unless that's what they are committed to.
Commitment:
1-the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
2-an engagement or obligation that restricts freedom of action.

Also, an "open relationship" is only one form of non-monogamy and is nothing at all like polyamory. I know a number of couples who are polyamorous, but I don't know a single person who is in an "open relationship". It is far more common for people who are non-monogamous to have two committed partners than for people who simply want to sleep around, and of the people I've talked to who do sleep around most of them are swingers.

That's sex-friends. The relationship between them is called friendship at best.

It's also really disrespectful to say that just because someone sleeps with someone else that they aren't in a "relationship" and are friends or roommates,

I don't respect people who do that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

don't push your values on other people just because you don't understand or agree with them. I'm simply drawing a distinction based on facts and definitions, not telling you what you should value or how you should live your life.

But I call that cheating, just because some people are afraid to be alone and just let it happen or pretend to be fine with it don't change what it is. Rhetoric is just that, rhetoric.
Don't impose your values onto me.

 

[Mrjayded]

They are different but in the same realm. Sharing would be a choice where NTR seems to be more humiliation driven in some games. Thats my take

 

[VNThrowaway]

What commitment? they are literally fucking around, unless that's what they are committed to.
Commitment:
1-the state or quality of being dedicated to a cause, activity, etc.
2-an engagement or obligation that restricts freedom of action.

You're acting as though everyone who is non-monogamous sleeps around with anyone and everyone, and I'm sorry, but that's absurd and simply isn't reality. What commitment? If someone is polyamorous and has two committed partners, then clearly they are committed to those people, and they aren't "literally fucking around" at all. You're just painting with broad strokes and ignoring that other people have different ideas about what constitutes a relationship and the importance of sex.

That's sex-friends. The relationship between them is called friendship at best.

Not everyone thinks of sex as some holy covenant between partners, it's an important part of a relationship, but not everyone has the same sexual needs and two people can be very much in love and committed to one another but not fulfill each others needs in that way. I know that very well, considering I just got divorced and that was one of the factors, but that doesn't mean my ex and I didn't love each other, we just didn't meet enough of each others need anymore and decided it was best for both of us to move on.

I don't respect people who do that, I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I don't respect people who refuse to acknowledge that other people have different values and perspectives than them, you're not agreeing with me at all, you either missed the point or are twisting what I said in a way that is very disrespectful.

But I call that cheating, just because some people are afraid to be alone and just let it happen or pretend to be fine with it don't change what it is. Rhetoric is just that, rhetoric.

You can call it whatever you want, but it objectively isn't cheating, because that's not the definition of the word. Also, it has absolutely nothing to do with people "being afraid to be alone" or pretending to be fine with it, and it isn't just rhetoric, it's a life choice you clearly don't understand and refuse to accept. If anyone is spouting rhetoric here it's you.

Don't impose your values onto me.

This is hilarious, you're literally trying to impose your values on me, by making hard statements that polyamorous relationships aren't relationships, and saying that someone who sleeps with someone else with their partners knowledge and consent is cheating. I'm doing nothing of the sort, I'm simply stating the objective definition of cheating and explaining that relationships aren't one-dimensional black and white things that have to conform to your ideals and values. That isn't me pushing my values on you, it's simply stating reality, which if you choose to deny that is your *choice*.

 

[MattShizzle]

Both are very unwanted in any game I play...

 

[Spammy]

For me personally, the difference lies in the voluntary nature. NTR involves the involuntary sharing of the partner.

 

[4rcan1st]

I don't respect people who refuse to acknowledge that other people have different values and perspectives than them, you're not agreeing with me at all, you either missed the point or are twisting what I said in a way that is very disrespectful.

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[uncbuck]

I find it incredibly arrogant to think that it's perfectly ok for a male MC to nail everything that moves without a Female having the same freedom. Sharing or just banging others without permission is fine with me.

 

[zclcr13]

They are not the same, but I don't like them.

 

[LUVGAMZ23]

I don't like NTR. Like at all.

That said, NTR has a very specific definition. BUT, some people hate ANY Love Interests having anything past / present / future sex with someone else. The tag "Sex with others" is good in that regard.

Yet, some say "NTR" tag is to be used for any kind of non-MC sex. I don't like the other non-MC sex too, but even for me, I know that there's "degrees of sugar in my coffee."

Harem = MC + Lots of LI
Threesome = MC + 2 LIs
Romance = MC + LI
Sharing = MC + LI, LI + NPC (MC ok with this)
Cheating = LI + NPC (MC not ok with this)
NTR = LI + NPC (MC humiliated / hurt on purpose)

These are really ROUGH definitions, but there you go. Thing is, everyone put different amounts of sugar in their coffee. So as far as porn, they will want more or less of the above content as their preference.

And that doesn't even cover the people who go "Today... I want my coffee to have... THIS." Ditto games.

I say, put whatever you want in your coffee and let the others do the same (i.e. I hope you all have LOTS of NTR / Sharing / etc... games. I hope they're good. I just won't play them.)

 

[person985]

While they are different things, I place them in the same vein of cucking fetish

 

[Trunk Monkey]

They are the same only in that they're both in the "Hell No" category.

 

[Karamchad]

what one think is irrelevant to the meaning of the word
sharing means you are sharing your girl with another guy in a friendly manner
the ntr thing is when you are forced into that and become a inferior person compared to the other
if you like any of those things is up to you, personally i detest it

 

[Crpapjda]

As i understand, they are not the same. NTR is when someone takes the partner with out agreement. That is fundamentally different from sharing.

Someone correct me if im wrong

 

[vixidev525]

As i understand, they are not the same. NTR is when someone takes the partner with out agreement. That is fundamentally different from sharing.

Someone correct me if im wrong

Yeah. NTR and cheating can be hard to distinguish, if there is even a difference at all, but sharing is with the consent of the partner.

I think people combine them because it is common for someone who doesn't like one to not like both and many places that label content don't get nuanced enough to distinguish them.

 

[PirateSnow]

It's a bit more of a spectrum, I think. The terms roughly try to contain different things, but there will always be people who are just a little bit to the left or right.

I'll admit it, I enjoy NTR but it means something to me that it doesn't always mean to others (from what I can tell).

What I really don't understand is why this one topic is so prevalent? I guess it has a tendency to open real world wounds? Trigger warning kind of thing? I've never had an issue with that, and maybe that is part of it. I mean to be fair... giving respect to the MC or LI's in the VN's I play is not one of the reasons I jump in. I kind of like the fantasy world where disrespect can be an indulgence without doing any real harm to anyone.

 

[Beast Within]

this is my personal opinion and take it as that.

you are a cuck in both cases. the difference is, in one of them you are a willing, weak, beta cuck who propably needs therapy, while in the other, you got fucked.( and will propably need therapy)

 

[Peter9999]

At first I thought sharing ... swinging ... ntr ... would be the same kind.... but now I know better... I found out after playing a few cuckold Games

 

[Peter9999]

At first I thought sharing ... swinging ... ntr ... would be the same kind.... but now I know better... I found out after playing a few cuckold Games

 

[Djehuty]

It's obviously not the same thing. Netorare is unwilling, sharing is willing. That alone translates to very different emotions. If someone doesn't like sharing and feels the same kind of disgust at the though, well that's on them. But the fetish is not the same. The discussion we should be having, if any, is if netorase and sharing are the same.

 

[korochan48]

NTR Netorare - Love interest taken from protagonist to inflict distress and humiliation to the protagonist. Netorare is just a genre in literature Japanese people dont even use it in real world scenario.
NTR Netorase - Simply sharing. Protagonist share his/her love interest with another character. Different from swinging.
NTR Netori - The protagonist is the one taking the love interest of another character. Opposite of netorare.

You might say its same but in a netorase story mc and his/her lover will seek another person to have sex while in a netorare story some character/antagonist will take MC's lover to inflict humiliation to the MC. If a character/antagonist simply took MC's lover without the plan to inflict humiliation to the MC then it just plain cheating. Netorare must have both love interest taken + inflict humiliation to MC.