discussion Proud Father (Off-Topic)

[Feral]

(Quoting a post from the game's main thread here, to avoid getting bopped by moderators for going technically off-topic.)

Well, I am curious to see what the stalking and revenge porn charges are about. A few weeks ago, I got to thinking that, given that Australia treats fictional erotica with underage people (or with an underage appearance) the same as if they were real people..... Are the stalking and revenge porn targets also against fictional children? The mention of a "hidden camera" (I don't recall the exact phrasing) got me thinking further: The viewpoint in a 3D rendering software is technically referred to as a camera, and it's a "hidden" one (you don't actually see a physical camera). Revenge porn is mainly pornographic content made without the target's consent (and a fictional person can't actually give consent).

And yes, any country that treats sexual acts with fictional depictions of children (even virtual ones; either drawn or 3D modeled) the same as if they were real-life children, those are some f-ed up laws. Especially since fictional depictions of incest, violence, murder, and abuse aren't given the same treatment.

But the main problem now is fighting such laws, in particular after they've already been implemented. You'll just end up being the next target of investigation under those laws.

Any stalking or revenge porn charge in Australia will involve a real person and so far we really have no information on them. Other than his local paper, the case has been largely ignored by the rest of the media and the stalking and revenge porn charges have only been mentioned in the local media recently. I doubt we will hear anything about the case in Australian media until his sentencing on 26 August

 

[Spring]

The EU has similar cases, as does canada. The only countries that don't that are 'white' countries are kinda the US and kinda Russia. Even they have some cases that get close, but from what I've seen haven't gotten to full crazy like the rest. non white countries generally don't virtue signal as much

I hate to break it to you but the US is going down the same route.
The below article mentions two instances from this year.
It's only going to get worse.
AI art is just the next in a long line of minority targeting that wins votes.

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[BadJM]

I hate to break it to you but the US is going down the same route.
The below article mentions two instances from this year.
It's only going to get worse.
AI art is just the next in a long line of minority targeting that wins votes.

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That is a little different since he was using A.I which in a lot of cases uses images of real people and if you read the article he also sent those images to someone who was underage.

 

[RandMierdin]

That is a little different since he was using A.I which in a lot of cases uses images of real people and if you read the article he also sent those images to someone who was underage.

Yeah, it said the images were hyper-realistic. I've seen some images (not underage stuff) that, if I didn't already know it was AI generated, I wouldn't have been able to tell it wasn't real.

In the other case, the boys created deepfakes of their underage classmates and then shared them. It was the sharing part that got them charged.

 

[User_19537]

Just wait until somebody goes to jail for an AI prompt.


1. They didn't create any imagery.
2. They harm a living person.
3. There were no actual people involved.
4. Somebody literally went to an AI tool and typed "show me a <xxxxx>" and it created the image.
5. Somebody will prosecute and they'll go to jail.

It's probably less than 2 years away.

At the rate is going, it may be sooner, shit is scary

 

[Freyr]

In the other case, the boys created deepfakes of their underage classmates and then shared them. It was the sharing part that got them charged.

I actually understand the charges in that case. That is a really shitty thing to do to your classmates.

Although I would call it more bullying than **.

With regards to the other AI stuff, I think you need to look at the topic from the victims perspective. If there is no victim, how can there be a crime?

 

[Freyr]

The EU has similar cases, as does canada. The only countries that don't that are 'white' countries are kinda the US and kinda Russia. Even they have some cases that get close, but from what I've seen haven't gotten to full crazy like the rest. non white countries generally don't virtue signal as much

You are absolutely right. Virtue signalling is in the heart of this matter.

If you read what is said here, the hypocrisy becomes painfully clear:

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According to the director of the Australian Classification Review Board:
"Interestingly and perhaps the most ‘scandalous’ accusation recently directed at the Board likely to have been prompted by the Boards attention to the breaches I have just discussed above is that we display a bias against small breasted women…and on this basis… are banning material!"

If you read the word "bias" somewhere, you should know enough.

 

[khaelin02]

...Stupid morons, all this over pixels, won't someone please save the pixels, its corrupting their hard drive likeness of children. Spending all that just to put him behind bars when real ****s are still hurting kids and sending out real life videos on internet.

I've said before was one of my favorite VNs. Ya the pixels are pretty hot, but so was the story, most (if not including some blackmail material parts) of the MC was doing was helping, being mostly nice, not hurting or raping. ...Yes he did go after his co-workers daughters, but in the end he helped them, sort of gave them a father figure, in a weird sort of way. He genuinely loved each of his 'girls' and would die before hurting them. I'm not promoting that fathers should do this, its a damn fantasy, and if those morons can't tell the difference, its them being stupid.

There are many 'games' worse than this.

 

[Feral]

...Stupid morons, all this over pixels, won't someone please save the pixels, its corrupting their hard drive likeness of children. Spending all that just to put him behind bars when real ****s are still hurting kids and sending out real life videos on internet.



There are many 'games' worse than this.

I would suggest that none of those games are made in Australia ? . So far no one has been arrested for downloading games and playing them on their personal computer

 

[khaelin02]

I'm just hoping whatever they're doing in Australia doesn't spread to other areas... can already hear the Karens "won't someone think of the children!"

 

[BeowulfKnight]

This thread is for discussion of the game only. Anything discussing westy's situation or trial will be deleted. Any post doxing or reveling personal info is also not allowed. The thread had to be cleaned up because of this.​

 

[therpfan]

This thread is for discussion of the game only. Anything discussing westy's situation or trial will be deleted. Any post doxing or reveling personal info is also not allowed. The thread had to be cleaned up because of this.​

I'm just curious, what do you expect people to do? This is a huge topic that matters quite a bit to people, especially other creators who might be at risk?

Is it being cleaned up due to a request? OR because of some legal reason? Should we just create a "Westy's been arrested thread" and talk about it or will that be deleted too?

 

[JebDee123]

I actually understand the charges in that case. That is a really shitty thing to do to your classmates.

Although I would call it more bullying than **.

With regards to the other AI stuff, I think you need to look at the topic from the victims perspective. If there is no victim, how can there be a crime?

Legally speaking this brings up an interesting point... I think that, depending on the circumstances, creation or strict possession could be dismissed based on standing. Standing is the legal precedent that the person or entity bringing the charges has to have a reason to bring them... usually it's the damaged party. So if a person was scammed by a company I wouldn't be able to sue said company for the scam, it would have to be the person who was the victim of the scam. Some crimes, like murder, are taken up by the state because the injured party can't and there exists a reasonable danger to the public at large that the state is responsible for, thus has standing. If there isn't distribution or harassment involved (as there is in above cases) and there is no victim it might be argued that the state has no standing to prosecute the case.

- not a lawyer, this is not legal advice, I'm just an ass hat on the interwebs musing about the world

 

[Davidtoxy]

Any stalking or revenge porn charge in Australia will involve a real person and so far we really have no information on them. Other than his local paper, the case has been largely ignored by the rest of the media and the stalking and revenge porn charges have only been mentioned in the local media recently. I doubt we will hear anything about the case in Australian media until his sentencing on 26 August

Then we only can wait , and maybe we have more info in august

 

[Mr. Tearson]

I'm just curious, what do you expect people to do? This is a huge topic that matters quite a bit to people, especially other creators who might be at risk?

Is it being cleaned up due to a request? OR because of some legal reason? Should we just create a "Westy's been arrested thread" and talk about it or will that be deleted too?

Because of too many people talking about the Creator's with their real names. We all uses our Username and hardly ever our real names for a reason. With the combination of that, their address, etc. Plus, the game thread is no longer about Westy as someone else is taking over it and is currently waiting until the court is over before deciding to continue it. I can't really give out all the information involving this due to policy and privacy.

But yeah, it needs to be anything about the game, not about Westy, anything politic, or the like.

 

[MicoJive]

Because of too many people talking about the Creator's with their real names. We all uses our Username and hardly ever our real names for a reason. With the combination of that, their address, etc. Plus, the game thread is no longer about Westy as someone else is taking over it and is currently waiting until the court is over before deciding to continue it. I can't really give out all the information involving this due to policy and privacy.

But yeah, it needs to be anything about the game, not about Westy, anything politic, or the like.

...Isnt the entire point of the off topic thread is that shit goes all over the place and is unmoderated?

Like...do we just open another thread to talk about it?

 

[Davidtoxy]

...Isnt the entire point of the off topic thread is that shit goes all over the place and is unmoderated?

Like...do we just open another thread to talk about it?

The problem is i think, is much people is talking to much, and for privacy and rules etc etc, they even clean some posts, i remenber more , but is for keep us and our forum safe

 

[MicoJive]

The problem is i think, is much people is talking to much, and for privacy and rules etc etc, they even clean some posts, i remenber more , but is for keep us and our forum safe

But like...that shit isnt private information anymore when you get arrested. You get your name blasted on news articles.

 

[LUVGAMZ23]

But like...that shit isnt private information anymore when you get arrested. You get your name blasted on news articles.

Ok. I don't want to speak for the mods, but, bluntly maybe they're being over-cautious, but this site's been targeted before.

So, maybe the downsides of being over-cautious is better than the downsides of being... under-cautious.

And finally, IRL, I'm super-political... with the consequences thereof... but here... but not my site... not my rules.

 

[SeveredRealms]

I will allow links outbound to wtf ever but in the forums please keep all real names and places out. Using them can be found by search engines and draw people to the site that we do not want. Also as of now no one is working on the game or will be in the near future if at all. The game is currently on hold indefinitely and when this all settles we will know if anyone will continue it. But for the sites own protection leave all real names out please.