discussion What ever happened to "let's agree, to disagree"?

[conzibald]

At some point, children started getting raised to believe that they could always win, that everybody should get equal results (or at least nobody should get results better than what you get), "time outs" instead of real chastisement - and parents that didn't even carry through on time outs when their little darlings started to scream - and the delusion that no opinion matters more than your own. Somewhere along the line, a whole generation of brats got raised and they started raising their own brats. Now everything that you don't agree with is racist or some kind of phobic and if you don't get what you want, you're gonna scream your head off until you get it.

I think another issue was the whole "safety" push: the truly stupid and truly clueless used to take themselves out before they could reproduce, or they did something really fucking stupid and learned from it and ended up being better for it. Instead, what we have now is idiots reproducing and brats with the mentality of toddlers running around in the bodies of adults, never wanting to take responsibility for their actions, but wanting to have everything they desire without much (or any) effort.

We simply have a higher ratio of fucktards than we had in the past and we basically have to hit bottom as a society before anyone will learn better (and we're pretty close).

Personally, I talk things over with people that seem to be open to it and have a clue; if they can't have a discussion without going ballistic, then I walk away and ignore them - they'll have to experience something pretty damn awful (no, getting the wrong coffee order doesn't qualify) before their minds will be open to real discussion. Even then, we may still disagree, but at least we'll be civil.

You want one sentece? Here:
Admitting to being wrong is viewed with disdain and not fighting for one's own opinions is seen as giving up and thus being wrong.

Here a bit more:
People seek confirmation and validation in their own beliefs/opinions, everything and everybody who opposes that puts a dent in their bubble that they have to fight to not get it popped.

Especially nowadays when everything is so overblown and put out of context and proportionality, so that every stand-alone opinion is automatically tied from outside to a whole package of other opinions (i.e. If you like this, you HAVE to also like this and also makes you to be AGAINST that).

And so people start arguing for things even though they don't support them, simply because they are in the same broad category. Even if they know that it's wrong in their own opinion.

Oh, and people who think they aren't in a bubble of own beliefs and opinions, are the ones stuck in it the most.

These two are in essence my opinion. so i simply reply on em rather than bothering to put it in my own words.

 

[Kei]

A lot of people are hardheaded nowadays, they hate the notion of being not in the right.

 

[Karamchad]

Because at one point, one disagreeable one start demanding that the other act the way he wanted and if he gets a no, he don't simply let it go, but he actively pursues the destruction, cancellation, elimination etc of the other one. It is about controlling the other.

 

[cccman]

seems to me people can no longer be content with knowing their right they seem to have this obsession' with getting the other party to admit their wrong

 

[User_3471]

Everyone's value system is different. There are also cultural differences to consider. I spent many years in Japan where many things that people just lose their minds over in other parts of the world aren't a big deal. Why? Because the educational and value systems are different. One example. The age of consent in Japan was just raised from age 13 to age 16 in 2023!! Even after that it is widely known that despite that, the law will likely not be largely policed. Why? Because of more than 1200 years of tradition where age of consent was not decided by age but by ones ability to physically procreate!! Imagine having a discussion in the USA about that subject? LOL agree to disagree would never happen, lol. Someone would get punched in the nose, lol.

 

[gestved]

too much money to be made with grandstanding and grifting, and too much anger and resentment in society, looking for people to blame for the world's economic decadence. Also elites exploiting these two to make people fight among themselves while politicians rob everybody blind.

 

[eezergoode]

Shitty parents have always existed. Only fucktards have to beat their kids to make the kids pretend to listen

Of course they have, and I don't advocate beating the shit out of your kids when they do something stupid or make a mistake, but I do advocate for their being actual consequences, with at least SOME meaningful impact, for it. "Ashley, mommy doesn't like that..." is not a consequence. And I also have to admit that since they came so infrequently, the VERY occasional ass-whooping when I stepped too far out of line made me actually listen, not pretend to. I can honestly remember getting my ass whooped a grand total of three times. And in my humble opinion, I deserved all three of them. But a lot of it boils down to not being a "Do as I say, not as I do" type of parent. If you treat other people like shit, your kids are likely going to grow up to do the same no matter what you tell your kids.

As for the whole "Agree to disagree" thing, I'm totally fine with people having a different opinion than I do... until it starts directly affecting me. You wanna worship Odin? By all means do so. Just don't demand I worship him along with you, and try to force me to follow your religious precepts.

 

[c0rkscr3w]

person one: "I want to change society so that nobody owns anything except the state, where everyone is a slave to the state"
person two: "I just want to have my home, my little plot of land, my job, my family and to be left alone"
one: "let's agree to disagree"..
that's what happened.

 

[Loliholic]

Imho thats a offline thing. People tend to think they are always right when they write it.

 

[plainjane]

At some point people began thinking it was ok to be angry and aggressive towards people who disagree with them instead of just living their life and not bothering anyone.

 

[Bangcoaches]

Some people just can't accept the fact that not everyone agrees with them.

 

[cyanluminous]

In a sentence or two, let us know what you think is why the word compromise almost does not exist anymore. This is not about politics. It is about how we deal with people ourselves.

Personally I blame the year 2016, but I think it’s largely due to the “if you aren’t with us, you’re against us” mindset that pervades everything now. Doesn’t matter if it’s political, video games, music, anime, pretty much any fandom at this point.

 

[Deleted member 207685]

Rarely, now you either are on one side or the other that's it...

 

[deffel]

At some point people began thinking it was ok to be angry and aggressive towards people who disagree with them instead of just living their life and not bothering anyone.

social media made people full of themselves - they no longer realize that they are inconsequential and do not matter at all (except to a very tiny percentile of humanity like family).
You should always remember that with the exceptions of family you can drop dead tomorrow and nothing happens

 

[Jantio1999]

Yeh the good old days, when 2 opposing views and opinions could still live in the same room.

Now it's only name calling:

- retard
- fascist

 

[BrodyPresto]

Fuck respecting opinions and shit I'mma start forcing my opinions down people's throats. /s

 

[drilling]

extremely ironic considering the site I'm on but social media I feel has just made everyone much more against differing opinions

 

[Karamchad]

One side does not accept the other's disagreement.
Therefore any discourse is impossible.

 

[fuzzi_weezil]

The internet gave people a platform to project their views without any ramifications. You can state your opinion and when someone challenges it, you don't need to support it; just switch to personal attacks and then walk away. Unfortunately, people have pulled this into face to face interactions, which make debate impossible. Iron Mike said it best...

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[Jantio1999]

Yeh you can say not politics, but I think the problem with politics are just one part of that.

Progressive, want to progress, it never ends, else they are conservatives.

I'm not sure what I am, I want progress that improves lives, giving everyone their favorite pronoun, or say m'am to a clearly big man in a woman clothing is not progress, it's just change for change.

I saw this happening with software, every few years there was an update where you think what the F did they smoke to come up with that retarded UI. Windows is the biggest problem, constantly change everything and the next version they want another direction.

For example WPF, they could have done a lot with, what did they do? They created a castrated version of WPF with new features for windows 8, that nobody uses. They could have improved WPF make a version 2.0. But now after years they made WINUI3, it's not finished, not stable etc. And at the same time, they are replacing all their apps with shit that runs on webview2. Like teams. Just imagine how fast those apps would be if they would use WPF. IF all of windows would be build on WPF.

But again change for change...
(Well this is only 1 part of a bigger issue)