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I mean if what @BadJM said is true then "real children being abused" sounds pretty straightforward. I don't think any police in any country would make that claim if it was not REAL. Aside of that secretly filming 3 female neighbours... if someone does something like that then the rest is even more probable.
Aye. But something tells me this story is not true. Like with American court, they would try to get you to plead to something you never done, removing years away from your sentences. Happened to me, though, different situation altogether.

They had thrown accusations that weren't related to the case against him. And like I said, them calling his collections as "disturbing". Really wish I could remember what it was. A case of "Grown men don't play with toys!" and acted as if that was a crime, itself. I'm just saying, rather place my money on believing folks that are close to him than believing the ones who sentenced him.
 
And the article is paywalled...
 
Aye. But something tells me this story is not true. Like with American court, they would try to get you to plead to something you never done, removing years away from your sentences. Happened to me, though, different situation altogether.

They had thrown accusations that weren't related to the case against him. And like I said, them calling his collections as "disturbing". Really wish I could remember what it was. A case of "Grown men don't play with toys!" and acted as if that was a crime, itself. I'm just saying, rather place my money on believing folks that are close to him than believing the ones who sentenced him.
I can see your point but if he is indeed guilty I doubt he told people close to him the truth about what he had on his PC, it is something I would never told anyone no matter how close I would be to the person. Another thing is if I would be innocent I would not settle for 8 years, I would aim for not guilty verdict. I doubt even in Australia they give 8 years just for fake stuff after the settlement. Even assuming this supposed "real" stuff he had is not true, secret recordings of neighbours sounds too random for it to not be the truth.
 
Use archive to unpaywall news sites.
Well, that sounds worse than I thought, but my God, one from Australia and one from Canada, literally two worst places on earth to do loli stuff. Another thing is if I earned almost 1 mil, I would get the fuck out from Australia and move somewhere where doing this stuff was legal. Still, if he went as far as this article claims then I kinda understand him not moving away because that stuff is not acceptable anywhere.
 
It sounds like the main "problem" for the court was the game. Pretty fucked up. Though I heard of people in Australia getting jailed for pictures of Bart and Lisa Simpson fucking (they have t shirts of that here.) At one point in the Simpsons movie Bart is running naked, but is always blocked making you think it will stay that way, but eventually it's not and you see his small yellow dick. Is that illegal in Australia?
 
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I can see your point but if he is indeed guilty I doubt he told people close to him the truth about what he had on his PC, it is something I would never told anyone no matter how close I would be to the person. Another thing is if I would be innocent I would not settle for 8 years, I would aim for not guilty verdict. I doubt even in Australia they give 8 years just for fake stuff after the settlement. Even assuming this supposed "real" stuff he had is not true, secret recordings of neighbours sounds too random for it to not be the truth.
Courts give you options. If it fails because of their moral belief, you're kind of fucked in that regards. You play innocent and don't take the deal, can be a LOT worse. Lawyers will only do so much.

Example being... My case. They threatened me that if I did not plead guilty to selling the Mary Js, I'd go in for longer. Was a back and forth deal and I got lucky with no jail time, minus the 24 hours I already served. And no matter how many times I tried to tell them I did not do any of that, they still insisted. This is no joke.

The recordings of neighbors, I suspect it has to do with his security camera they took. Not entirely positive and am going by memory from when this first started. And they took damn near everything he owned, old and new, calling it evident because he might've paid for it with the game's money.

Anyhow, that's the last of this topic from me. I can't confirm nor deny the accusation. I only know that they lie a lot to make things look far more "evil" than they actually are.
 
After reading the article - yeah, the guy deserves his prison sentence. While I really liked his game, I found it really stupid to create it in a country where fictional ** is an issue. However, having pictures of the real thing (and quite extreme ones according to the article) and stalking make this guy a total scumbag who deserves to be locked up.
 
Not sure what countries now this can be considered "safe" to create in nowadays - especially uncensored and more realistic looking. The whole "pixels are people if it's porn" idea is fucked up. Be like arresting people for murder who make like 90% of mainstream games.
 
It sounds like the main "problem" for the court was the game. Pretty fucked up.
This is exactly what I gather from reading the article as well. I understand there were more accusations thrown in and those other accusations are more reasonable. But the focus seems to have indeed been the game, as well as making some kind of a moral argument. And I am sincerely disgusted by the judge's moralizing. Did this trial take place in a court or in some puritan church somewhere and a long sermon admonishing the sinner is required?
 
This is exactly what I gather from reading the article as well. I understand there were more accusations thrown in and those other accusations are more reasonable. But the focus seems to have indeed been the game, as well as making some kind of a moral argument. And I am sincerely disgusted by the judge's moralizing. Did this trial take place in a court or in some puritan church somewhere and a long sermon admonishing the sinner is required?
Well in Australia they don't make the distinction between fictional and real content. So acording with their laws, him making the game is almost the same thing as if he actually abused real children. It's fucking retarded but it's their law. Personally, now know the other weird shit that he was doing, I don't feel bad at all. There are certain lines you don't cross, and having content with real kids is one of them for me.
 
Well in Australia they don't make the distinction between fictional and real content. So acording with their laws, him making the game is almost the same thing as if he actually abused real children. It's fucking retarded but it's their law. Personally, now know the other weird shit that he was doing, I don't feel bad at all. There are certain lines you don't cross, and having content with real kids is one of them for me.
Their laws are incredibly fucked up. You'd think it was Iran or North Korea.
 
This is exactly what I gather from reading the article as well. I understand there were more accusations thrown in and those other accusations are more reasonable. But the focus seems to have indeed been the game, as well as making some kind of a moral argument. And I am sincerely disgusted by the judge's moralizing. Did this trial take place in a court or in some puritan church somewhere and a long sermon admonishing the sinner is required?
Dude, that guy had the real thing in quite extreme ways in his possession. And your main problem is that they focus on the game?
 
All I was trying to say was that the prisoners already in prison might not see the difference between the computer generated pictures and stuff and the real life pictures and stuff and might lump him in as a chomo.

I was also asking what Australians do about them because in America they have a really bad time in prison.
As someone having been in prison, the 2d and 3d stuff will most likely get you labeled chomo still, but not really beat up. For the most part they just wanna know why a grown adult is watching cartoons. They rarely beat people up for the real stuff either. To quote someone else with the whole "If I throw water on your picture, are you wet?" comment, they view it more as "Hey, you didn't touch the kid at least." Now…gods help you if you did, because then (depending on the prison) you might actually die. There's different levels of "chomo" in prison, and there are some who are smart enough to know the difference between **** and chomo. Does that clarify things?
 
Courts give you options. If it fails because of their moral belief, you're kind of fucked in that regards. You play innocent and don't take the deal, can be a LOT worse. Lawyers will only do so much.

Example being... My case. They threatened me that if I did not plead guilty to selling the Mary Js, I'd go in for longer. Was a back and forth deal and I got lucky with no jail time, minus the 24 hours I already served. And no matter how many times I tried to tell them I did not do any of that, they still insisted. This is no joke.

The recordings of neighbors, I suspect it has to do with his security camera they took. Not entirely positive and am going by memory from when this first started. And they took damn near everything he owned, old and new, calling it evident because he might've paid for it with the game's money.

Anyhow, that's the last of this topic from me. I can't confirm nor deny the accusation. I only know that they lie a lot to make things look far more "evil" than they actually are.
Well, I am sorry but in normal countries courts are not about negotiations. There is no system of "sign this and this and we will reduce your penalty" You are either guilty or not. Sure, your sentence can be reduced if you admit you did wrong or because the court takes into account you have no previous offences and you regret, but there is no really "ok, admit to this and this and you will get this much, we can throw this in as a bonus, choose your package". Also in normal countries it is not normal to plant fake evidence. I don't know how Australian justice system works, but if it is a normal country aside retarded laws there is no haggling there and you admit guilty only because you know you are fucked because they have a lot of proof and there is no chance for not guilty verdict.

Also, it is important to notice two different things in the article:
1. "Judge Mullaly said although 3D-rendered, some characters in the game were “plainly pre-pubescent” and said while it did not depict real children, it fuelled demand for child abuse material involving real children."
2. "Alongside creating the game, West accessed and downloaded child abuse material containing real-life children taken from websites “at the serious and approaching the extreme end of the spectrum” the court heard.
Judge Mullaly refrained from detailing the “more grotesque” aspects of the material, other than it included “bewildering acts of rape and penetration” of children of primary school age or under the age of five."

So we can establish court acknowledged the characters in game are not considered "real children" but he still got sentenced for real stuff. He had to have something, they wouldn't straight up lie about something like this. Another thing is I looked at the page of his game now and there is not a single character that looks below five, so again, I doubt they are talking about the game.

Sure, I also hate how they focus on how evil his game is and how they describe it as "sexual predator raping kids in incestous relationship", but if you assume article is not lying there was a lot more on the plate, stuff that is way beyond the line. I don't think it's good to downplay it as "it's not that bad". If we are a community who makes a "loli games and pics are not even remotely close to real stuff at all" argument all the time, something I wholeheartedly agree with, we must cast out problematic individuals and out them as a bad people.
 
Not sure what countries now this can be considered "safe" to create in nowadays - especially uncensored and more realistic looking. The whole "pixels are people if it's porn" idea is fucked up. Be like arresting people for murder who make like 90% of mainstream games.

Maybe the USA.

But for sure not any EU country, nor obviously Canada or Australia

Basically you need to beware in any so-called "free" country, except, perhaps, in the USA.

In countries where the rule-of-law is less established, you may be able to get away with more, assuming you keep the police on your good side, one way or another.
 
Maybe the USA.

But for sure not any EU country, nor obviously Canada or Australia

Basically you need to beware in any so-called "free" country, except, perhaps, in the USA.

In countries where the rule-of-law is less established, you may be able to get away with more, assuming you keep the police on your good side, one way or another.
You are wrong about EU countries, in some of them it is just a grey area and in some it is fully legal.
 
You are wrong about EU countries, in some of them it is just a grey area and in some it is fully legal.

I posted a link to a news article a while ago about people in the EU being arrested for AI generated loli porn.
It got moved to the P4 or P5 area to which I don't have access.

But if you think you are safe in the EU, you seriously need to think again.
And I doubt you would be safe in the USA either, even though at the moment, I am not aware of cases where people get arrested or convicted for something like this.

I think that the core of the matter is rather simple: the vast majority of people think that loli porn, whether real or artificially generated, is morally terribly wrong.

Which means that if some overzealous policeman decides to arrest you for downloading this questionable content, then at that moment you have a serious problem. Regardless of the legal basis for such an arrest. Even if the judge would eventually rule in your favor, you'd still be in deep shit.
 
I posted a link to a news article a while ago about people in the EU being arrested for AI generated loli porn.
It got moved to the P4 or P5 area to which I don't have access.

But if you think you are safe in the EU, you seriously need to think again.
And I doubt you would be safe in the USA either, even though at the moment, I am not aware of cases where people get arrested or convicted for something like this.

I think that the core of the matter is rather simple: the vast majority of people think that loli porn, whether real or artificially generated, is morally terribly wrong.

Which means that if some overzealous policeman decides to arrest you for downloading this questionable content, then at that moment you have a serious problem. Regardless of the legal basis for such an arrest. Even if the judge would eventually rule in your favor, you'd still be in deep shit.
Nah, not true. Firstly, it is not "policemans" who decide about arrests like that. Secondly, I was once called to police station regarding torrenting stuff (I was pretty green back then), they told me prosecutors decided to call me for hearing, they don't care and if I had something on my PC I had enough time to remove it already so they noted I was present, they didn't find any basis to proceed the case, case closed, you can go home. They didn't even ask me anything. Thirdly, and I am surprised I need to say again, EU is not a country, countries have their own laws and laws of a country are higher than laws of the EU. There are countries where laws don't say anything about art depiction and then it's grey area and there are countries that openly state every art is fine.
 
Dude, that guy had the real thing in quite extreme ways in his possession. And your main problem is that they focus on the game?
My main problem is that the game is clearly their main problem. Not the other things you mention. And the game shouldn't have been a problem at all.
 
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