discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py EGBE [Prologue v0.3.3b] [Ketzal]

[Nicest_Incest]

Easy for you to say. He and all of his followers (like me) got banned from discord. What he does is still very high quality even if he has given up on lolis.

Could have simply made another Discord and another SS with another bank account and let them play whack-a-mole in perpetuity. I think Ketzal's main problem was he took everything personally, whether it be getting banned from a platform or some sub criticizing his work or release schedule. As I said many times before had he stuck to his original plan with the front project most likely he would have never been banned anywhere, as the timing suggests someone subbed for his front project early on and then when he later added SSP back on it they didn't like what they saw after checking it out so went on a snitching rampage to anyone that would listen. Really he should take a note from Inceton's playbook and make 2 completely separate companies, one for the controversial shit like lolis, incest and ntr and the other for the vanilla crap. As far as quality level even if it puts even Leonardo da Vinci to shame I honestly couldn't care less if it doesn't have the kinks I want. Given the choice between even garbage rendering quality vs Ketzal if the garbage still has incest and lolis and is written well (ie not Life Together's last update) I will pick the garbage rendering every time, it's why I now use a Patreon link in AVN site OP's as a first-level filter on whether I even dl an AVN or not (Patreon link = nope, no link = maybe), with tags or lack thereof as 2nd-level.

 

[Lostandquiet73]

I think it's safe to say this project is dead. The idea of it coming back with all original assets was already like a fever dream.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I think it's safe to say this project is dead. The idea of it coming back with all original assets was already like a fever dream.

It's not that much as far as length anyway. It would literally be easier just to make one's own loli-incest AVN from scratch instead of try to copy another artist's posing, lighting, and morphing techniques, reverse engineer all the assets, and try to guess where he planned on going with the story. Assuming one had the assets already it would easier for SSP as it ended right in between seasons (so the MC would obviously survive and can be rather open-ended beyond that).

 

[lewduser014824]

It's not that much as far as length anyway. It would literally be easier just to make one's own loli-incest AVN from scratch instead of try to copy another artist's posing, lighting, and morphing techniques, reverse engineer all the assets, and try to guess where he planned on going with the story. Assuming one had the assets already it would easier for SSP as it ended right in between seasons (so the MC would obviously survive and can be rather open-ended beyond that).

Reverse engineering the assets isnt required if you can get somebody to replicate the face. Before he got banned for whatever bullshit from renderhub 3Dking made this for sale which kinda looks like best girl. You get someone who can copy the models or learn it yourself and the other parts that matter are easy.

 

[sharkz]

I think it's safe to say this project is dead. The idea of it coming back with all original assets was already like a fever dream.

Such a genius, it was concluded Months ago that this nor any other Game in Games+ wont be continued by Ketzal.

 

[Lostandquiet73]

Reverse engineering the assets isnt required if you can get somebody to replicate the face. Before he got banned for whatever bullshit from renderhub 3Dking made this for sale which kinda looks like best girl. You get someone who can copy the models or learn it yourself and the other parts that matter are easy.

Still, if you can model characters as pretty as that one you might as well start a brand new project rather than copying another one. EGBE had a lot of potential, mostly because it was one of the only loli games with actually great renders, animations and models out there. But plot-wise we didn't know enough to tell whether it was actually going to be good. It had a great excuse to be around smols, definitely. Beyond that, somebody could make a different plot with a similar excuse, just like That New Teacher pretty much has the same excuse as Stormside to engage with LIs.

 

[Lostandquiet73]

Such a genius, it was concluded Months ago that this nor any other Game in Games+ wont be continued by Ketzal.

I meant Dark Games's version, not Ketzal's.

 

[sharkz]

I meant Dark Games's version, not Ketzal's.

Well then, here is where you should be commenting then in regards to Dark Games, just a reminder.

 

[AlBetGam]

Could have simply made another Discord and another SS with another bank account and let them play whack-a-mole in perpetuity.

Should be obvious why that wasn't an appealing option- playing the part of the mole involves getting whacked in perpetuity.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Still, if you can model characters as pretty as that one you might as well start a brand new project rather than copying another one. EGBE had a lot of potential, mostly because it was one of the only loli games with actually great renders, animations and models out there. But plot-wise we didn't know enough to tell whether it was actually going to be good. It had a great excuse to be around smols, definitely. Beyond that, somebody could make a different plot with a similar excuse, just like That New Teacher pretty much has the same excuse as Stormside to engage with LIs.

I'd lean more toward perverted elementary school teacher for lolis or church priest for shotas. Plenty of real life examples for inspiration if I also tossed in things like the MC having side gigs after class like ice cream van driver, party clown, or xmas Santa (which I distinctly remember myself even though I wasn't even 4 yet after standing in line for what seemed like forever at my uncle's job at the time that made Goodyear tires, the bastard still had a hard-on to the point of almost pitching a tent from the previous similarly-aged girl in front of me sitting on his lap).

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Reverse engineering the assets isnt required if you can get somebody to replicate the face. Before he got banned for whatever bullshit from renderhub 3Dking made this for sale which kinda looks like best girl. You get someone who can copy the models or learn it yourself and the other parts that matter are easy.

Sadly assets aren't just locations and character models. If continuing someone else's AVN aside from writing style lack of or changed appearance of background objects will be the next thing people will notice even when using similar character morphs. And they do make a noticeable difference if, say, in a kitchen/dinner scene half the tableware is missing from where it typically was before from the previous dev or it looks completely different. It's like My Sister's Devious Plot, many people, including the dev's writer, were on that dev like flies on shit because the renders often didn't completely match what the text was describing, and that was all his own AVN rather than a pickup of someone else's.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Should be obvious why that wasn't an appealing option- playing the part of the mole involves getting whacked in perpetuity.

True, but it really isn't that hard, these days AI can automate it. He could have also simply did what BHG did, make his own dammed site and only give certain paid tiers access. I'd hope they have deep pockets, because they'd have to resub with another $10 every time they got whacked, so it'd start to get expensive to keep being a mole, and end up paying for content and supporting a dev they supposedly hate to do that while they were at it.

 

[highlrecommend]

True, but it really isn't that hard, these days AI can automate it. He could have also simply did what BHG did, make his own dammed site and only give certain paid tiers access. I'd hope they have deep pockets, because they'd have to resub with another $10 every time they got whacked, so it'd start to get expensive to keep being a mole, and end up paying for content and supporting a dev they supposedly hate to do that while they were at it.

@Dark Games was continuing this & than they went radio silent, they log in & say nothing at all

 

[Nicest_Incest]

@Dark Games was continuing this & than they went radio silent, they log in & say nothing at all

Well, if I was in his shoes personally I wouldn't have even annouced it without something to release, otherwise you get swamped with DM's constantly asking for updates like backseat kids asking are we there yet every 10-15 minutes/miles. Maybe he's still working on it, maybe he gave up, give it a year or 2 and see what happens. Even under the best conditions (assets already saved in Daz) and no real life distractions like a job, losing their mind with depression or bipolar disorder, etc it can take a few months, double that if he's as much of a perfectionist as Ketzal was,