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[MaxCrushnod]

What’s your opinion: is a degree required to land a job as a programmer, or can you make it without one? Is it worth to learn programming at all?

I am a freshly graduated programmer and let me tell you this. Where I come from, especially now with all the AI help, university is more about trying to help you understand "how" real programming even works and how to properly use an AI. So its more about helping you learn instead of "only" teaching you how to code, even though that is of course still an important aspect of the course.

 

[Sainto]

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Enough to make it my new banner

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holy shit thats awesome

 

[Deleted member 230276]

You can probably do the work without one, but I would be very surprised if you get past the HR resume screening process without one.

That would surprise me as well.
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I am a freshly graduated programmer and let me tell you this. Where I come from, especially now with all the AI help, university is more about trying to help you understand "how" real programming even works and how to properly use an AI. So its more about helping you learn instead of "only" teaching you how to code, even though that is of course still an important aspect of the course.

Understandable. The problem is I’m not very good at math, so I’m afraid I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the others.

 

[Yamirus]

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How is everyone doing these days

 

[MaxCrushnod]

Understandable. The problem is I’m not very good at math, so I’m afraid I wouldn’t be able to keep up with the others.

Yeah, I think thats totally up to the university. My professor, for example, used very hard algebra which the vast majority of our students didnt fully understand, but thankfully his exams were always rather easy to pass. But aside from the first two semesters, where math was actually important, the following semesters didnt really focus much on math.

 

[Deleted member 230276]

Yeah, I think thats totally up to the university. My professor, for example, used very hard algebra which the vast majority of our students didnt fully understand, but thankfully his exams were always rather easy to pass. But aside from the first two semesters, where math was actually important, the following semesters didnt really focus much on math.

I see. I might give it a try later though.

 

[MaxCrushnod]

I see. I might give it a try later though.

If it really interests you, then Id say give it a go. At my university, most students who were actually expelled (around 50% of all students) left during the first two semesters. So in the worst case, you lose a bit of time, but not years of your life. But to be fair, Im speaking about Central Europe here, so I’m not sure how it is where you come from.

 

[Deleted member 230276]

If it really interests you, then Id say give it a go. At my university, most students who were actually expelled (around 50% of all students) left during the first two semesters. So in the worst case, you lose a bit of time, but not years of your life. But to be fair, Im speaking about Central Europe here, so I’m not sure how it is where you come from.

Well, at this point in my life, I don’t think going to university would be a waste of time, no matter the outcome.

 

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[MaxCrushnod]

Well, at this point in my life, I don’t think going to university would be a waste of time, no matter the outcome.

Great, Ive found many friends during my stay, so I hope you also have a fun time at whichever place you choose to go.

 

[TwoOhNine]

I have no programming skills (my worst grade in college by far was for intro to programming) but I have a family member who worked as a programmer for mid-sized technology service company for like 5 years, and for a couple of smaller companies before that. He was laid off two years ago and has been unable to find anything permanent that will pay him close to what he was making at his prior gig. He is getting by with freelance work and training in a completely unrelated field for when the freelance work eventually dries up.

If he is trying to get the same salary then I can understand he isn't moving. The covid-era salaries are long gone. Companies have been laying off people constantly the last 1-2 years and offering new employees less.

 

[Deleted member 230276]

Great, Ive found many friends during my stay, so I hope you also have a fun time at whichever place you choose to go.

I’m glad to hear that, and thanks for sharing your experience!

 

[fuzzywuzzy]

If he is trying to get the same salary then I can understand he isn't moving. The covid-era salaries are long gone. Companies have been laying off people constantly the last 1-2 years and offering new employees less.

Yeah, that was 100% his issue at the beginning. He was laid off in one of the early post-covid waves, but he certain he was worth X and not willing to consider a pay cut. And then Meta and Microsoft and Salesforce, etc., all start laying off huge waves of people with much better resumes that he has to compete with.

 

[fuzzi_weezil]

Well, at this point in my life, I don’t think going to university would be a waste of time, no matter the outcome.

Depends. If you have the money, going to college for the sake of knowledge and experience can be it's own reward.

If you are going to college to learn a skill that will earn you a living, it absolutely can be a waste of time if you pick the "wrong" major.

Also, too many people think college is the only key for success. This is not true in the US. We don't have enough people in the trades right now. Go through the process to be come a licensed electrician and you will be turning away good paying jobs because there is more work than people to do the work.

 

[Deleted member 230276]

Depends. If you have the money, going to college for the sake of knowledge and experience can be it's own reward.

If you are going to college to learn a skill that will earn you a living, it absolutely can be a waste of time if you pick the "wrong" major.

Also, too many people think college is the only key for success. This is not true in the US. We don't have enough people in the trades right now. Go through the process to be come a licensed electrician and you will be turning away good paying jobs because there is more work than people to do the work.

True, you have a point. It really depends on what you want to achieve.

 

[MattShizzle]

Also, if you aren't good with your hands going to college is the only way to not be poor - short of some other sort of talent.

 

[dr semaem]

Maybe prostitution?

 

[Captain Panda]

Maybe prostitution?

Being hood with your hands could help with that in some ways

 

[Jack Of Blades]

fixed the ranks and shop issue, what a clusterfuck lol

 

[BananaPrincess]

Good morning to you. Or, here it is evening.

I never heard about meteorological day before. Sounds interesting and it would be cool to see meteorites fall from the sky.

(I assume this what meteorology means?

(My translation give a weird explanation lol)

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