discussion VN AI Ren'Py The Seven Seas [v1.3-Preview] [Zeruel]

[nem33]

So... why isn't there a payment option? Don't you want to get paid for your hard work? This may be a pirate site but it's also a place where supporters can find devs to, well, support, especially for games with actual effort put into them.

Pretty hard to monetize a loli game. I have no idea where the dev lives (and not going to ask), but monetizing is exactly what has gotten some devs in trouble if their location's laws frown upon loli content.

 

[DamageLC]

Pretty hard to monetize a loli game. I have no idea where the dev lives (and not going to ask), but monetizing is exactly what has gotten some devs in trouble if their location's laws frown upon loli content.

Aye, it's a crazy world with so many ludicrous restrictions protecting those poor, poor defenseless pixels. I count myself lucky things aren't quite so draconion where I am (ludicrous age verification checks notwithstanding), but when SJWs and militant campaigners can't tell the difference between fiction and reality the world is going to hell in a handbag.

 

[Psychoticgamer]

To be frank, if you still complain about the ship minigame now that the big fat skip button is there and with the latest patch it has become super easy, you should really put work into your self esteem.
Or do you blame my game for doing do what games are about? A game should provide challenges to a player. For some those challenges are a bit on the tougher side. I don't play the Dark Souls games because for me it's not fun to die 17 times against the tutorial mob. You fail to successfully dock a ship. Nobody`s perfect. The difference is: Dark souls has no skip button, I built one in for you! Take the L and keep going, pal. You don't have to ace everything.

I dunno what else to do to make it easier for you. Even Wilmington is so easy now it almost hurts. You can press M and go for it! See how all these little bridges and landing stages are outside the red boxes? You can go right through them, do the full Schettino and get away with it! And who knows if i ever make it to the point where you really feel consequences of dodging this little minigame.

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And you're dead wrong. The original inspiration for the ship minigame is another classic. They even had a time limit! GREAT IDEA, don't you think?

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im loving the new update and was dreading redoing the sailing game again since restarting but was way more easier on mobile now XD so thanks for that

 

[lonestar69]

I think i keep driving the boat backwards. If its parked backwards then I definitely am.

 

[Paradigminant]

I think i keep driving the boat backwards. If its parked backwards then I definitely am.

My initial attempt was backwards.

 

[lonestar69]

Im sure on the 2nd one I was in the box but not had completed until i "backed up" (from my POV)

 

[screenbleeder404]

Wan 2.2 and LTX 2.3. Both are very good, if you have enough VRAM to also use the necessary Loras.

LTX 2.3 is also able to create Sounds and speech and it keeps the style of the input image quite good. WAN 2.2 is overall the more versatile model, a bit more intelligent and prompt-adherent. But both are good.

Thanks for the reply!
I got a 5090 so I might have a chanze! I'll look it up!

 

[DamageLC]

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Did anyone really think this was a good idea?

 

[God Mask]

Worth the wait.

Bug be damned, the content is peak.

 

[Malapriapism]

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Did anyone really think this was a good idea?

Get gud it's ez. How are you not embarrassed?

 

[ta513]

To be frank, if you still complain about the ship minigame now that the big fat skip button is there and with the latest patch it has become super easy, you should really put work into your self esteem.
Or do you blame my game for doing do what games are about? A game should provide challenges to a player. For some those challenges are a bit on the tougher side. I don't play the Dark Souls games because for me it's not fun to die 17 times against the tutorial mob. You fail to successfully dock a ship. Nobody`s perfect. The difference is: Dark souls has no skip button, I built one in for you! Take the L and keep going, pal. You don't have to ace everything.

I dunno what else to do to make it easier for you. Even Wilmington is so easy now it almost hurts. You can press M and go for it! See how all these little bridges and landing stages are outside the red boxes? You can go right through them, do the full Schettino and get away with it! And who knows if i ever make it to the point where you really feel consequences of dodging this little minigame.

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Seeing this image makes me shake my head sadly at myself. I was stressing over the sandbars and shallows...

That being said, I never thought there was a problem with the minigame, and the little content you miss (the "yay you did it" sort of congratulatory screen) is hardly worth complaining about. Personally, I wish more games had minigames in them, especially if they have a skip button that is available if I get tired of it. If I had one complaint/concern, it would be not enough choices to make. That being said, still one of my favorite games currently. Great job!

 

[herot32]

I restarted a new game but now I seem to be stuck on the "which room do you want to go to?" screen with the cross-section of the boat. There's two options it lets me mouse-over but when I click on them nothing happens.

Is this a known bug? Can't seem to find it in the thread.

 

[ZDaGoat]

Yes this is a known bug that can occur if the game fails to load an old savegame and you then start a new game afterwards. In the current version, some important variables are not being initated correctly in that case which leads to the bug. I already fixed it, but the next update will take a few weeks before i release it.

A workaround that should help under Windows is to clear the game's folder (TheSevenSeas) in %AppData%\RenPy

Other platforms the same respective approach, wherever they store the local persistent Renpy game data and savegames.

Then you should be able to do a fresh start unaffected by this issue.

 

[herot32]

Yes this is a known bug that can occur if the game fails to load an old savegame and you then start a new game afterwards. In the current version, some important variables are not being initated correctly in that case which leads to the bug. I already fixed it, but the next update will take a few weeks before i release it.

A workaround that should help under Windows is to clear the game's folder (TheSevenSeas) in %AppData%\RenPy

Other platforms the same respective approach, wherever they store the local persistent Renpy game data and savegames.

Then you should be able to do a fresh start unaffected by this issue.

Thanks man, appreciate it.

 

[nem33]

I finally finished playing the update. There was actually a lot more content than I expected. Also, it was totally worth it to replay from the beginning since stuff was updated in earlier parts of the game.

I don't even know if I've seen all the stuff from the onboard tv channels or not. Every time I look at them, at least one new clip shows up in the feed.

Now for my hopefully constructive criticism:

Good stuff:
1. As stated, tons of new stuff.
2. The overall consistency of characters from scene to scene seems to be getting better (though still not perfect).
3. Plenty of animations including stuff other than lewd scenes. Non-lewd animations in an AVN are quite rare.

Stuff that could use improvement:
1. There are still some kind of jarring inconsistencies in character models. Maria specifically seems to have three totally different character models, and sometimes we switch between all three in the same scene.
2. The tone of the Seven Seas organization is inconsistent story-wise.

Spoiler

First the girls are getting recruited from orphanages, but it seems kind of voluntary. Later though, the crew starts engaging in mass kidnappings. If the organization is totally ok with the kidnappings, why even bother with the far more time-intensive and expensive façade of the orphanages? Just kidnap them too? If the organization wants to use the softer touch, stick with the orphanage grooming thing. We range all the way from girls being sold off as slaves to one girl being treated as a VIP princess.

3. Some of the young lolis look more like shrunken teen-agers. They are stated to be at quite a young age, but are then shown as being more developed than one would expect. They're still cute, but the proportions just seem off for their ages. When the girls have single digit ages, I expect to see more flat chests and less developed hips. That's personal preference I guess.
4. Voice levels in some of the animated sequences seemed off to me. Sometimes I could understand them, but other times, I couldn't make out a single word they said. I guess I could just turn up the volume for the entire game, but I would prefer that at a single setting, the dialogue is understandable.

Things I would like to see:
1. It's just a with list item.

Spoiler

There was this great setup for the Mexican strip club/brothel staffed entirely with lolis. Then we only got a couple still images of said club. I really want to see that green bikini girl from one of the pictures do a full strip-tease. I like dancing lolis, what can I say?

Ok, wall of text response complete. This is only meant as constructive criticism, and not as complaints. Why is the bad stuff section twice as long as the good stuff section? Because you don't need any help fixing the good stuff -- and there is plenty of it.

 

[BlackFanta]

Just finished the game, enjoyed it, huge update. The minigame is fine. I like the story. The AI work.. well we are still at the begining of what AI can do so it is ok and there was some peak content. I enjoyed the commercials on the tv. Congrats for trying to max out the consistency of the characters, must not be easy.

 

[BS3DX]

This game is Hot garbage, needs a skip mini games option, and the character designs and style changes all over the place. Lazy design.

 

[nem33]

This game is Hot garbage, needs a skip mini games option, and the character designs and style changes all over the place. Lazy design.

Every single mini-game is already skippable.

Exactly how much did you pay for this game again? Don't bother answering. I already know the answer is ZERO.

 

[ZDaGoat]

He would not be the first one to not recognize the "Call the tugs" button as a skip option, although it is briefly explained in the screen earlier.

Thanks for the input anyway @BS3DX, even though it's a bit on the rude side and a bit rushed yourself. I bet you didn't explore the TV broadcast function at all, it's a bit of a hidden gem, really.

Some just have other stylistic preferences or they are easier put off by remaining slightly inconsistent graphics than others. I will continue to improve the character consistency bit by bit.
I just would love to get more specific remarks like which graphic / animation was especially distracting to you. Need to prioritize and focus a bit and it seems my own quality control seems to let slide a few issues here and there.

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By the way, i just built in the FullScreen-Option for the TV Broadcast after many requested it. You can switch between small screen and full screen and back,

Two little remarks:
- the current clip will restart (this is required due to Renpy limitations on controlling video replay) and be replayed in the respective new mode
- Some clips are really low res (none of them is over 480p). So don't expect a 4K video please.

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[ZDaGoat]

I finally finished playing the update. There was actually a lot more content than I expected. Also, it was totally worth it to replay from the beginning since stuff was updated in earlier parts of the game.

I don't even know if I've seen all the stuff from the onboard tv channels or not. Every time I look at them, at least one new clip shows up in the feed.

Now for my hopefully constructive criticism:

Good stuff:
1. As stated, tons of new stuff.
2. The overall consistency of characters from scene to scene seems to be getting better (though still not perfect).
3. Plenty of animations including stuff other than lewd scenes. Non-lewd animations in an AVN are quite rare.

Stuff that could use improvement:
1. There are still some kind of jarring inconsistencies in character models. Maria specifically seems to have three totally different character models, and sometimes we switch between all three in the same scene.
2. The tone of the Seven Seas organization is inconsistent story-wise.

Spoiler

First the girls are getting recruited from orphanages, but it seems kind of voluntary. Later though, the crew starts engaging in mass kidnappings. If the organization is totally ok with the kidnappings, why even bother with the far more time-intensive and expensive façade of the orphanages? Just kidnap them too? If the organization wants to use the softer touch, stick with the orphanage grooming thing. We range all the way from girls being sold off as slaves to one girl being treated as a VIP princess.

3. Some of the young lolis look more like shrunken teen-agers. They are stated to be at quite a young age, but are then shown as being more developed than one would expect. They're still cute, but the proportions just seem off for their ages. When the girls have single digit ages, I expect to see more flat chests and less developed hips. That's personal preference I guess.
4. Voice levels in some of the animated sequences seemed off to me. Sometimes I could understand them, but other times, I couldn't make out a single word they said. I guess I could just turn up the volume for the entire game, but I would prefer that at a single setting, the dialogue is understandable.

Things I would like to see:
1. It's just a with list item.

Spoiler

There was this great setup for the Mexican strip club/brothel staffed entirely with lolis. Then we only got a couple still images of said club. I really want to see that green bikini girl from one of the pictures do a full strip-tease. I like dancing lolis, what can I say?

Ok, wall of text response complete. This is only meant as constructive criticism, and not as complaints. Why is the bad stuff section twice as long as the good stuff section? Because you don't need any help fixing the good stuff -- and there is plenty of it.

I wanted to take the time for a reply. Thanks for the ideas here and also the constructive feedback on things to improve.

I see the issue with the older-looking girls myself and i hope that i get a bit better at going around that. especially some of the earlier vids have a strong tendency towards bigger breasts. Looking forward to get more consistency with newer models, the current models are helping, especially my own trained Loras, but i hope in the future this will get even easier.
That said i like a combination of small budding breasts and totally flat chests, both are fine to me, but i would like to e more consistent in that. It can't be that a girl is introduced as a flatchest little girl and when it comes to a video of her, she suddenly mutates into C cup tier... Especially Maria has gone through quite some changes, and i really haven't cleaned up yet.

I will try to generate and add a little strip sequence introduction for the Mexican night club/brothel. Good idea. Maybe also a vision of Peter having fun with the girl that jumped at him.

For the Seven Seas organization and its different ways to recruit girls, i take your input as a challenge and I think i also need to give some answers in the game going forward, but let me explain a bit what i mean by that:
Actually, if a new major ship with space for hundreds of girls has to be filled, the orphanage recruitment is at its limits. Also different categories of girls are required: The Orphanage girls are very well trained and can be turned into full consent little harlots easily, blue banded girl material with very little ties to their homes, potential long term engagement on the ships.

The "abducted" girls have to be brainwashed a lot and some of them might end up homesick still. Many of them are unexperienced virgins, which is a huge plus for some VIPs, and not all of the VIPs care for consent. Some of the abducted girls might even be featured as prey in rape shows that haven't really been introduced yet, and depending on their resistance a high percentage of them may end up as redbanded girls, requiring much attention and also posing a security risk, so they are sold off to VIPs or other organizations quickly and their time on the ship is limited if they are not susceptible to the various brainwashing techniques. This is certainly one of the darker sides of the organization. It is not my intention to portrait the Seven Seas organization as having high moral standards while being slightly on the criminal side, what they do is highly immoral on many levels and by many standards. Exploring this deeper and deeper leads you to the redbanded girl faction's path, but i want to make it so that you can also try to ignore this and decide not to help them at uncovering the ship's dark secrets.