discussion NTR is not a dream, its a nightmare. Just say NO to NTR!

[gotmilk]

I don't like NTR but netori is one of my favorite genres. Too bad there aren't that many great games that are netori focused.

 

[MysticKat77]

NTR is truly vile. We must unite to put it in it's place. Quite ironically the similar threads under this, the first post is NTR Series. I fear we may be too late and the corruption to widespread to end this plague.

 

[Bleacher58]

Personally, I don't like netorare or netorase, but netori is already a thing. The bad thing is that there aren't many games that are fully netori. It's the only game based on female infidelity that I like.

 

[ACBandit]

I do not remotely enjoy any form that is marked as "NTR." Just personally, it makes my skin crawl, but I also think to each their own. The deep hatred on the thread is deep. I am not that deep about it, but it does piss me off when a VN tries to dance around it. The "If you don't see it, then don't worry about it." No, if it's in the story, then its a problem for me.

 

[IJustWantGames]

Honestly I hate the Idea of NTR lol, it ruins stories for me. I played Family Faring without knowing what it was about and now I'm disappointed it's not my kind of game, the models for the daughters were well done and their personalities were likeable, not just braindead "yes daddy" girls(mostly).
Flashback NTR is ok for me, it helps build a setting and hype up a tense encounter, including if it's abuse NTR with the MC, but just straight up "Here's my daughter have a good time fella's" makes my stomach turn.

 

[Azraelith]

Netori is honestly top tier, the others are... an acquired taste that I've thankfully never acquired.

 

[Leuchtmittel]

Netori is honestly top tier, the others are... an acquired taste that I've thankfully never acquired.

Glad to see I'm not alone. Netori can be so hot

 

[gyrople]

I'm not a fan of NTR either but I think some Netori can be ok. I don't go out of my way to find it though.

 

[User_198006]

i just find ntr disgusting and i know a lot of people like it but i just think that its gross.

 

[User_198006]

i just find ntr disgusting and i know a lot of people like it but i just think that its gross.

but i love netori, i know its hypocritical but it is what it is.

 

[Icaruslee]

there's an argument to be made about NTR being a vehicle for revenge fantasy porn. go get cucked on purpose then get mad about it lol! its good for victim complexes...?

 

[ACBandit]

Like others, I like Netori, but no other form of NTR. When I speak on NTR, I am always speaking on the other forms. To each their own, but I can't stand it. When I first started playing AVNS, I didn't know the vernacular (we all have to learn in someway) and got incredibly frustrated when I would like a game and then NTR would popped up. Some AVNS with great stories have been skipped for that one reason. I also wish there were more Netori games.

 

[therealbatman6]

This is one heavily divisive topic lol
as for my own opinion on the three types of NTR
Netori is based 99% of the time. Just leave the happy couple alone.
Netorase can be hot if done well, but it really depends on context.
Netorare... well, it exists. I don't hate it, and I can find it hot, but holy hell does it usually devolve into misery porn.

 

[olala3]

Netorare - sh*t
Netorase - sh*t
Netori - ok
Yes, I'm an egoist

 

[Rion89]

Eh... It's only a nightmare for the one getting the cuck.
As for the one doing the cuck it's like dream come true, especially if it's incest

 

[WLMS]

As for the one doing the cuck it's like dream come true

Depends.
I wouldn't enjoy knowingly cucking someone.
I might be an insane, drug addict, degenerate perv, but I still have standards.

Better if everyone's open about what happening, and also ok with it. Way more fun that way in my opinion

 

[Erkunes]

Netorare always

 

[Jantio1999]

Except for DP, I don't really like all the NTR variants either. But then I'm also a bit weary of all those harem games, where MC fucks every f*cking girl, goes to an island and fucks another 100 new girls, when his main LI is still at home. Not only that, but come on man, how the F should I remember what all their names are?

I mean first girl, 5 updates (just a number), getting to know her, getting your first kiss, getting to see her naked and have your way with her, and then every new update we get added 5 new girls. (Also just a number). It's just trend I see with lots of those harem games... (In this case I was thinking about Nephilim, but even a game a Troubled Legacy, really has no story anymore except of fucking 5 new girls in the last update.)

I have to say a game like What a legend!, does it really great, 1 girl every update, and they really make you love her. I never thought I would like the orc, but after the last update I loved her too. I would suggest, that the way to go. (Of course having a good story, will also make the update waits very very long, yeh that's life, it sucks!).

If I don't like to get to know them, I would just go to pornhub, and watch girls get fucked probably...

 

[fakeaccount]

It's interesting the reaction everyone has to NTR. It's like it carries over from IRL to fiction so closely, yet incest, something a lot of people find repulsive IRL doesn't carry over to fiction and can easily be looked at as arrousing in a fictional context.

 

[Quetz]

It's interesting the reaction everyone has to NTR. It's like it carries over from IRL to fiction so closely, yet incest, something a lot of people find repulsive IRL doesn't carry over to fiction and can easily be looked at as arrousing in a fictional context.

A few arguments:

• Incest probably isn't that big of a real-life kink, all things considered.
• In many stories, incest elements are a shortcut to link characters' histories together. It makes the characters and story more relatable than playing as the pizza delivery guy who gets fucked.
• The repulsion of real-life incest is part nature, part nurture, but fiction bypasses this. We haven't grown up with these characters. The only thing triggering any taboo response is the awareness of the fictional situation, and that's more akin to the reaction we'd have if we heard about other people being in an incestuous relationship. There's a degree of separation.
  • Take
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    as an example. Some people grew up seeing her as an 8-year-old act in The Nanny, and years later saw her fuck on Californication. For many, the connection to her and the taboo they're feeling there is more than what incest in an AVN triggers.
  • The psychological disgust response doesn't exist in adults toward younger family members. It develops before the age of 8-9 toward people in close proximity.
  • Incest porn often has clear and enthusiastic consent, bypassing the taboo aspect even more.
• NTR isn't that big of a kink either, certainly not the cucking part.
  • Netorare: being cheated on, lied to... Having your trust broken or feeling emasculated or humiliated because you weren't enough. Those are basic emotions that are hardwired into us.
  • Netori: If your MC is the one doing it, it's a power fantasy. You're better than the guy she was with, and she's now yours. This too is very primal.
  • Netorase: Sexual gratification from seeing your girl plowed by another man. With or without the humiliation that's often a part of it. With respect, I'd argue that this is more of a mental condition, because it goes entirely against nature and evolution.
    We evolved to trigger happy hormones when we're the best, not when someone tells us we're useless.
    That said, there is an argument for living vicariously or letting the woman get their physical needs met if the man can't (e.g., due to a medical condition).
• I think there's a correlation between FemDom and netorase in this context. Both require the man to surrender his own wants and needs to certain degrees. The thing they value most is that their partner is pleased. Either in general or with them.
  This often gets couched as overcoming jealousy or as inner strength to put one's own ego aside... To each their own.

Personally, I like netorare when it's part of a narrative. A story about someone who recovers after being cheated on is worthwhile to tell. Netori isn't for me, because I can't respect a woman who wants to have it both ways. If she wants my MC, she can break up with her partner first.

And, more as an aside, keep in mind that having a kink doesn't mean someone is living the lifestyle. A woman might be eager to submit in bed but could be fierce to deal with in everyday life.