NTR is not a dream, its a nightmare. Just say NO to NTR!

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This is a thread for those that do not like NTR. Please note if you are a fan of the genre that's fine but do not come into the thread and troll people or start arguments. Bashing of other members for or against NTR will not be tolerated. Talking about a game or dev is fine as long as you are not bashing them. I personally am not a fan of the genre but as a moderator here I have to remain open minded and not judgmental of those that do like it. So please be adults and have peaceful discussions in this thread. Below are the three versions of NTR.

A Japanese porn acronym that has 3 different meaning depending on the porn content and your pov

#1 Netorare = get cucked without consent, a betrayal cucking, a cruel cheating of your partner where he/she might leave you for a better lover
#2 Netori = you steal someone's wife/gf/girl
#3 Netorase = plain cuckolding, cucking with consent, you are willing to be cucked and she has your blessing to cheat on you

Note: if the girl is the cuck, you may add "reverse" to all of the above categories of NTR
Ex. Reverse Netorare
#1 NTR = She cheated on me and I wept, she loved my pathetic sobbing, she broke up with me after finding a better guy
#2 NTR = I stole Eric's girl, he saw us in his house having sex, Eric wept in front of us having sex but we did not care, that was 3 years ago
#3 NTR = I told my girl to cuck me and now I am a pro cuck, my girl loves to cuck me and I love it too, I'm very happy with my cuckold life
 
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There is also a discord server as well for those not wanting to speak up here.
 
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Waddup, similar threads thing down there it's pretty ironic considering this thread title and possible comments. :unsure:
 

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Ok, the way I see it there are several issues here. NOT the definitions, but the use and response to this issue.

Before beginning I wish it to be clearly understood that I do NOT like such content and can ONLY make comments based on my personal experience.

In my experience the WORST situation seems to be the 'SURPRISE' addition of such content. It is disturbing to play (and enjoy) a game and suddenly have a scene appear that has this content (especially after a long period of development). If a developer CLEARLY indicates that it will happen from the beginning, then SOME issues MIGHT be avoided. This of course depends on the game. If we play for and extended time without this content and it suddenly appears in a way that contradicts all the previous events, then it is a disrupting factor that can cause a problem. On the other hand, if players KNOW that content will eventually be added, and the STORY includes things that indicate it is going to occur then there would be no 'Surprise' and disruption is lessened. Personally, I avoid games with content that I dislike (I'm playing for FUN) and to have a sudden disruption to my enjoyment often means an END to my playing (this is NOT limited to adult games).

The BEST way of dealing with bringing in content that MIGHT be an issue that I have seen/experienced was in the Game 'Midlife Crisis'. The Creator took the time to create MULTPLE versions of a scene and gave CLEARLY marked choices of what would happen based on the players choices. The players could see what each choice would include and decide what they wanted to see or avoid. THIS is an example of including a variety of content while avoiding the WORST of the problems. Unfortunately, this DOES increase the time required to develop the game. This can also reduce problems with the 'Surprise' factor. If the content is able to be avoided in this way MANY will simply play what they enjoy and ignore that the other options even exist.

As stated above the 'Surprise' situation of including content (NOT limited to NTR) is perhaps the WORST. If a game suddenly presents a situation that does not fit with all that has happened before then it causes disruption and serious problems. A NON-NTR example might be urination. If a game has never had that content or any discussion of it, then to suddenly have a scene appear with this does NOT fit and will cause issues for players REGARDLESS of their feelings about the BASE 'kink'. For those that dislike what has happened there is disappointment (possibly anger) and often the result is abandoning a game. Fans of the 'kink' may wonder why it has appeared so suddenly and might be confused as to the purpose. There may ALSO be concern about what other new events might be included later that are disliked and players on either side might, again. abandon the game.

A second (and just as serious) issue when discussing NTR content is the problem (on both sides) of people who appear to request (demand) that a game be changed to fit their personal desires. MANY times, I have seen discussions of a game be DESTROYED by the appearance of someone talking about how much BETTER a game would be if something (NTR) was included. As I said I AVOID this content so do NOT know if people go into discussions about games that include it and request (demand) it's removal, but doubt it happens anywhere near the same frequency. In part this can be reduced with CLEAR information about what a game will include. Of course, this is NOT a guarantee, as I have encountered (IDIOTS) people that demand NTR in games where the creator has declared from the beginning that they HATE the content, and it will NEVER be included. Sadly, there are people (IDIOTS) that just want to cause problems and watch everything be destroyed for 'fun'.

Yes, I am (somewhat) guilty of making requests for content to be included. THANKFULLY, people seem to understand that I am (MOSTLY) being silly and trying to get people to LAUGH. Yes, I do like to bring up Chocolate Chip Cookies (Tiny Tina is a GODDESS), and several creators have added humorous scenes playing with my requests. Perhaps the most entertaining situation was with the second chapter of 'TIMESTAMPS' where the developers added a 'Moose and maybe a Squirrell' to the introduction because of my silly comments about the first chapter. For those who wish to experience this you need to name your MC 'Moose' or 'Shiva' (I don't remember which at the moment). I have added this section to show that I am willing to accept my own (silly) guilt.

The last thing I wish to include here is the DIFFICULT issue (debate) as to whether LESBIAN content in a MALE MC game should be considered NTR. I am unsure about this as I CAN see a situation where I would consider it to be a problem. As an example, let's consider a scene where the MC (player) sees two ladies having (SEXY) fun. Depending on what occurs in the scene it may or may NOT be the NASTY three letters. The situation is difficult because there are MANY factors to be considered. Are both ladies Love interests?? Has the MC previously accepted/declared their desire for such events?? Is one of the ladies a rival for the MC?? Is the MC invited to join?? These and other things must be considered before we can say yes or no in answer to the question of what is happening. From my experience MOST developers seem to consider these situations to be a way to expand their story and the issue of NTR does NOT arise. I CAN see that problems could be created, so I am unsure if any single answer really works for these events. Sorry thinking about this is making my head hurt. :)

Well, I'm done with this topic for now. I'll be interested to see the thoughts of others on this topic and HOPE that people will avoid the NASTY fights that can occur when discussing this topic.

Oh, @SeveredRealms you are CRUEL for MAKING me create this wall of text. Because you did this, I DEMAND that you add Chocolate Chip Cookies to your game. :)

Just some thoughts.
 
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I personally do not like NTR. The vibes I get from NTR fans is that NTR is for beta's and cucks, and I hate betas and cucks. I don't make NTR content no1 and no3. I have thought of making a game content where you the player bashes on beta males and steal their girls.
I've seen comments from NTR fans on Fuck95 to see that they get pretty demanding about NTR content to the point they get toxic if they are not given that content.
 
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I'm not much for NTR because most NTR is just the same old same old token black dudes - token ugly fat bastards - token ugly old prunes - token I got hit by the ugly tree dudes. But for me there's an exception to that and that is if the person doing it is a female. If it's a female doing it then I'm fine with it as female+female is hot and you rarely see it. I also don't find girls in a harem having fun with other girls in the harem as NTR. Hell I don't even usually have any problem if they want to have fun with other girls that are not in the harem.
 
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All great arguments and opinions so far folks. Keep em coming. I know everyone has their own "versions" of what's considered NTR to them. Some another "man" so much as flirts with a Li and people lose their minds. Girl on girl..... yea that's another sore point. As for my games I am working on no other man will ever sexually touch any of the Li's and the player never has to worry about losing one. Lesbian content will be in my games to a extent... That extent is it will not happen unless the MC is part of it i.e. threesomes.
The girls will mess with each other now and then and NO NOT every single girl will be BI in my games. Take Lily she is opening the floodgates and wanting to try everything she missed out on including messing with other women with the MC. Kahlan however might watch but when she finally gets with the MC is one on one only for her.
As I said in my OP I try to be open minded. But give me a game I am enjoying and all of a sudden out of the blue a dev throws us under the buss with unannounced out of the blue NTR.... Yup I will say shit. Worse yet a game like "The Builder" WTF bullshit was that... I am making a harem game where you the MC knock up a entire village. . . . . Ohhh but wait wait.... we need a antagonist that's already creampied and knocked up one of the main Li's.... Devs initial reply .. uhhh what what I don't understand what's wrong why you all going nuts on me....o_O
I could go on but lets see what you all come up with as well lmao.
P.S. I will have my wife get going on making those cookies. If I try all you would end up with is charcoal... :ROFLMAO:?????
 
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I personally do not like NTR. The vibes I get from NTR fans is that NTR is for beta's and cucks, and I hate betas and cucks. I don't make NTR content no1 and no3. I have thought of making a game content where you the player bashes on beta males and steal their girls.
I've seen comments from NTR fans on Fuck95 to see that they get pretty demanding about NTR content to the point they get toxic if they are not given that content.
At this point i think Fuck95 zone should change the name for Furry/Futa NTR Zone. I read allot of thread there and its crazy how these people demand that or are willing to play has the guy who is being a pro cuck willing...
That beyond my imagination.
 
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I wouldn't call it a "nightmare". When in games, I mean. It doesn't bother me, if a game has NTR. But if there's an option to disable NTR, I disable it. Not because I hate it but because I'm selfish and I want all the women in the game for myself only. I like it being the only man in the harem. If you've played "Serenity" or "Harem Hotel", then you'd know what I mean. :D
IRL I've been Netorared 1.3. It's not pleasant but... there's plenty of fish in the ocean. :p
 
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I only enjoy the corruption part of NTR, not the cucking or sharing. It's a matter of perspective.
Sometimes there are great NTR games, that feel natural in the overall plot. But those games are very rare.
 
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I don't want to start an argument, but I genuinely wonder what do you guys think of Female protagonist games where the Fem MC is fucking multiple men. I really wonder if your feelings of dislike of NTR come solely from the projection into the main character and having a Fem MC doesn't trigger that because you don't project the same way as Male MC.

Again I want to reiterate I'm not judging or looking to start an argument, I simply don't understand your perspective and wonder if you guys have ever looked deeper.
 

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I have tried to play a couple FMC game and as a guy just cant wrap my head around it. As someone thats very dominant and my male brain just cant see through a females point of view
 
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I have tried to play a couple FMC game and as a guy just cant wrap my head around it. As someone thats very dominant and my male brain just cant see through a females point of view

So in essence your enjoyment of VN is tied to the fact you're projecting yourself as the MC. You're not just puppeteering him, for the duration you are him. Just an observation btw. I just like pushing characters (Male, female, futa, tran) into the most degenerate sexual situation possible. If it means push MC's mother into fucking MC's friend/bully/whatever then so be it.
 
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I've made enough arguments about this crap.

NTR hate belongs in the real world, but this is a site for sex games. it's not that I prefer sharing scenes but that they bring a lot more content to the table. there's so much you can do with a single dick, so after you've seen sex scenes of 1 man and 1 woman, why not gangbang that woman? you think I'm after Loli and incest content because I enjoy it that much? no... it's just plots we don't often get in sex games. and people will always want what they don't have (in a healthy manner respectfuly, I never wanted to fuck my own family or a kid in the real world, and I never will. you need to be a really fucked up person for that and luckly I'm sane, or at least I believe I am sane. maybe too much, because I get annoyed when I see younger people dress like whores, sometimes I even yell something not nice at the stupid parents. nothing worse than seeing an 11 year old girl dressed like a grown up, just looks creepy man) but here people treat NTR as if these characters were real, like there's a connection, a real one.

I don't like scat content, but if I see a piss scene I'm not gonna freak out and quit an entire game because of it. but those NTR hates are like that, and that tells me they are fucked up in the head. because again... it's just a fucking video game, and if you're so effected by it, it means your real world life isn't that great (this isn't mass effect games where you gain emotional connection to characters, this are just characters in sex games that exist to be fucked and enjoy it, and say what you want about gangbangs, it doesn't get more excited than that) 99% of healthy men in the real world would refuse to share their women with other men. it's the porn and crap that turned many men into weak cucked or devient idiots. but this is a video game, I don't wanna hear any "macho man" pretending he's offended because his fake woman got together with another man. it's not cheating, it's a fucking video game. if any man here is such an alpha man he's actually offended then he wouldn't be here in the first place. people who can get sex don't visit sites like these, not unless they are also addicted to porn. and so whenever I hear "omg NTR I refuse to play/support this game" it just shows me there's a weak sensitive virgin on the other side. and I don't mean to offend anyone but that's just logical conclusion on my part. it's one thing to dislike the NTR genre, it's another to hate it with a passion and cancel an entire sex game because of a couple of NTR scenes LOL...
 
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I've made enough arguments about this crap.

NTR hate belongs in the real world, but this is a site for sex games. it's not that I prefer sharing scenes but that they bring a lot more content to the table. there's so much you can do with a single dick, so after you've seen sex scenes of 1 man and 1 woman, why not gangbang that woman? you think I'm after Loli and incest content because I enjoy it that much? no... it's just plots we don't often get in sex games. and people will always want what they don't have (in a healthy manner respectfuly, I never wanted to fuck my own family or a kid in the real world, and I never will. you need to be a really fucked up person for that and luckly I'm sane, or at least I believe I am sane. maybe too much, because I get annoyed when I see younger people dress like whores, sometimes I even yell something not nice at the stupid parents. nothing worse than seeing an 11 year old girl dressed like a grown up, just looks creepy man) but here people treat NTR as if these characters were real, like there's a connection, a real one.

I don't like scat content, but if I see a piss scene I'm not gonna freak out and quit an entire game because of it. but those NTR hates are like that, and that tells me they are fucked up in the head. because again... it's just a fucking video game, and if you're so effected by it, it means your real world life isn't that great (this isn't mass effect games where you gain emotional connection to characters, this are just characters in sex games that exist to be fucked and enjoy it, and say what you want about gangbangs, it doesn't get more excited than that) 99% of healthy men in the real world would refuse to share their women with other men. it's the porn and crap that turned many men into weak cucked or devient idiots. but this is a video game, I don't wanna hear any "macho man" pretending he's offended because his fake woman got together with another man. it's not cheating, it's a fucking video game. if any man here is such an alpha man he's actually offended then he wouldn't be here in the first place. people who can get sex don't visit sites like these, not unless they are also addicted to porn. and so whenever I hear "omg NTR I refuse to play/support this game" it just shows me there's a weak sensitive virgin on the other side. and I don't mean to offend anyone but that's just logical conclusion on my part. it's one thing to dislike the NTR genre, it's another to hate it with a passion and cancel an entire sex game because of a couple of NTR scenes LOL...
I treat it like this...I fucking hate pineapple on pizza. To me, why would you ruin a perfectly good pizza by putting pineapple on it. Lucky for me, when someone makes a pizza with pineapple on it, theres 200 other pizzas I can order and eat instead.

That is NTR for me. If you want to put NTR in a game, good for people who want to consume that. Me? I'll pick one of the other 200 games to try instead.

And if you say its a meat lovers pizza, and you put pineapple on it without telling me and I bite into that, im going to tell you how shitty of a pizza that is and order something else. If you cut up the pineapple into tiny bits that "you cant even tell are on the pizza" just to try adding it on, I'm going to tell you how shitty of a pizza that is as you can still taste it, and then order a new one.
 
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I treat it like this...I fucking hate pineapple on pizza. To me, why would you ruin a perfectly good pizza by putting pineapple on it. Lucky for me, when someone makes a pizza with pineapple on it, theres 200 other pizzas I can order and eat instead.

That is NTR for me. If you want to put NTR in a game, good for people who want to consume that. Me? I'll pick one of the other 200 games to try instead.

And if you say its a meat lovers pizza, and you put pineapple on it without telling me and I bite into that, im going to tell you how shitty of a pizza that is and order something else. If you cut up the pineapple into tiny bits that "you cant even tell are on the pizza" just to try adding it on, I'm going to tell you how shitty of a pizza that is as you can still taste it, and then order a new one.
if the game is filled with NTR then sure, but if it has a few scenes of NTR that you can't press "skip" then that's over the top to me. I don't quit games because someone pee on someone else, that's insane... no one should get connected to a sex game character on a level where they actually feel cheated because a character fucked someone who wasn't the mc.
 
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