discussion NTR is not a dream, its a nightmare. Just say NO to NTR!

[Deaufosse]

This is exactly what I think.
Imagine reading a book, and half way through it reading about how the protagonist kissed a dog and saying "that does it" while closing the book and leaving it forever One must respect the author's idea because it's their story.

"Harry sprinted through the dark, echoing corridors of Hogwarts, his wand raised high and his heart pounding in his chest. Spells whizzed past him, narrowly missing his head, as he dodged and weaved through the chaos. He could hear the sinister laughter of Death Eaters behind him, closing in. Bursting through a set of double doors, he found himself in the courtyard, where the full moon cast an eerie glow over the stone walls. Harry skidded to a halt, his eyes widening as he saw a massive shadow looming over him. Bracing for an attack, he raised his wand, only to pause as he realized the shadow belonged to a scruffy, brown dog.

The dog wagged its tail, looking up at Harry with big, hopeful eyes. Without thinking, Harry crouched down, his fingers scratching behind the dog’s ears, feeling the tension in his shoulders melt away as the dog leaned into his touch, oblivious to the battle raging around them. They kissed, the dog's floppy tongue exploring the roof of Harry's mouth. He was shocked at first, by the intimacy of the act, thinking, 'This is snogging. I'm snogging a dog!' then the sensations took hold, and he was lost in the passion.

Harry pulled back and wiped off his mouth and chin, "God, I hope you're an Animagus. Not some regular mutt."

Suddenly, a statue of a great Goblin Wars general exploded. The dog shot off, the moment lost. Harry scrabbled to his feet and ran on, narrowly avoiding the killing curse flying over his shoulder."

 

[Uthuriel]

Harry sprinted through the dark, echoing corridors of Hogwarts, his wand raised high and his heart pounding in his chest.
Spells whizzed past him, narrowly missing his head, as he dodged and weaved through the chaos.
He could hear the sinister laughter of Death Eaters behind him, closing in. Bursting through a set of double doors, he found himself in the courtyard, where the full moon cast an eerie glow over the stone walls.
Suddenly, a statue of a great Goblin Wars general exploded. Harry ran on, narrowly avoiding the killing curse flying over his shoulder."

There fixed it for you.
Also please stay away from animal shelters.

 

[Harry180]

If it's avoidable, I'm good. same goes for futa/trans/gay scenes, If I have a choice, i don't care.

 

[Oink]

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No we fucking don't...
Neither the story nor the dev...

Respect the author's idea and liking the idea are two diferent things, is the authors right to write whatever they think fits the story they want to tell, but is so as well the audience right to decide if the agree with that or not.

That also avoids the statement regarding authors that specifically tell they will not include it only to include it later anyways. The exit to that I can think of is as Deaufosse metion, and is when there are diference in concept between the author and the audience but that only leaves the need off clear tagging to avoid that kind of discussions.

Yes, indeed, they are different. Respecting, in this case, means try not to change, which is sadly what some devs experience: pressure from the audience because they want to see this or the don't want to see that.
If I ever met Tarantino at a party, I don't think I'd be telling him what to change about his movies.
As for liking, every one has their preferences. There's no one audience, there are many individuals. Sure, you can group people, but as Deaufosse was saying, some people consider NTR even if it's just mentioned. On the other side of the spectrum, we'd have people who think it's only NTR if a LI cheats on the MC "on camera" and only if the LI has stopped intimacy with the MC.
Many definitions, many preferences. It's impossible to cater to them all.

 

[lewdroysucks]

Cant stand NTR and Cheating ion general, its an instant turn off for me!

 

[lomegalul]

I don't mind if it's well done tbh, but its often very poorly written

 

[london23]

I don’t exclude games with NTR so as not to miss worthwhile content
but NTR doesn’t attract me in any way, unlike sharing

 

[daddy-s]

As a person with a high level of empathy, the kind of guy that feels for characters and what happens to them, I hate NTR. I avoid games that are unavoidable but what I hate the most are devs that use every excuse in the book to try smear the lines, "its not NTR because *insert excuse here" these guys will never get any support from me and I will point it out every time I see it, this is a dev trying to pull the wool over my eyes, fuck those guys. Many times I have been told "its just a game, these are just pixels whats the problem" these people dont seem to understand that seeing someone be betrayed, cheated on, used and abused is just not fun for many. When I watch a movie or read a good book I feel sad for the family's loss, I feel joy for the underdog taking the W, I also feel the pain of a loved one treating someone like shit and betraying them, this is not enjoyable so I dont play. When the mc is onboard with it and he does not care about sharing his girls or about his girls in general I still do, so it changes nothing.

I also dislike the cam girls, onlyfans, prostitute li's, unavoidable lesbian li's,(sometimes I am fine with it, side girls etc other times I hate it like when its my favorite LI or someone really close to mc) unavoidable scene's(sure sometimes I would have picked the option anyway but being forced into a li I dont like can ruin a VN for me). I am also not a fan of devs that try to tell me what I should like or not through mc's thoughts let me decide who I find attractive or what I enjoy.

 

[A.K.A78]

If we, as a society, would truly understand and respect what "To each their own" means, things would go a lot better.
There is nothing inherently wrong about being promiscuous, although to me, there is something wrong about breaking an exclusivity commitment (breaking trust).
We must understand and accept that some people want to have a monogamous relationship, while others do not, the same way that some people want kids and some do not.

The rest of what was in my comment of the 2 lines you picked, pretty much states what is wrong with it in actual life.
Nothing inherently wrong about being promiscuous is in theory correct, however theory and the factual statistics and reality of what is going on are different things.
You are talking about a society that states what they mean, think and then do.
NTR in real life usually ends with this.

30% of Men: Not the Father?​

A quick online search gives frighteningly alarming figures; many articles claim that as many as 30% of men are unknowingly raising another man’s child. This would mean that out of a class of 60 students, 20 of them are growing up calling the wrong man dad.

Where did this 30% figure come from?​

This is an often a misunderstood statistic provided by some paternity test labs regarding the percentage paternity tests with a ‘not the father’ result.
Most paternity test labs report that about 1/3 of their paternity tests have a ‘negative’ result. Of all the possible fathers who take a paternity test, about 32% are not the biological father.
But remember, this is 1/3 of men who have a reason to take a paternity test - not 1/3 of all men. That is a huge difference!

So that means that NUMBER is only of the men that already think they may not be the father.
Most MEN don't have a clue. The clueless men only find out because of circumstance like a medical issue: organ donor testing for a transplant, immune decease, bone marrow, blood work
or simply because of doing something as fun a myheritage . com... Lets see if we have family somewhere...
Some kids find out themselves in school having some questions for mommy when they get home because the blood types they learned about that can mix don't match what daddy and mommy have.
You can just google about this topic of kids finding out themselves and there are plenty of tv shows about it as well.
So whether you look at it from a Scientific point of view (,Former and current lovers DNA added to the woman's DNA,) , a Males Perspective or just the statistical facts.

NTR and being promiscuous is always wrong.

 

[User_58844]

I understand why people don´t like NTR - I´ve got a few tags that usually tells me not to bother with the game - I´m however always surprised how personal it becomes to some. Don´t think any other tga quiet stir the same emotions.

 

[ORodimus]

NO to NTR​

 

[A.K.A78]

From the Dev perspective, you gotta realize that so many people have their own definition of NTR and how limiting that can be. (I have a whole rant about it a page back) I'll never straight-up cuck my MC, but when I cross someone's personal line on NTR they throw a shit fit. These girls might be your waifu, but they're the dev's characters, and we're trying to tell a story.

And you're complaining about a game adding NTR 5 updates later? Do you know how much time and creativity went into those five updates? You're writing off months of someone's work all because of one scene. Again, do you know how constraining that is as a creator?

Don't care,,,You can feel restricted or however you feel as a dev.
if i make a movie and you are sitting in the audience and it says family friendly and you sit there with your kiddo's,,, BAM halfway in and for 3 minutes straight with a pause then 5 more minutes HARDCORE GANGBANG PORN.. or how about some snuff scenes.. brain matter going all directions in slow motion.
You would loose your fucking mind... right... You really think you would care about all the time, money i spend on that first 30 to 45 minutes of movie and all the people that worked on it.
HELL NO.

It is the simple fact that it is there... WE don't want to see it PERIOD... state it if it is there or if you are gonna add it later as a future tag ..
The people that are extreme in what is and what is not NTR are gonna complain either way. There is no way around that if you write ntr scenes .. So if you add some,,, EXPLAIN IT.. Say what kind it is cause there is 2 much that falls under NTR.
That gives us the choice. Most of us will never play your game. I don't think i need to explain again to you that most NTR games have tags that go with NTR games that are A HELL NO to most of ntr haters as well.
But at least wee have the choice then.
Add it without stating it will make US loose our fucking minds and as a bare minimum complain on the page and block you as a gamedev.

 

[Oink]

The rest of what was in my comment of the 2 lines you picked, pretty much states what is wrong with it in actual life.
Nothing inherently wrong about being promiscuous is in theory correct, however theory and the factual statistics and reality of what is going on are different things.
You are talking about a society that states what they mean, think and then do.
NTR in real life usually ends with this.

30% of Men: Not the Father?​

A quick online search gives frighteningly alarming figures; many articles claim that as many as 30% of men are unknowingly raising another man’s child. This would mean that out of a class of 60 students, 20 of them are growing up calling the wrong man dad.

Where did this 30% figure come from?​

This is an often a misunderstood statistic provided by some paternity test labs regarding the percentage paternity tests with a ‘not the father’ result.
Most paternity test labs report that about 1/3 of their paternity tests have a ‘negative’ result. Of all the possible fathers who take a paternity test, about 32% are not the biological father.
But remember, this is 1/3 of men who have a reason to take a paternity test - not 1/3 of all men. That is a huge difference!

So that means that NUMBER is only of the men that already think they may not be the father.
Most MEN don't have a clue. The clueless men only find out because of circumstance like a medical issue: organ donor testing for a transplant, immune decease, bone marrow, blood work
or simply because of doing something as fun a myheritage . com... Lets see if we have family somewhere...
Some kids find out themselves in school having some questions for mommy when they get home because the blood types they learned about that can mix don't match what daddy and mommy have.
You can just google about this topic of kids finding out themselves and there are plenty of tv shows about it as well.
So whether you look at it from a Scientific point of view (,Former and current lovers DNA added to the woman's DNA,) , a Males Perspective or just the statistical facts.

NTR and being promiscuous is always wrong.

I get you don't like NTR, but this is waaaaaaay off.
First of all "a quick online search" is not a source of information you (or I, or anybody) should trust.
But to continue within this path, if a lab reports that 30% of their tests report a negative (no relation) result, it makes me think of the reasons behind someone getting tested. And one of the main reasons I can think of, is someone claiming I am the father of X and I don't think I am. I doubt people do otherwise, it's not like I'm sitting here commenting in lewdcorner and all of a sudden I think: hmmmm... maybe my dad isn't my dad, better go for a paternity test.

What I'm trying to say is that if everybody got tested systematically and there's a great percentage of negatives, that could mean something. But people get tested because their paternity is being challenged, not because everything is normal and why not do it.

Same way would happen if you read statistics of labs who test STDs. Let's imagine 80% positives. OMG we live in a world of STDs! Promiscuity and loose people are to blame! Well no, take it easy... people who *think* they might have something are the main individuals who get tested, probably looked up the symptoms they are having and decided to get tested. Guess what, they probably do have an STD.

Also caps and big sized letters may convince and alarm some people but I'm not one of them

 

[A.K.A78]

I have no idea why you'd mix fiction and real life. Do you also stop watching a movie if the protagonist gets cheated on?

Completely agree.
Porn is also a great way to watch (and to a lesser extent, experience) things that you wouldn't do (or can't do) in real life.
For instance, I love the game "Good Girl, Gone Bad". As I'll never be able to be Ashley, I can enjoy her adventures.
I get some people don't like certain things in fiction (violence, for instance), so everybody is free to choose what they want to watch, listen to or play, but to utterly reject everything that has NTR just because it has NTR is a little much.

First ... Yes i don't watch movies with cheating... It is usually some stupid chick flick that somehow thins that it is romantic to leave a partner on their wedding or cheat on them.. somehow no matter what the person does the guy is usually the bad guy.
Very few movie portray reality and if they did ,, i don't want to watch that either as a fun time.

Second,, you are either skipping everything but the lewd scenes or are never immersed in a story ,, which is actually the point of watching/reading/playing.
The simple fact you say you play games with a girl MC explains a lot. As a hetero sexual male you can never enjoy her adventures,,, that would mean you are thinking you are Ashley in the game ?
That is a Oxymoron in itself. I don't need to explain that to you if you can't see what is wrong with that.

 

[Oink]

First ... Yes i don't watch movies with cheating... It is usually some stupid chick flick that somehow thins that it is romantic to leave a partner on their wedding or cheat on them.. somehow no matter what the person does the guy is usually the bad guy.
Very few movie portray reality and if they did ,, i don't want to watch that either as a fun time.

Second,, you are either skipping everything but the lewd scenes or are never immersed in a story ,, which is actually the point of watching/reading/playing.
The simple fact you say you play games with a girl MC explains a lot. As a hetero sexual male you can never enjoy her adventures,,, that would mean you are thinking you are Ashley in the game ?
That is a Oxymoron in itself. I don't need to explain that to you if you can't see what is wrong with that.

So you are telling me you are watching a movie and someone gets cheated on, and you stop watching the movie? Turn it off and go do other things? What happens when you are listening to a song and they mention cheating, do you turn it off as well?

And I don't think you can tell me what I can or can't enjoy.

 

[A.K.A78]

I get you don't like NTR, but this is waaaaaaay off.
First of all "a quick online search" is not a source of information you (or I, or anybody) should trust.
But to continue within this path, if a lab reports that 30% of their tests report a negative (no relation) result, it makes me think of the reasons behind someone getting tested. And one of the main reasons I can think of, is someone claiming I am the father of X and I don't think I am. I doubt people do otherwise, it's not like I'm sitting here commenting in lewdcorner and all of a sudden I think: hmmmm... maybe my dad isn't my dad, better go for a paternity test.

What I'm trying to say is that if everybody got tested systematically and there's a great percentage of negatives, that could mean something. But people get tested because their paternity is being challenged, not because everything is normal and why not do it.

Same way would happen if you read statistics of labs who test STDs. Let's imagine 80% positives. OMG we live in a world of STDs! Promiscuity and loose people are to blame! Well no, take it easy... people who *think* they might have something are the main individuals who get tested, probably looked up the symptoms they are having and decided to get tested. Guess what, they probably do have an STD.

Also caps and big sized letters may convince and alarm some people but I'm not one of them

1: Who said it was quick ????? Only you say that...These are the stats dude... they are what they are.
2: already stated it was the stat of men that already wanted a dna test because they had suspicions.. Learn to read.
3: Actually you are not far off on the STD's,, Did you know most people who test positive go on having sex with people and not tell anyone or get treatment because of the costs, or just because they don't think it's that big of a issue.
4: The big font is from the actual study,,, so you actually should be concerned

 

[A.K.A78]

So you are telling me you are watching a movie and someone gets cheated on, and you stop watching the movie? Turn it off and go do other things? What happens when you are listening to a song and they mention cheating, do you turn it off as well?

And I don't think you can tell me what I can or can't enjoy.

I don't watch those movies ,, how hard it that to understand..
How would i listen to a song that mentions cheating.

Starting to wonder what you are doing in your daily life.

And YES i actually can tell you what you can and can not enjoy,,, just as you are telling US in a TREAD NAMED say NO to NTR that we should

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It's like me going into the tread for ntr and saying they should hate it

Now i have better things to do then read about your feelings and fantasy on how the world should work and what people should and should not like.

 

[Oink]

1: Who said it was quick ????? Only you say that...These are the stats dude... they are what they are.

A quick online search gives frighteningly alarming figures; many articles claim that as many as 30% of men are unknowingly raising another man’s child. This would mean that out of a class of 60 students, 20 of them are growing up calling the wrong man dad.

2: already stated it was the stat of men that already wanted a dna test because they had suspicions.. Learn to read.

I can't understand what you are saying, I think you missed my point.

3: Actually you are not far off on the STD's,, Did you know most people who test positive go on having sex with people and not tell anyone or get treatment because of the costs, or just because they don't think it's that big of a issue.

Source: You and your view of society.

4: The big font is from the actual study,,, so you actually should be concerned

Definitely not a sensationalistic piece of information then.

 

[A.K.A78]

I can't understand what you are saying, I think you missed my point.

Source: You and your view of society.

Definitely not a sensationalistic piece of information then.

Like i stated: Learn to read,, basic elementary. You stated my point in a different way that suits you without any facts.

Actual study is fantasy for you ,,, what a surprise.. You are arguing like a woman does. No rhyme, reason or fact in sight.

Ahhh so making Paragraphs with topic heads is sensational.... Okay then....you have some learning to do about writing in general.

Funny how someone that has no clue about a topic is telling me what is true and that it's something how i view it.
Reality is gonna hit you hard some day... I just hope for you when it does you can handle it.

Now i have better things to do then read about your feelings and fantasy on how the world should work and what people should and should not like and what you think is true and actual facts.

 

[Deco]

I take it lightly, it's all a fantasy that goes away after I cum, so