discussion Why don't you financially support devs you really like?

[Dad70]

I supported some dev's but unfortunately they got banned from ss and patreon and so on.
Some Dev's are making god games but destroy them whit BIG tits = no money from me.
Now i just support LC
When i find a god game i wait 2 -3 updates before i support, just to see if its a ongoing game in a steady speed in updates/info

 

[JeFawk]

I have been a gamer for a majority of my life, I have seen and experienced plenty from the gaming world. For many years gaming has gone to shit. It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to game. It is an expensive hobby as well. I've gotten so sick of all the greed and wokeness in gaming that I no longer game and instead I create games because that is more entertaining.

To make this short, why should one even support those in the industry? Many treat gamers like shit, they look down on gamers and in some cases, even hate gamers. The industry is too fucked up to be supporting. There is no respect for games or gamers by those in the industry. Even today, I still see many going into gaming because they see it only as a way to rake in profits and exploit gamers. Which is also the fault of many gamers by the way, far too many coosumer cucks enabling this fucked up industry.​

Example of dev using games as job instead of getting an actual job. It makes artistic game devs like me look bad when many game devs are trash individuals ruining gaming for everyone.

You must be registered to see attachments

Yeah but you're generalizing this.

Growing up with Caesar 3, Warcraft 1, Red Alert, etc, I also have a deep hatred for modern games. But don't forget that some developers make games cause the ones out there are too shit and the companies and developers behind them are in cases a sorry excuse for human beings.

There are plenty of examples of good companies still, and good indie developers.

 

[Nezron]

Personally for myself, I don't support most devs of AVN's because they don't finish games.. they make it for a while then start a new one. Or the updates are too slow. I like Summertime Saga, but the dev is just milking it. I like Apartment 69, but again updates take forever to come out. Then you have games like WVM and Grandma's House (both I like), but they take the Harem to far... way too many girls.... and you don't get much quality time with the girls you might like... because they are focused on girls you may not like. Then there is the current problem with games being discontinued or change because of young looking models. So many games will never be finished.

So developers need to stay focused on 1 game and finish it... don't change it. But games like Corrupted Love, WOW what a dick punch to any that supported that game, the dev just removes most of the main content and thinks people will support that.

Games like Lost and Found and Cosy Cafe are feel good games that I do like and have good developers, still waiting to see if Limitless will continue (unedited), same with The Daddy Plan (I think the dev might edit his game... sad)

So that is why I don't support most games.

 

[Hunter1Legend]

Yeah, it's the same for me. The percentage of games that actually finish the VN's (And not those with a rushed/cut off or 2 episodes stories) are in my experience extremely small. I have paid for a few games and to this point only 1 (K7) has actually finished a story with over 25 2-hour episodes. I would love to support the devs, but only because I want to see faster and better continuous results. Which are unfortunately rare. I know that these take a long time to make and are not always to everyones liking. But devs with multiple games and a history of abandoning, or a slow increase in release time (to up to half a year), gave me a prejudice to only pay if there is already a decent amound of investment return.

 

[jh_smut]

I've turned off Ronovan and 13 Games until they decide how they're moving forward -- if they continues Morals or Money with smols, I'll restart them. Cr8tive M3dia is doing good work, so I support him.

One dev posted stupid political shit on Twitter (ain't nobody gonna call it X) and I could get past that. Then he made fat jokes about Lizzo -- nope, he's off.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I'm curious to know why some people do not financially support devs they really like so these devs can work full time on their VNs.

Is it because you can't or because you know you'll have the update for free later (stinginess)?

Personally I've supported devs sporadically but I can't anymore because of my nightmarish financial situation (bad choices back in 2020, my bank won't let go until I'm out of it in 10 years from now ?)

Because most people simply don't have spare money to give away. Back during the pandemic I got like a free $30k from the gov't (7 dependents, business owner, etc so was eligible for a lot) so spread the wealth (and paid over $1k a year to SS subs). That gravy train is mostly over ( I wouldn't have minded if the quarantine lasted a decade or 2 like in a few AVNs I've read, too bad real life isn't as convenient). Not only that but anyone with basic math skills should realize how much they are going to pay for an AVN. Assuming $5 a month (that seems to be the average devs get) and it takes 5 years to finish that's freaking $300 (possibly more than that, if you instead let it sit in a 4% savings account instead for that 5 years that's $365). When you think about it that is ridiculous when even DX12 AAA titles are under $70 and probably take a similar amount of time to finish (maybe a few hundred hours for lengthy ones). And this is assuming it's ever even finished, which these days more often than not it gets abandoned and any money you paid is lost and at best you paid $50-100 for half a story that never gets finished. Speaking of, recently if you are a loli/incest fan like me and simply don't see the point in paying $ for vanilla AVNs that are easy to find for free everywhere like regular porn this happened a couple dozen times over in the span of 2 months = basically thousands of $ tossed into a bonfire. In fact these days that's left such a sour taste in my mouth my new payment policy outside a select few subs to high-end loli devs still standing that didn't go into a paranoid panic (Ketzal, Blackheart, a few others where their AVN is also their day job so no annual updates with day-job-related excuses in between) is to go back to the old school business model and not pay shit until it's completed (with devs assuming the risk instead of subs, getting a business loan, and starting their own AVN/game studio and making that their day job as it used to be, go all-in or not at all).

 

[BoinkBanana]

For me it is mostly because all the options for supporting are linking to monthly donations. I am not expecting someone to make AVN their full time employment. I imagine it is a side hobby and that getting some monetary feedback for the product you make is pretty nice. But when I am donating it is because I support the product not the person and having it being a monthly donation and then developers talking about how they didn't get around to it this month but still take the donation it doesn't seem right.
I am not an employer. I am tipping for a good experience. I make a one time donation when there is a release I like if it is monthly.

It is sad that there is not an option to just support a project or support the creator. Say the creator is making a game and then decides to start a new game. They are very different but you only intent to support the game you actually like, not pay for work done basically "wasted" in your perspective.
Also when products are locked behind a monthly donation the prices seems quiet high. Like you will be paying multiple times the prices of a new AAA game before the game is halfway finished - and there is no roadmap either.

Someone like Sancho who only does modding but will not accept any donations is probably one of the few I think would make sense to support as a creator because the work is spread out and free for all. The rest I would say the project would be worth supporting aka release donations.

 

[Anon7483]

I'M BROKE!!!!!!

 

[elfieeven]

I actually support a few non-loli games but I don't want to be legally linked with any loli games and no, crypto is not good enough as I've heard plenty of stories of them linking crypto to the source.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I actually support a few non-loli games but I don't want to be legally linked with any loli games and no, crypto is not good enough as I've heard plenty of stories of them linking crypto to the source.

It really depends on the crypto and other precautions. Look what it took to shut down Silk Road. The DEA/FBI/CIA and other 3-letter agencies had to physically steal his laptop (and coders then released a self-destruct switch for laptops soon after that, in case the gov't tries that again, if it goes outside predefined GPS coordinates, the drive gets zeroed and battery intentionally overloaded until it goes Samsung and explodes or bursts into flames). Only reason they knew which laptop to steal and who he was was for something stupid after letting his guard down, like connecting to the internet without a VPN or something or using the same internet cafe to the point of predictibility (I forget the details). But if you have a real C P collection or live in some totalitarian shit hole then I guess I can understand the paranoia. Luckily I live in the US so don't care if the gov't wants to watch me jack off to loli AVNs, it's legal.

 

[Randeza]

i don't support games that has genres that i don't like even if its avoidable and they use sites that demand that you disable adblocker which are red flags, any site that asks you to disable your adblocker is a very dodgy site that shoulden't be used because 90% of the time they will use ad popus. Sites that uses adblock detection software kills any new traffick to their site

 

[Jack Of Blades]

i don't support games that has genres that i don't like even if its avoidable and they use sites that demand that you disable adblocker which are red flags, any site that asks you to disable your adblocker is a very dodgy site that shoulden't be used because 90% of the time they will use ad popus. Sites that uses adblock detection software kills any new traffick to their site

sucks for them then huh.

for the record we dont do popup ads.

 

[Randeza]

sucks for them then huh.

for the record we dont do popup ads.

Only time will tell, i wonder how much new traffick this site will even get by having adblock detection software, since most woulden't disable their adblocker

 

[SrMozaiko]

I am poor. It's just as easy as that. I dont even live in a third world country.

 

[lewdsally]

I would if there was some way to contribute anonymously to Patreon. When I say anonymously, I mean VPN plus pre-paid Visa bought with cash. Unfortunately, they don't accept pre-paid Visa for payment.

 

[jojodololi]

Once I almost subscribe for the Dev of Lewd Town Adventures because he sold the game very well and you had access to the gallery, and that was before I played it and thank God I didn't because the game is terrible, after that I never considered it again, I once paid an OF, worse experience, it's not worth it. But the main reason is that I'm poor

 

[crownclown39]

I do, I support good Devs like Love-Joint (RIP Palmer)

 

[korochan48]

I got money to spend and would love to support devs but I dont trust money online I always use cash in hand. I dont want something online getting back to me. If only I can hand out it in cash.

 

[Demiurge299]

Lack of funds mainly (especially for recurring payments, and buying a month of a few of my favorites once a year would leave me with nothing to play for the rest of it) and quite a few devs for games I enjoyed either cut and ran (like Crumbbum of Deserted in Paradise), had absolutely abysmal update schedules (like ICSTOR), or started showing an increasing lack of care for the coding, or even worse, art of their games as times went on because they were going to make decent money from the supporters they did have even if they went completely lazy. Not to say that's every case obviously, there are still tons of devs I feel are wonderful (especially those that get involved in a positive way with forums like these, even if their stuff is getting leaked) but I no longer see it as something beneficial to do given how often getting burned happens.

 

[Laehl]

I would love to if I could. I barely have enough for myself right now. Going through issues in life is also part of what made me turn to games as an out. I have supported a few in the past, but have since had to look to taking care of myself before I help those that I like and wish to support. Unfortunately, this I presume is going to be the number one answer.