Why don't you financially support devs you really like?

[User_35004]

I'm curious to know why some people do not financially support devs they really like so these devs can work full time on their VNs.

Is it because you can't or because you know you'll have the update for free later (stinginess)?

Personally I've supported devs sporadically but I can't anymore because of my nightmarish financial situation (bad choices back in 2020, my bank won't let go until I'm out of it in 10 years from now ?)

 

[Malakai]

I am poor. It's just as easy as that. I dont even live in a third world country.
With Corvid and "Ukraine War" , the total retarded, company and goverment made inflation, i am happy that i can afford normal living without having to steal or beg. And thats about it. If i would have spare money, there would be quite alot of developers i would throw my money at.

 

[User_35004]

I am poor. It's just as easy as that. I dont even live in a third world country.
With Corvid and "Ukraine War" , the total retarded, company and goverment made inflation, i am happy that i can afford normal living without having to steal or beg. And thats about it. If i would have spare money, there would be quite alot of developers i would throw my money at.

Thank you for your honest reply. People are always hating on the "freeloaders". I just wanted to know the reality behind it

 

[Uncle Loco]

I am only able to send monetary support to one dev and really I probably shouldn't even do that. It is hard to find disposable income nowadays, which is why I made my own VN free and take no donations. One day I may change that but for now, I see what the economy is and don't want anyone to feel they should donate to me.

 

[Rebel 357]

I have been a gamer for a majority of my life, I have seen and experienced plenty from the gaming world. For many years gaming has gone to shit. It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to game. It is an expensive hobby as well. I've gotten so sick of all the greed and wokeness in gaming that I no longer game and instead I create games because that is more entertaining.

To make this short, why should one even support those in the industry? Many treat gamers like shit, they look down on gamers and in some cases, even hate gamers. The industry is too fucked up to be supporting. There is no respect for games or gamers by those in the industry. Even today, I still see many going into gaming because they see it only as a way to rake in profits and exploit gamers. Which is also the fault of many gamers by the way, far too many coosumer cucks enabling this fucked up industry.​

Example of dev using games as job instead of getting an actual job. It makes artistic game devs like me look bad when many game devs are trash individuals ruining gaming for everyone.

edit: This dev abandoned his projects too. The dev also stopped creating content for loli due to obvious reasons that they lack a spine and artistic integrity. That they cared more about money than the fans of the game. Last I've seen from this dev, is that they gave up again. Waste of money for those who supported him/her.

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[User_35004]

I have been a gamer for a majority of my life, I have seen and experienced plenty from the gaming world. For many years gaming has gone to shit. It has gotten so bad that it is no longer fun to game. It is an expensive hobby as well. I've gotten so sick of all the greed and wokeness in gaming that I no longer game and instead I create games because that is more entertaining.

To make this short, why should one even support those in the industry? Many treat gamers like shit, they look down on gamers and in some cases, even hate gamers. The industry is too fucked up to be supporting. There is no respect for games or gamers by those in the industry. Even today, I still see many going into gaming because they see it only as a way to rake in profits and exploit gamers. Which is also the fault of many gamers by the way, far too many coosumer cucks enabling this fucked up industry.​

Example of dev using games as job instead of getting an actual job. It makes artistic game devs like me look bad when many game devs are trash individuals ruining gaming for everyone.

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Fair point about greedy evil lazy devs milking their fans. I've been let down myself by some of them the few times I've been able to support. I don't know really if the majority of devs are like that.
But I was asking about being into a VN you love, made by a reliable hard working decent dev. Why not supporting the dev for the entertainment you're enjoying? Just out of spite for the industry? Knowing that if a dev is constantly delivering good stuff, your money is contributing in a good way

 

[Rebel 357]

Fair point about greedy evil lazy devs milking their fans. I've been let down myself by some of them the few times I've been able to support. I don't know really if the majority of devs are like that.
But I was asking about being into a VN you love, made by a reliable hard working decent dev. Why not supporting the dev for the entertainment you're enjoying? Just out of spite for the industry? Knowing that if a dev is constantly delivering good stuff, your money is contributing in a good way

Another thing that devs don't like to acknowledge is that games can be made for free, that FOSS games exist and are made. You get idiots and game devs trying to downplay that.
Better off using your money to support the FOSS that is used to create those games in the first place. IE: Krita, GIMP, Inkscape, Ren'py, Godot, LMMS, Tenacity, etc.

 

[Mlemmy72]

I do when I can and dont when I cant
I dont have a japanese bank account or card for ci-en subscriptions
I do have an american account to buy things off steam and DLsite
But sometimes I dont do it because well... I either cant play the game because no translation or the game is just not my spice

I do the same with normal games as well. I dont like pirating, but some games have left too much of a bad taste in my mouth to not be one at first before buying

 

[MicoJive]

I have no problem dropping 10-20 bucks on a dev when a game is finished that I like like an indie game, I do that quite often.

I'm just not going to spend money on a dude to muck through making a game, who releases updates every 6 months that ends up quitting. There are a few devs who have shown to consistently finish games, produce consistent updates, and to not do 180 bs updates that piss off fanbases that I dont have a problem with subscribing to, but those are few and far between nowadays.

 

[Montimer]

I don't support greedy devs. I've been around nsfw community long enough to know estimates of how much it would take to make updates for a game. If they keep finding excuses and delivering underwhelming results, they won't ger my money. There shouldn't be place for people who break trust of people who basically collectively employ them.

But for devs I like? The moment I get whiff of potential and consistent content, they get their money. I'm very happy that so far there have been devs and artists out there that have caught my attention and managed to over time deliver good amount of content.
I legitimately believe that if we as community want to keep projects alive, we have to make sure that developers have resources that help them combat struggles of real life. Which in return helps to deliver more content or updates to the game faster.
That is, of course, if they don't let the money get into their heads.

 

[Valso]

I'm curious to know why some people do not financially support devs they really like so these devs can work full time on their VNs.

Is it because you can't or because you know you'll have the update for free later (stinginess)?

Personally I've supported devs sporadically but I can't anymore because of my nightmarish financial situation (bad choices back in 2020, my bank won't let go until I'm out of it in 10 years from now ?)

I like many AVN games (over 50) but I can afford to support only 3 or 4. So for the moment I'm supporting those whose games I like the most - ketzal, Westy, N2TheFire and Night Games. I wish I could support them all but I don't have $1000 to spare.

 

[saltydogmk]

This idea of giving money to someone on a monthly basis, in order for them to develop their game is a bit odd to me. These people developing the games need money for equipment and the programs they need in order to make their Visual Novel. Or whatever style of Adult Game they choose. The problem I have with giving money on a monthly basis are but a few. 1.) If these Indie Developers need money for the game. Why not go to a bank, and ask for a loan just like any other business would do. I doubt any of these Indie titles on Steam got monthly payments from people during development. 2.) Even if they were unable to get a loan. How is it considered normal/alright to ask for monthly donations with varying amounts and benefits. 3.) These are not MMO'S, nor are the vast majority of these putting out new updates every month. Therefore, why are these Developers making sometimes thousands of dollars each month. Only to put out an update once every 3-6 months sometimes. They're some games I follow that I really enjoy. However, the updates are so few and far in between. I cannot imagine giving them a monthly payment. 4.) My last point. Far too often, these games either drag on with no ending in sight. Or they simply get abandoned halfway into the story. It's seldom to see a completed game.

 

[Myuhinny]

I have supported 1 DEV and that was a game on itchio and the game had the buy option and all I had to do after that was a wait for the page to be updated with new versions.

 

[dickness all around]

because the only Dev who is worth supporting is TK8000 and even here we know for a fact that he's not full time working on his games. despite still being better than 99% of Devs out there.

meanwhile Devs who make a lot of money are starting to milk their games, you get small bits of updates every month or a large one every 6-8 months, fuck those Devs. remove their income and you will see them suddenly release updates at amazing speeds and high quality ones.

too little and the Dev won't bother, too much and you will have Devs like Eromancer who fake update once a month or Arc who makes about 13k dollars per month less than Eromancer and turned his VN into a combat turn based game so he can milk the game with lazy updates that even I can recreate in about 15 minutes. you need to find a sweet spot of cash flow and that is hard to do... before I support a Dev I need to watch him for a couple of months to know if he has too much money or too little, and then make a choice, it's not as simple as you think.

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[hansdampf788]

There were times I considered supporting games I like but basically every Dev managed to fuck up at some point so I'm glad I didn't support them.

 

[bjazzy]

I am from third world country . The conversion rate and taxes are huge

 

[Valso]

basically every Dev managed to fuck up at some point

For that reason I'm not supporting Caribdis, Cryoxxx, CodeMasters, UbiSoft and RockFish Games. And since quite recently I stopped supporting SCS Software and MEGA.nz as well.

• I was close to making a decision to support Caribdis ("Eternum", "Once in a lifetime"). But Caribdis had added the word "Fuck95" in the banned word list on his Discord server but he hadn't announced that anywhere - not in "announcements" channel, not in the server rules. So a user not knowing that, if they asked a question like "Is there any website for finding AVNs (other than Fuck95)?", they get instantly muted on the server and considering after being muted you can't contact any of the staff either, that equals a ban. That's an asshole behaviour which is why I gave up on supporting him.

• Cryoxxx and his minions don't accept unpopular opinions. A developer who can't take a little criticism doesn't deserve financial support at all.

• CodeMasters once told me that "purchase doesn't guarantee technical support" (back then the case was about "Race Driver GRID", otherwise known as simply "GRID 1"), so I told them if that's the case, from that moment on I'd play all of their future games cracked, since it seemed that the cracking groups did CodeMasters' job better. The original purchased copy of the game refused to run on Windows XP (back then I was still a Windows user), whereas the game ran just fine with the RELOADED crack. I've been keeping my word since then and if the game has the logo of CodeMasters, I download it cracked.

• Ubisoft. I hadn't logged in their site for a very long and the 2FA was activated on a very old phone which I don't have anymore. They said there was no option to reset 2FA, so that I can access my account, thus I told them they're joining my personal blacklist where CodeMasters is and from that moment on I'll always play UbiSoft games cracked as well. UbiSoft and CodeMasters don't respect their customers, so why should I respect them and give them any money?!

• RockFish Games made a game using a cross-platform engine and AFAIK it's an open source engine. Other developers who used the same engine made their games resources accessible (meaning that you can modify the game's definitions in order to make it more suitable to your play style). But RockFish made the resource of their games encrypted, so you can't access them and therefore can't mod the game. In addition to my favourite line "No tux - no bux!", I also told them I'll keep playing that game cracked UNTIL they decrypt the game resources and allow us to mod it. I find that using an open source engine to make a closed source game is a mockery towards your customers, therefore you can expect the same treatment from them.

• SCS Software. I suppose everyone knows who they are but if you don't know - they're the developers of "Euro Truck Simulator 2", "American Truck Simulator" and a few other games. The developers of SCS Software wake up every morning thinking of new ways to screw their customers up, rendering the customers' mods unuseable. Their games do support mods but with every update more and more mods stop working and you have to spend more time remaking your mods from scratch, so naturally more and more modders simply abandon their mods. That's why I isolated from Steam the latest version where my mods work (v1.46.2.20) which means the game is still a purchased copy but it will never update, no matter what tricks they come up with.

• MEGA.nz are lying bastards, which is why I canceled my subscription for them. They tell you that Firefox doesn't have enough "power" to download a 6 GB file from their cloud and they're forcing you to use their desktop app. That's a thick lie bc I've tested it with other cloud services where I've uploaded a 15 GB file and then downloaded it via Firefox without any problems. So MEGA can MEGAsuck my dick and I'll never pay them a single cent anymore! The person who will give me orders what and how to happen on my own computer hasn't been born yet (which is why I abandoned Windows in the first place). Apparently MEGA mistook me for one of the Windows sheep.

So far the only developers who have shown me with a 100% certainty that they deserve my support are @ketzal , @Westy and N2TheFire (the developer of "Serenity", "Serenity 2" & "The Last Human").

 

[hansdampf788]

(the developer of "Serenity", "Serenity 2" & "The Last Human").

That guy put so much bullshit in Serenity that I haven't played anything from him in a loooooong time.

 

[Valso]

That guy put so much bullshit in Serenity that I haven't played anything from him in a loooooong time.

Then don't. Nobody's pushed a gun to your head to play games you don't like.
In the meantime I'm waiting for the next version with that fiery girl Rin. You could say Rin and Serenity were the things that awoke my love for AVN games.

 

[Rebel 357]

There were times I considered supporting games I like but basically every Dev managed to fuck up at some point so I'm glad I didn't support them.

Seems like many are only interested in video game production since it's a huge money making industry. An industry by the way, that gets away with soo much shit. Gamers are regularly exploited and taken advantage of, is the norm.

If I do happen to find a dev I like, I choose to support not with money, but getting their game noticed or their works. IE. the dev behind "Living in Viellci" by NC131