discussion [Site News] Members+ Requirement System Update

[mandraqque]

Without a doubt, it scared away the impatient ones

 

[Peter]

Not sure what you mean.

Honestly, I don't know either.

And I'm sorry, but I think my thoughts are too absurd and nonsensical to explain publicly.
So, before I embarrass myself even more than I already have, I'd rather not go into further detail or delve deeper into the subject.
As I said, I'm not a techie and I don't know anything about this kind of things.

 

[Jack Of Blades]

Are prestige ranks currently paused? I have enough coins, but I get a "Not enough balance." message.

When I get back home I’ll take a look I may have forgot to switch their currency

 

[jimmyscrambles]

I like the changes, it encourages engagement, but it's not too tedious to the point that it becomes a chore to fulfill them. Someone should be able to attain that in like a week of minimal activeness, or faster if they are more active. Also, grandffathering in those that already have M+, but doesn't quite meet the requirement is great.

 

[mykneegrows]

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[SmilingJack4]

It's a good idea, the implementation needs tweaking. I would do away with the thread creation requirement. It incentivizes creating a bunch of pointless noob threads instead of spending 5 minutes looking up whatever the thread was made on.

Keep firmly in mind that at the end of the day, you can only incentivize engagement, not force it. If it is feasible to do so, make every activity that is beneficial to the site like the ones you listed, and writing reviews net coins that you can spend on perks and ranks. The real meat&potatos is in determining how much a certain activity is worth.

 

[Sharpened]

Hmm interesting changes. It makes it MUCH faster in terms of social interaction to hit the requirement, but arguably more time just browsing the site [depending on the person] for people who were trying to get to 350 AC/LC. Honestly, all of these metrics are really easy to hit minus the activity requirement. 25 comment reactions is literally nothing, there are plenty of members who toss out comment reactions to anything that is even slightly engaging, especially in the lurker thread.

I'd argue you could nearly double all of the requirements except activity, and the activity requirement would STILL be the bottleneck. Not saying you should. I think it's a good way to promote interaction without going overboard and helping to avoid comment spam [I was certainly guilty of this when chasing AC at the end of last year].

The activity requirement timeframe seems fine on the surface, but it is going to heavily depend on what kind of activity it's tracking, and if it's accurate. The only sketch requirement is the thread. That really is just going to create spam, even if it's only one per member.

EDIT: Taking a quick peak various user stats in the Lurker thread across a couple pages, the vast majority of users have MORE comment reactions than actual comments. The average is something like 30-50% more reactions than comments, with a lot of them being almost double reactions to comments. Even users with 'low'' reactions still had close to a 1:1 ratio.

 

[NamoCQ]

Does creating a thread still have a cost? I agree with not gaining LC from a thread you created to avoid people creating spam, but charging a cost to create a thread seems counterproductive.

 

[Sharpened]

Does creating a thread still have a cost? I agree with not gaining LC from a thread you created to avoid people creating spam, but charging a cost to create a thread seems counterproductive.

This isn't an answer to your question because I do not know, but overall it wouldn't matter anyway. The current suggested requirements for M+ would have the user well above the needed LC cost for both the M+ rank and the thread creation cost [assuming it's still 10 coins like previously]. Also, I believe threads you created DID give you LC when other users interacted with it [and I am assuming still do?]. You just couldn't farm coins by posting comments in a thread you created.

Separately, I don't think the thread requirement is a good one to have since it just promotes some thread spam.

 

[Oga08]

For me the change absolutely sucked. Instead of getting lifetime member+ as I could afford now, I had it for one day. I need to create 27 posts and get 3 likes in 72 hours of activity time as my activity is still at 0 and the only thing that has not carried over. It's completely unbalanced to the point of farming time being the only thing that holds any importance whilst being able to do every other task 3 times over.

22 hours of activity and I'm at absolute 0 with no progress made today, however that works. Would have rather bought it for 350 now instead of being put up to farm 72 hours with a bar seemingly not advancing. The 22 hours I had clocked certainly counted towards nothing.

There needs to be a small hump for entry for the ones who have proved they do want the access to keep out report and spam. The 350 coin I saw as enough to discourage from wanting to do that as my activity is 22 hours. There needs to be a hump and I understand and it's totally fine with me. But the constant working around and changing it's form is annoying to me. Then change it without desecrating any prior effort made. What the hump is doesn't matter and viewing it as the one adjusting screw that will revolutionize the platform is misguided. It's nothing more than a hump and mustn't be more than that. That I was over but I need to farm 72 hours of activity suddenly. I would have shut up and done the thing if it tracked properly, which it doesn't. Make it 24 hours which might be appropriate for completely new users but this sucks. 350 LC in hand, to be given this task. What am I expected to do 72 hours? Which seems more like 190 hours the way the tracking functions. Not a single minute I have been given whilst typing this. wtf, I came 19 minutes too late.

Realistically I don't see anyone or 95% of people put up an effort exceeding 4 hours just to bring this joint down, what it was prior did enough.

 

[emma_frost]

Members+ Requirement System Update
Members+ now uses LewdCoins + basic activity requirements before purchase/unlock​

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I want to explain a new change to the Members+ system so there is no confusion.
Members+ is now the only rank that currently has extra activity requirements before it can be purchased/unlocked.
This does not apply to every rank. This is specifically for Members+.

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Why This Was Added
The point of this change is to stop fresh throwaway accounts, trolls, bad-faith users, and people with no site history from instantly accessing Members+ areas with no activity at all.
This is also meant to lessen the grind for coins and move Members+ toward a more activity-based system. Instead of making users focus only on farming LewdCoins, the system now looks at basic account activity like time active, posts, threads, and likes gained.
This is not meant to punish normal users. It is meant to make Members+ feel more earned, less dependent on pure coin grinding, and better protected from accounts that only appear to grab access and cause problems.

Members+ should be reachable through real activity, not endless coin farming.​

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Current Members+ Requirements
The current Members+ requirements are:

Required LewdCoins: 85
Required Activity: 72 hours
Required Threads: 1
Required Posts / Replies: 50
Required Likes Gained: 25

These values may still be adjusted if needed.
The point is to make Members+ require both basic activity and a small LewdCoins cost, instead of making it purely about endless coin farming.
I do not want Members+ to feel impossible to reach, but I also do not want it to be instantly available to brand-new accounts with no history.

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What The New Requirements Check
Members+ now checks basic account activity before the rank can be purchased/unlocked.
The requirement system checks:

• Required LewdCoins
• Required Activity Hours
• Required Threads
• Required Likes Gained
• Required Posts / Replies

These checks are meant to show that the account has actually been used and is not just a brand-new account trying to instantly access restricted areas.

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Only Members+ Has These Requirements Right Now
To be clear:
Only Members+ currently has these added activity requirements.
This does not mean every rank has the same requirement system. Prestige and other ranks are not being given this same requirement setup right now.
This change is mainly about controlling entry into Members+ and making sure users have some basic activity before unlocking that access.

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How The Purchase Block Works
If a user tries to buy/unlock Members+ and does not meet one or more requirements, the purchase will be blocked server-side.
That means it is not just a visual popup. The system actually checks the requirements before allowing the purchase/unlock.
If the user does not meet the requirements, the popup will show exactly what is missing:

• How much is needed
• How much the user currently has
• How much remains

So instead of guessing why Members+ cannot be purchased, users should be able to see what they still need to do.

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Example
If Members+ requires 50 posts and a user only has 30 posts, the popup should show something like:

Required Posts: 50
Current Posts: 30
Remaining Posts Needed: 20

The same idea applies to LewdCoins, activity time, threads, and likes gained.

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This Is Not A Hard Paywall
This change is not about making Members+ only available through payment.
Members+ can still be earned through normal site activity. The requirement system is there to make sure the account has some actual site history before accessing Members+.
The point is not:

The point is:

That is an important difference.

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Donation Access Bypasses These Requirements
To be clear, users who donate for Members+ access do not need to meet the activity requirements first.
The activity requirements are mainly for users unlocking/purchasing Members+ through the normal LewdCoins/activity route. Donation access exists as a supporter option for users who want to help support the site and skip the activity requirement.
So the two routes are:

• Activity Route: Requires 85 LewdCoins + 72 hours activity + 1 thread + 50 posts/replies + 25 likes gained
• Donation Route: Bypasses the activity requirements

This does not mean Members+ is donation-only. It means users have two options: earn it through activity or support the site directly.

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This Is Also Not Just A Coin Grind
Members+ still requires 85 LewdCoins through the activity route, but the goal is to reduce the old feeling of needing to endlessly grind coins just to reach Members+.
The new system is not based only on farming points. It also checks whether the account has real activity behind it.
That means Members+ now looks at both:

• LewdCoins
• Activity time
• Posts / replies
• Threads created
• Likes gained

The goal is to move away from pure coin farming and toward a cleaner activity/trust system. Users still need LewdCoins through the activity route, but Members+ should now feel more like something earned through normal activity instead of only grinding random replies.

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Why Likes Are Included
Likes gained are included because they help show that other users found at least some of your posts useful, interesting, or worth reacting to.
That said, likes should not become the main grind. If the like requirement causes issues, abuse, or like-farming, it can be adjusted.
The goal is not to create reaction trading. The goal is to add another small trust signal.

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What Kind Of Activity Helps
Useful activity matters more than random filler.
Good activity includes:

• Posting useful replies in game threads
• Starting real threads
• Leaving helpful feedback
• Reporting broken links
• Reporting outdated games
• Writing useful reviews
• Helping other users
• Posting fixes, codes, mirrors, or walkthrough info

Low-effort posts like “thanks,” “nice,” or “good game” are not the kind of activity I want the site to revolve around.

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What This Does NOT Mean
This does not mean:

• Every rank now has requirements
• Existing Members+ users are being removed
• Members+ is impossible to get
• Donation Coins are being removed
• LewdCoins are being deleted
• The site is doing a reset
• The system is meant to punish normal users
• Members+ is donation-only

This is a basic entry requirement system for Members+, not a full site wipe or rank reset.

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Final Point
Members+ should be accessible, but it should not be instant for accounts with no history.
This system is meant to create a better balance between access, safety, activity, and trust. It is also meant to reduce the need to grind coins endlessly just to unlock Members+.
The goal is:

• Keep Members+ reachable
• Reduce throwaway account access
• Lessen the coin grind
• Move Members+ toward real activity
• Allow donation supporters to bypass activity requirements
• Encourage useful participation
• Make requirements clear
• Show users exactly what they are missing
• Avoid making Members+ purely payment-based

If the requirements need adjustment later, they can be adjusted. For now, this is the direction I’m testing for Members+.
- Jack Of Blades

honestly, the biggest problem of this whole thing is the activity time, if its going to be almost impossible to macro it like I've read then isn't 72 hours a little much? especially if its only 12 hours per day that you can earn

 

[Oga08]

I will make my 1 thread I am required to make crying about this. I saw no need of converting my activity coin which would have meant buying it in time. You have really gotten me with this one. Decide on a hump that is effective in keeping the things out we don't want and don't needlessly extend it beyond that like you've done with this to lessen spam. Consider making the next hump that will exist the one that it will be eternally. What is the experiment? Interesting the ones I forced to write messages don't write anymore while they already have what they want, who could have known? It will surely look a bit different in the analytics in every permutation but at the end of the day you are looking at the same thing.

Be sure to like this, I need 3 likes apart from my 72 hours in wich some system that doesn't work needs to classify me as an active user. If it wasn't bad enough. I was completely shafted, revert it back man and change it for the 4th time in my 11 days being here. I don't mind good changes but this was bad.

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I was so happy when I saw that I had enough after my activity coin was force exchanged. I was put to complete 0 when I had just made it. I could be member+ and instead I have 0 active hours. As if it was a targeted attack.

It's way too much. It took me one day of login time to get the needed coins with it often standing idle in the background. 12 hours of active time if even. You sextupled the effort it takes to become member+ for the people who had already completely done what it took prior. Was there so many bad actors, couldn't have been when just everybody was given access.

350 coins was fine with there being a lot of chatter of people grinding for those. I don't understand this. How it is right now it's 5 times as annoying and I am sure it doesn't need to be.