discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[Karamchad]

SSP is a great game,happy to see it going forward, I had a v.03 from my last play now I see that there are a lot of new content

 

[Vulky]

@ketzal the quality of the images is really exceptional. If you have made posts about your workflow and how you can reach such high quality, I would gladly read them, because your style is very photographic, and it looks so professional.

I have a suggestion: some scenes (and paths) are hidden behind a click at random places, I found them only by looking at your code. You should provide a hint that there are "extras" and a system to record how many you have found of them, as it happens in Being a DIK for example. Because now there is no way to know if you missed some content unless you look at the Python code, and very few people do that. Some areas are too small and totally random, frankly not very usable because you cannot expect players to check each single screen with their mouse to look for potential hidden content.

 

[BgileMunro]

@ketzal the quality of the images is really exceptional. If you have made posts about your workflow and how you can reach such high quality, I would gladly read them, because your style is very photographic, and it looks so professional.

I have a suggestion: some scenes (and paths) are hidden behind a click at random places, I found them only by looking at your code. You should provide a hint that there are "extras" and a system to record how many you have found of them, as it happens in Being a DIK for example. Because now there is no way to know if you missed some content unless you look at the Python code, and very few people do that. Some areas are too small and totally random, frankly not very usable because you cannot expect players to check each single screen with their mouse to look for potential hidden content.

Absolutely agree on the image quality. Also the angles chosen and the distances. Leana's eyes are remarkable. Just very well done overall, and that is one of the things that make SSP special.

 

[AnonymousBrowser]

I have a suggestion: some scenes (and paths) are hidden behind a click at random places, I found them only by looking at your code. You should provide a hint that there are "extras" and a system to record how many you have found of them, as it happens in Being a DIK for example. Because now there is no way to know if you missed some content unless you look at the Python code, and very few people do that. Some areas are too small and totally random, frankly not very usable because you cannot expect players to check each single screen with their mouse to look for potential hidden content.

I'm pretty sure there's already a setting for that in the menu: the one that shows a purple magnifying glass when a clickable is present.

 

[User_12]

@ketzal the quality of the images is really exceptional. If you have made posts about your workflow and how you can reach such high quality, I would gladly read them, because your style is very photographic, and it looks so professional.

I have a suggestion: some scenes (and paths) are hidden behind a click at random places, I found them only by looking at your code. You should provide a hint that there are "extras" and a system to record how many you have found of them, as it happens in Being a DIK for example. Because now there is no way to know if you missed some content unless you look at the Python code, and very few people do that. Some areas are too small and totally random, frankly not very usable because you cannot expect players to check each single screen with their mouse to look for potential hidden content.

There's a system of hints (a magnifying glass showing that you have to click somewhere), and I personally find that it's pretty well indicated, either by dialogue or by image. But I'm thinking more and more that I'm going to have to make a complete guide for my game. As for the way I work, I've posted lots of tutorials and how-to videos on my SS. I also do streams (more and more rarely).

 

[Guidance4603]

There's a system of hints (a magnifying glass showing that you have to click somewhere), and I personally find that it's pretty well indicated, either by dialogue or by image. But I'm thinking more and more that I'm going to have to make a complete guide for my game. As for the way I work, I've posted lots of tutorials and how-to videos on my SS. I also do streams (more and more rarely).

Just because some of us are dumb idiots doesn't mean you have to bend over backwards to cater to that small portion of idiots who are to lazy to figure shit out on their own. Might I recommend building the game you want to make first and the 'accessibility options' for an after thought or final version or something. Following a manual isn't nearly as fun as stumbling onto stuff on your own.

 

[User_3545]

There's a system of hints (a magnifying glass showing that you have to click somewhere), and I personally find that it's pretty well indicated, either by dialogue or by image. But I'm thinking more and more that I'm going to have to make a complete guide for my game. As for the way I work, I've posted lots of tutorials and how-to videos on my SS. I also do streams (more and more rarely).

Wait, what???? Do I need to restart this VN from the beginning then??? lol

 

[WhiteVanDaycare]

Wait, what???? Do I need to restart this VN from the beginning then??? lol

No one said anything to come to that conclusion... ?‍

 

[cenros]

Hey @ketzal ! The Leana sex animation scene must have almost another extra angle. That scene means a first time so why the animation angle was so generic? In the other hand the image angle renders before the animation are excellent! But when the MC start to pierce the fruit... angle swap and leave the "something is missing " taste.
This scene is already done or could be fixed on the next update?

One of the best AVN created at the moment!

 

[BgileMunro]

Hey @ketzal ! The Leana sex animation scene must have almost another extra angle. That scene means a first time so why the animation angle was so generic? In the other hand the image angle renders before the animation are excellent! But when the MC start to pierce the fruit... angle swap and leave the "something is missing " taste.
This scene is already done or could be fixed on the next update?

One of the best AVN created at the moment!

That scene was special, but I don't think he has to come up with unique angles or ways of showing things for every scene. He has done so well that I think sometimes we might expect too much.

 

[rileykiko]

That scene was special, but I don't think he has to come up with unique angles or ways of showing things for every scene. He has done so well that I think sometimes we might expect too much.

Maybe you are right on the expecting too much. but i have to agree with @cenros , that scene was a major development and needed a bit more amphasis. it did leave a small hunger

 

[BgileMunro]

Maybe you are right on the expecting too much. but i have to agree with @cenros , that scene was a major development and needed a bit more amphasis. it did leave a small hunger

I actually agree with you on that. Leana is a very important character and I'd have liked him to spend more time with her and be nicer and not so brutal. And if you choose to leave her be you miss an important scene and story development and some really hot images, so it's not really a viable option. She seems to be fine, but that stretches credibility for me just a bit.

 

[Nastastic]

Hey @ketzal ! The Leana sex animation scene must have almost another extra angle. That scene means a first time so why the animation angle was so generic? In the other hand the image angle renders before the animation are excellent! But when the MC start to pierce the fruit... angle swap and leave the "something is missing " taste.
This scene is already done or could be fixed on the next update?

One of the best AVN created at the moment!

That scene was special, but I don't think he has to come up with unique angles or ways of showing things for every scene. He has done so well that I think sometimes we might expect too much.

Maybe you are right on the expecting too much. but i have to agree with @cenros , that scene was a major development and needed a bit more amphasis. it did leave a small hunger

I actually agree with you on that. Leana is a very important character and I'd have liked him to spend more time with her and be nicer and not so brutal. And if you choose to leave her be you miss an important scene and story development and some really hot images, so it's not really a viable option. She seems to be fine, but that stretches credibility for me just a bit.

I had the same question a while back:

Ramvivat and Nicest_Incest are right in that young girls are physiologically capable of orgasm (and that if handled correctly, Leana could have had a good time). Ramvivat has run upon an instance where official Soviet state atheism apparently allowed the communication of facts not readily available in U.S. schools, where the amount of sex education students receive is inversely proportionate to the strength of the Religious Right in that particular state and/or community...and can run the gamut from abstinence-only with an emphasis on sexual "purity" (the onus of which falls almost entirely on girls to avoid "tempting" boys, who, through little fault of their own, may become uncontrollably rapey with lust at the sight of a well-turned ankle) all the way up to frank discussions of sexuality and gender diversity (though to my knowledge, nowhere in America do they teach about pleasure, which I believe is on the curriculum in at least some European countries).

Spoiler: The problem

The issue with the scene as presented is that with no foreplay and using only whatever wetness a 10-year-old girl might have secreted during the act of sucking daddy's cock for maybe five minutes, the MC turns her over and with no problem at all minus a bit of initial pain on her part, shoves his "giant magic cock of an AVN MC" into her pussy balls-deep and starts hard-fucking her, ramming her as she were a veteran whore. The only game I've seen where this is even more extreme (especially given the rarity of sex in games with girls this young) is the game ExperimentAI (available on this site) in which the MC is fucking FIVE-YEAR-OLD girls in a similar manner (justified in that game by being characters in a simulation). He doesn't go down on her first, he doesn't insert a finger or two to check how tight she is and prepare the way (and before the bloodhounds get started, there was no blood in the scene anyway) and he certainly doesn't spend any time (up to even several sessions) slowly training her to take bigger and bigger insertions with a set of dildos, not to mention possibly putting her on Kegel exercises. And his entire 12 inches (30 cm) or so are never going to fit into a 10 year old girl (he would be lucky to get halfway in before hitting her cervix). In reality, this experience as depicted would be at best extremely unpleasant for Leana, possibly to the point of feeling raped, going to the authorities and...game over.

Granted, ketzal is not trying to be realistic here. He is portraying a fantasy for a mostly male viewership (most guys prefer fapping to a hard, fast fuck than to slow, gentle lovemaking). So, don't take it too seriously, I guess.

This is what ketzal had to say about it:

I understand your vision on this scene. But I think there is something you are not taking into account. This scene is not the culmination of Leana's desire for her father, but the culmination of MC's perversion for his 10-year-old daughter. He says this a few minutes before. He just wants to use her body, to use her. For a more romantic, more tender and maybe even longer approach it will have to wait. It is up to the player to decide how he wants to treat Leana. The game puts into perspective the personality of a man corrupted and perverted by the surrounding women. It is up to the player to decide whether he will continue this "tradition" or change things. So the whole too strong, too fast thing is just the player's decision. But I understand perfectly your impression. Don't forget that the game is not over and that the player will soon have the choice (he has already chosen without knowing it), to go more tenderly with "his" girls.

You can choose to not deflower Leana in this scene, and if you started the game over like I didn't the FIRST time I played this scene (and posted my question) but had done by the SECOND time I played the scene, all the variables are set correctly and the game acknowledges that you did not fuck Leana yet (not having restarted led to dialogue indicating you had fucked her even if you didn't). So there should be an opportunity later in the game to give Leana a much better experience.

 

[S7aard]

Ended too soon

Love this game! Great renders and story

 

[Nastastic]

Ended too soon

Love this game! Great renders and story

Probably not what you meant, but this game is nowhere NEAR over. I'm sure ketzal has lots of great stuff planned for us.

 

[Beduin123]

Probably not what you meant, but this game is nowhere NEAR over. I'm sure ketzal has lots of great stuff planned for us.

Any predictions for the date of the next update?

 

[User_12]

Any predictions for the date of the next update?

If I had to bet, I would say this month.

 

[S7aard]

Probably not what you meant, but this game is nowhere NEAR over. I'm sure ketzal has lots of great stuff planned for us.

Yea, it can't end until we see baby bumps on all the lolis ?

 

[jackkane87]

difference between family path and bonds of blood path?

 

[Nastastic]

difference between family path and bonds of blood path?

Family path = Collect 'em all!

Bonds of blood path = Incest characters only