discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[Nicest_Incest]

Jeez tell us how you really feel. It's what he had to do ok? Calling it garbage just because you don't like that Aldor had to make a change is really shallow. Clearly you were never a fan of his work to begin with

Actually he's not at all the only one that feels that way and I'm saying that as a former fan that used to give him $15/mo for over 2 years (ultimately a waste of ~$400 with half an AVN to show for it so ended up screwed over yet again, it's why I now give money to no dev that doesn't have their own site, crypto wallet and at least one other already-finished AVN and neither should anyone else without those 3 things if they have a lick of financial sense with a healthy dose of skepticism when it comes to people asking for money, esp true for those that would rather avoid giving more financial incentive for more censorship by any means available). He didn't have to do shit instead of what he actually did. He could have simply played it smart and carried on and not put SSP/EGBE on any platform at all and let the fronts finance it like BHG, Ruyiku and a few others now do but apparently 1200 SS subs wasn't enough so he did stupid shit that made the predictable happen despite advice from multiple Discord members not to when he announced his plans like a week beforehand to put SSP/EGBE dl links back on his front's page 9 months after SS told him to remove those or be banned. And as far as I'm concerned anything good enough for Patreon is garbage/slop to me (it's a filter I now use for any new AVN I see at all, that link is now synonymous with slop to me and has been for over a year as far as my preferences) so I knew better than to even dl the remade version for those prudes. The previous post just confirmed my assumptions but sounds even worse than I assumed.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Yes, Patreon is very censored, it doesn't allow loli, incest, or rape games.

or bestiality, blackmail, and a list of 50 other things that make any AVN worthwhile at all. Hell currently only the Hays' Code is worse but I'm sure it will surpass that in few years. Only thing they need to do now is ban even hand-drawn sex altogether. Maybe then devs will quit wasting everyone's time and make their own damned site with front projects financing what fans actualy want.

 

[UZTO]

Jeez tell us how you really feel. It's what he had to do ok? Calling it garbage just because you don't like that Aldor had to make a change is really shallow. Clearly you were never a fan of his work to begin with

I'll tell you what's shallow. Compromise and censorship. That's what these developers do. ALL OF THEM. They all sabotage their own games just to be on Patreon. We can't have anything with incest, shota or loli. Only shallow implications of it. Every game without a patch is landlady this or college student that because of how they all bend the knee to our puritanical overlords. Therefore, I don't respect developers who cave by doing what they 'have' to do instead of doing what they clearly 'want' to do.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I'll tell you what's shallow. Compromise and censorship. That's what these developers do. ALL OF THEM. They all sabotage their own games just to be on Patreon. We can't have anything with incest, shota or loli. Only shallow implications of it. Every game without a patch is landlady this or college student that because of how they all bend the knee to our puritanical overlords. Therefore, I don't respect developers who cave by doing what they 'have' to do instead of doing what they clearly 'want' to do.

My thoughts exactly, for me fastest way for a dev to lose my support and respect is to be a sellout, bend a knee, shit-can their own artistic integrity, and kiss ass just for an extra $100 on Patreon. Esp when other devs have proven that shit sites like crowdfunding platforms and their dumbass rules (Patreon the worst but not the only one) and restrictions are not needed, even without crypto wallet use: make your own site and launder the money from the usual payment processors via a vanilla-as-fuck front project or 2 like BHG did (no sex at all or only missionary position after marriage for low-priority/low-effort AVNs people sub to but don't actually care about to support the ones they do actually care about that is kept off every site except LC and a few others for free). Ketzal could have went that route but chose the easy way out.

 

[ontach]

I'll tell you what's shallow. Compromise and censorship. That's what these developers do. ALL OF THEM. They all sabotage their own games just to be on Patreon. We can't have anything with incest, shota or loli. Only shallow implications of it. Every game without a patch is landlady this or college student that because of how they all bend the knee to our puritanical overlords. Therefore, I don't respect developers who cave by doing what they 'have' to do instead of doing what they clearly 'want' to do.

My thoughts exactly, for me fastest way for a dev to lose my support and respect is to be a sellout, bend a knee, shit-can their own artistic integrity, and kiss ass just for an extra $100 on Patreon. Esp when other devs have proven that shit sites like crowdfunding platforms and their dumbass rules (Patreon the worst but not the only one) and restrictions are not needed, even without crypto wallet use: make your own site and launder the money from the usual payment processors via a vanilla-as-fuck front project or 2 like BHG did (no sex at all or only missionary position after marriage for low-priority/low-effort AVNs people sub to but don't actually care about to support the ones they do actually care about that is kept off every site except LC and a few others for free). Ketzal could have went that route but chose the easy way out.

I think some discretion and pragmatism is a good thing. If Patreon doesn't allow a certain genre, figuring out a way to bypass the censorship lets you have your cake and eat it too. User defined relationships and ages. Fan made incest patch. Putting up a decoy vanilla game on Patreon so supporters can pay you for the game they actually want and support. Fan made loli patch not shared through Patreon. Plausible deniability is the name of the game.

The stakes are very high. It is all very well for us to decry the lack of gumption on the part of the devs, but if you're jailed for this kind of stuff, you won't last 6 months in prison. The other prisoners will see to that.

 

[LoveAVN4ever]

I'll tell you what's shallow. Compromise and censorship. That's what these developers do. ALL OF THEM. They all sabotage their own games just to be on Patreon. We can't have anything with incest, shota or loli. Only shallow implications of it. Every game without a patch is landlady this or college student that becaeuse of how they all bend the knee to our puritanical overlords. Therefore, I don't respect developers who cave by doing what they 'have' to do instead of doing what they clearly 'want' to do.

You clearly have a one sided perspective and don't understand the difficulty of what he went through. How is he supposed to keep making the game when he's not able to freely post his work and or make money from it? The white knights that can't tell the difference between real and fiction would keep targeting him and he wouldn't be able to survive since it's his full time job to make VNs. They do what they have to do in order to SURVIVE and put food on the table and pay the bills. Loli is a great genre but is heavily targeted. Even with the current ones that exist, they have to tread extremely carefully. It's just reality. Whether you like it or not

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I think some discretion and pragmatism is a good thing. If Patreon doesn't allow a certain genre, figuring out a way to bypass the censorship lets you have your cake and eat it too. User defined relationships and ages. Fan made incest patch. Putting up a decoy vanilla game on Patreon so supporters can pay you for the game they actually want and support. Fan made loli patch not shared through Patreon. Plausible deniability is the name of the game.

The stakes are very high. It is all very well for us to decry the lack of gumption on the part of the devs, but if you're jailed for this kind of stuff, you won't last 6 months in prison. The other prisoners will see to that.

There have been instances where a dev was banned even when he had nothing to do with the patch and relationship setters no longer fly either (it's why some AVNs have started with them and then removed that option in later updates, bait and switch at it's finest). They even stalk devs all over the internet to enforce that and devs agree to that bullshit stalking when they put it on Patreon. Besides all that really no one should give money to any platfrom to anyone that's on them that does that shit if they care about privacy and censorship at all. Agreeing to that dumb shit just emboldens them and financially supports it. I've said it before but I'd rather fund terrorism if I have to pick one.

As far as being jailed it depends on location, it's why he left France/Europe. A number of countries still don't care one bit about loli games or AVNs since there is no real victim. Some California judges have specifically stated exactly that during a few proceedings that have refused to indict (so essentially they were arrested and released either immediately after the paperwork or during the first court appearance a few days to a week or 2 later). In the US only a few select targets have been arrested that plea bargained due to not being able to lawyer up, which they shouldn't have agreed to and took it to trial. The cases would probably have been dropped after the bluff was called since obscenity is nearly impossible to successfully prosecute (WTF does "having no artistic value" even mean?), other than Mr. Double and his site but that is an extreme example that demonstrably got real kids raped and killed (and even that was fine for nearly 20 years, so if one is already old make whatever illustrated literature you want no matter where you are, odds are you will die of natural causes before getting arrested if precautions like logless VPNs are used).

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Believe it or not he's still alive after 5 years in. Most likely in an SNY unit with like-minded people and has been trading stories most of that time, if he's simply not kept in protective custody/solitary confinement/the hole for his own protection. The idea that every creep and p3do that ends up arrested also ends up murdered soon after is a myth mixed with bit of mass wishful thinking, at least in US federal prisons. Sure, some like Jeff Epstein do, but most have security that makes that exceedingly difficult, esp if sent to a supermax like ADX Florence when they are kept in their own 7x12 cell 24/7 (where that is probably the safest/coziest place in the world for them). But him in particular is in FCI Marion (medium security and still not dead after 5 years, go figure, at 70yo age will most likely get him before some other inmate will and he now has better healthcare anyway than most on the outside so the possibility is there to get released at 97yo in 2053).

 

[Nicest_Incest]

You clearly have a one sided perspective and don't understand the difficulty of what he went through. How is he supposed to keep making the game when he's not able to freely post his work and or make money from it? The white knights that can't tell the difference between real and fiction would keep targeting him and he wouldn't be able to survive since it's his full time job to make VNs. They do what they have to do in order to SURVIVE and put food on the table and pay the bills. Loli is a great genre but is heavily targeted. Even with the current ones that exist, they have to tread extremely carefully. It's just reality. Whether you like it or not

Make money with a low-priority front AVN. Post the problem AVNs the fans actually want for free on sites like this one and only this one. Like BHG he had enough fans to do that. And like I said before he was doing exactly that just fine for 9 months until a stupid move predictably got him banned. Why? If 1200 subs and probably several thousand $ a month still wasn't enough then he's just being a greedy bastard.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

VPNs can also be traced; they aren't as secure as you think.

dunno how if configured right and there's no logs kept unless they've got a virus pinging LE at regular intervals or something similar (which could be legally challenged as warrantless if it came to that). There's been several cases during C P investigations where the FBI traced an IP to a VPN, showed up at that VPN's physical location asking for logs, told they don't keep any (and until it's legally required it's not in a VPN's business interest to do so when their selling point is privacy/anonymity and will probably never happen as long as digital privacy advocates have their way), so that was the end of the investigation or at least that path of it.

 

[Gashly]

There's a guy on WTF who used to sell his game hidden behind crypto.
Well, for good reasons...

 

[Shiz]

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[nulldev]

On Jan 29, 2026, I wrote this to @Nicest_Incest in this thread:
"Man, you really need to touch grass, unwatch this thread and lose this hate-boner, you have. Last 10 days you wrote ten post in this thread, all filled with dev bashing, "patreon slop", and "sellout". We heard your message already. Let it go."

Today, after 259 days, I can wrote the same again!
But now he only needed 2 days to write 9 posts in an abandoned game thread bashing the dev...
Maybe the grass wasn't enough, try medication.

 

[UZTO]

All I can say is if I was a hentai game developer, I wouldn't capitulate in the extraordinarily cringe way I see all of them do. The "choose your own relationship" options that inevitably lead to annoying contextual, grammar and capitalization errors. Explicitly stating character ages when you could just let the player decide that. Showing said characters engage in ostentatiously adult activities like drinking, driving, attending college, living alone, etc. The most egregious of them all is when they age up shotas in particular by giving them facial and/or body hair. Like the moronic asshole developer of Living with Vicky, he didn't just bend the knee, he bent both knees by doing all of those things. Went so overboard to make his shota look more manly that it was kinda gay AF. It's infuriating to see potential crash and burn like that for the sake of reach.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

On Jan 29, 2026, I wrote this to @Nicest_Incest in this thread:
"Man, you really need to touch grass, unwatch this thread and lose this hate-boner, you have. Last 10 days you wrote ten post in this thread, all filled with dev bashing, "patreon slop", and "sellout". We heard your message already. Let it go."

Today, after 259 days, I can wrote the same again!
But now he only needed 2 days to write 9 posts in an abandoned game thread bashing the dev...
Maybe the grass wasn't enough, try medication.

If that's the case there's legions that need medication besides just me. Why do you care anyway? Maybe follow your own advice and just ignore the thread of a dead AVN if it bothers you.

 

[nulldev]

All I can say is if I was a hentai game developer, I wouldn't capitulate in the extraordinarily cringe way I see all of them do. The "choose your own relationship" options that inevitably lead to annoying contextual, grammar and capitalization errors. Explicitly stating character ages when you could just let the player decide that. Showing said characters engage in ostentatiously adult activities like drinking, driving, attending college, living alone, etc. The most egregious of them all is when they age up shotas in particular by giving them facial and/or body hair. Like the moronic asshole developer of Living with Vicky, he didn't just bend the knee, he bent both knees by doing all of those things. Went so overboard to make his shota look more manly that it was kinda gay AF. It's infuriating to see potential crash and burn like that for the sake of reach.

So where is your game.... I thought.
It's easy to beat the stinging nettle with someone else's dick.

 

[nulldev]

If that's the case there's legions that need medication besides just me. Why do you care anyway? Maybe follow your own advice and just ignore the thread of a dead AVN if it bothers you.

Maybe I'm interested other players opinion about this game.

 

[UZTO]

So where is your game.... I thought.
It's easy to beat the stinging nettle with someone else's dick.

Contrary to what fanboys believe, you don't have to be a developer to criticize them. Especially when they all keep doing the same thing.

 

[Whatever20232425]

EGBE was revived by another person, maybe this one can be too? I will hope for it

 

[yoyomistro]

One of the worst parts of the demonetization of non-vanilla content has been the explosion of NTR as the only acceptable non-vanilla, non-BDSM genre on mainstream platforms, so all the good non-vanilla content has been replaced with NTR slop, 75% of which is AI bullshit. You can probably find one decent incest game every 3 months or so now, which will probably end up abandoned, and a decent non-con incest game that isn't a Bad Bobby clone is like a pipe dream.