discussion (SHIT TALK) Corrupted Love [RIC0H]

[MattShizzle]

For those whom dislike the changes, I mean it is a ren'py game at moment. If you have an older copy and "demake" it, you can put/change the content to degrees through backdooring the developer console to allow you to decompile it. Granted, per license agreements and dev's rights, you may probably not be able to distro the modified or patched game in any manner, but theoretically you should be able to rebuild aspects of the game.

Now, presuming Dev was smart and encryption locked game, so you cannot cheat or demake it, because well people should do such things so that no one tampers with games ny injecting malware n redistrobution of infected games n such what not. Like that's bad news. But there are some ways(which I will not go into) to demake such a game, which so long as you are only demaking/modding it for your own use with no distrobution, im theory should all be ok isn't it? Or has that changed?

Point is, why don't ppl usually do this when encountering revamps they dislike?

Mostly because they don't have the slightest idea how.

 

[Here4thefap]

I mean if you can't acknowledge that perving on the underage daughter of some woman you just met is creepy then you are a lost cause. I loved the game along with it's creepy parts but we can't be denying that MC is a creep.

All that said I've been told that the loli/creepy content would eventually make it back into the game so I'll give them the benefit of the doubt for now but I'm gonna hold off on playing it until them. It's just not the same when the lolis go unmolested.

I am a lost cause, never stated otherwise And let's face it, borderline any VN is creepy, considering they are usually about building a family harem of cumsluts. Regardless of what story plays out and how it's written, that's still the basic outline.

And yeah, needs to lewd them lolis. The game like I said, for me, had more or less only that going for it, so with that gone, its a big meeeeeh from me

 

[ramvivat]

You can not insult the Dev in any way.

does the criticising will equate as insulting?
because characters not talk at his own will - characters not have will, characters tell what whisper him autor =)
and when characters acts non-logically - it is not their will.
do the autor receive criticising adequatelly?

It’s not that I now have something that could be blamed on the author, while there is nothing to criticize the author for, but suddenly it will appear, and I need to be on the safe side in advance =)

 

[Tiur]

Point is, why don't ppl usually do this when encountering revamps they dislike?

Because this takes a lot more technical capability and knowledge than the vast majority of people have, whether in the AVN community or not. Even for someone who does have that technical capability and knowledge (or is willing to learn), it is a lot of effort for something that will never again be updated.

As the dev continues to add more content to the new, neutered version of the game in future updates, the game's story continues, but a 'recreated' version like this wouldn't continue without someone recreating all the models themselves anyway. Better to just keep using the link to the 'last good' version, if that's what people want.

Personally, when a dev does this, the game's done and dead to me, since I'd rather move on to a different game that has a chance of being completed in the form I had enjoyed it.

Also, if someone had that technical capability and knowledge, I'd rather they create something new themselves, to see what they're capable of.

 

[h3n741.g33k]

Because this takes a lot more technical capability and knowledge than the vast majority of people have, whether in the AVN community or not. Even for someone who does have that technical capability and knowledge (or is willing to learn), it is a lot of effort for something that will never again be updated.

As the dev continues to add more content to the new, neutered version of the game in future updates, the game's story continues, but a 'recreated' version like this wouldn't continue without someone recreating all the models themselves anyway. Better to just keep using the link to the 'last good' version, if that's what people want.

Personally, when a dev does this, the game's done and dead to me, since I'd rather move on to a different game that has a chance of being completed in the form I had enjoyed it.

Also, if someone had that technical capability and knowledge, I'd rather they create something new themselves, to see what they're capable of.

Well idk, maybe it was growing up in the 90s and 2000s. Back then games unless racing or multiplayer/ matches vs AI of same thing over an over, once you beat a story game, that was it. Of course we'd also replay them obv as not much else to do but the bit of dead ending on updates, it was never really a problem for me.

But, at same time, once you demake the assets of a Ren'py game, you have all those raw assets that you can now do what ever you want with.

Due to Daz to R'py pipeline though, you're right, it's not like you can shoot new cinematic sequences in a 3d level space in real time. BUT, if you don't feel like modeling the characters again in Daz or another form, there is another way now to make new footage using only the stock footage suplied by earlier beta of the game. Well really there are two or three ways but only one is something that might be the more feasible route.

So using all existing footage from cutscenes, all available sprites and doing some OBS live screen records to show some variation in between, you can currently set up processes in which AI will generate the game characters as provided by training on that footage. Once the training is done, the AI can rotoscope the 3D models on to basically anything. You could have a sock puppet on a fingerpainted backdrop do the previz footage and the AI will be able to map X or Y game character to that sock puppet and procedurally gen an environmemt to match.

There are some issues to this: 1) you can't real time render scene output from level play areas. 2) it gets a bit buggy and is hard to work with and 3) it is effectively still frame animation with AI img gen over nearly every frame. So its highly time comsuming and data heavy.

Alternatively, you could "slice edit" all video footage until you have a 365 view of your captors habits. Meaning cyttibg frames and mini seqyences from each AI resource. Meaning you could manually edit it and optimize/run or spy on it. But it would take years in doing that.

 

[Tiur]

Well idk, maybe it was growing up in the 90s and 2000s. Back then games unless racing or multiplayer/ matches vs AI of same thing over an over, once you beat a story game, that was it. Of course we'd also replay them obv as not much else to do but the bit of dead ending on updates, it was never really a problem for me.

I grew up in the same timeframe (actually, a bit earlier; I was well into adulthood by 2000), but this ignores the fact that the vast majority of AVNs are NOT complete games. They are games in progress, with the stories half-finished so far (or less!).

But, at same time, once you demake the assets of a Ren'py game, you have all those raw assets that you can now do what ever you want with.

This is not true. You have the code and the renders. That's it. (Plus any audio and video files used in the game.) You cannot make new renders, because you do not have the assets: the 3D models, skins, morphs, maps/environments, lighting, etc.

Cutting the rest of your post, since it just repeats the process of using much more complicated and difficult means to achieve decidedly sub-par results. You do not get assets from a Ren'Py game when you unrpa and unrpyc. You get images and (sometimes) movie and sound files. That's it. If the game is designed using sprites, you also get sprites, which MIGHT let you kinda fake it for a while. Last time I looked at this game, though, it did not use sprites. Every image was separately rendered from Daz. So the most someone could do with the images extracted from it would be to repeat existing renders, or hack/Photoshop parts of those same images into "new" images.

Basically, like I said before: far too much work for far too little gain. There is no good reason anyone would want to do this.

 

[h3n741.g33k]

I grew up in the same timeframe (actually, a bit earlier; I was well into adulthood by 2000), but this ignores the fact that the vast majority of AVNs are NOT complete games. They are games in progress, with the stories half-finished so far (or less!).


This is not true. You have the code and the renders. That's it. (Plus any audio and video files used in the game.) You cannot make new renders, because you do not have the assets: the 3D models, skins, morphs, maps/environments, lighting, etc.

Cutting the rest of your post, since it just repeats the process of using much more complicated and difficult means to achieve decidedly sub-par results. You do not get assets from a Ren'Py game when you unrpa and unrpyc. You get images and (sometimes) movie and sound files. That's it. If the game is designed using sprites, you also get sprites, which MIGHT let you kinda fake it for a while. Last time I looked at this game, though, it did not use sprites. Every image was separately rendered from Daz. So the most someone could do with the images extracted from it would be to repeat existing renders, or hack/Photoshop parts of those same images into "new" images.

Basically, like I said before: far too much work for far too little gain. There is no good reason anyone would want to do this.

yes and no. Yes all you get is the videos and images. No, Im not quite talking photoshop hack here. There are two main options

1) use AI to deepfake new images and once you have enough of those "talking faking young luke in mandalorian level or at least approaching it" you can make footage from that. It can be any footage you can think of as you will be able to generate tge character from any angle under any lighting, in any outfit. You need a truly staggering amount of images to do this but it can actually be done. Disney's been doing it for almost 5 or 7 years now.

2) you meet half way and do it manually. So you take the footage from the scenes, focus one character at a time, and you extract an image every X amount of frames for that character. You put it into a PNG sheet and you can now stop motion billboard that character doing that animation. Do this for enough animations and you can recombine frames or use state machines to make new animations.

All you need are base animations for each character. Walking, running, sitting down, going "watermelon watermelon watermelon..." with speaking expresions, and now you can make that character, walk from that angle and speak in any environment you set and apply lighting treatment in post processing overlay to mesh character to the environment. This is technically a lot harder than doing AI deep fake method, but you could do it far more efficiently and quickly, by capturing and distilling only what you need to use.

You'll need a lot more than walking and talking but the over all process remains the same. And yes you'll have to build/rebuild the levels, or since rverything is billboarded you could instead do a 2D point & click environment.

 

[John544]

Quiero decir, si no puedes reconocer que pervertir a la hija menor de edad de una mujer que acabas de conocer es espeluznante, entonces eres una causa perdida. Me encantó el juego junto con sus partes espeluznantes, pero no podemos negar que MC es un asqueroso.

Dicho todo esto, me dijeron que el contenido loli/espeluznante eventualmente volvería al juego, así que les daré el beneficio de la duda por ahora, pero pospondré jugarlo hasta que lo hagan. Simplemente no es lo mismo cuando las lolis no son molestadas.

but that's why it's fantasy fiction because these stories will never happen in life, that's what makes it interesting and attractive.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

does the criticising will equate as insulting?
because characters not talk at his own will - characters not have will, characters tell what whisper him autor =)
and when characters acts non-logically - it is not their will.
do the autor receive criticising adequatelly?

It’s not that I now have something that could be blamed on the author, while there is nothing to criticize the author for, but suddenly it will appear, and I need to be on the safe side in advance =)

You're free to talk shit about the models and it's game. Lol. But insult to developer of the game is not allowed for various reasons. Rather the Moderators likes them or not, we still treat them as equal.

You can criticize the path that the Developer is taking but there can be no insults. Like... "I hate how this Dev chose to take out the Lolis." or "I hate how the Dev made the models ugly!" but you can't say "This Dev is fucking retarded!" or anything related to that. That could easily get you a warning point and your post deleted.

Although, if it were for my game (You can see it in my signature), I would've taken it out of there and allow people to get it out of their system, even if it's about me or the game. But we voted as a group and decided this course of action. So I'm respecting it and going along with it.

 

[Inko Midoriya]

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Dude stole the name from my friend Airell and I called RIC0H out directly in dev chat to his face and he said he would change it... He is trying to use Airell's clout to avoid the lolice.

Airell is too nice, but me... I will defend my friends and Airell has been a good one to me. Supporting me since day one with Projekt Moon.

 

[dagos442]

where can i get the older ver he ruined it but he old one was great link the old one please

 

[MattShizzle]

where can i get the older ver he ruined it but he old one was great link the old one please

Good luck with that. He removed it everywhere most likely after the stuff in Australia happened.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

where can i get the older ver he ruined it but he old one was great link the old one please

Good luck with that. He removed it everywhere most likely after the stuff in Australia happened.

In the main thread on here, despite the name changed to 'Unexpected Family', look for a spoiler called "Older Version". It SHOULD be in there.

 

[tyrannicpuppy]

That's why I made sure I kept the older version when he announced the change. Wasn't gonna lose the April scene. Changed the name of the folder to DO NOT DELETE. New version could be alright, but it's gonna have lost a lot of the magic. Shame. Fuck the police, lol.

 

[JHanToGa]

The game is dead since he removed the loli stuff. RIP Love and Corruption

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Watch out on dissing the devs, folks.

SeveredRealms took the thread ownership of all the (SHIT TALK) threads from Mr. Tearson and gave it to Dean the bot.

He doesn't approve of these threads in the first place and is a bit salty that they exist.

In one of the other threads he specifically asked us NOT to disparage the devs, only the games.

Well, in some cases the devs deserve to get shat on by everybody for the choices they make (no, simply deciding to add an optional NTR scene or other unpopular kink is not a good reason, but taking money for a loli AVN for a number of months or years and then deciding to remove the lolis and keep the money should be). Most of the time I simply let my wallet do the shitting and unsub and never sub to them again when I even get a hint of that is what is going to happen.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

For those whom dislike the changes, I mean it is a ren'py game at moment. If you have an older copy and "demake" it, you can put/change the content to degrees through backdooring the developer console to allow you to decompile it. Granted, per license agreements and dev's rights, you may probably not be able to distro the modified or patched game in any manner, but theoretically you should be able to rebuild aspects of the game.

Now, presuming Dev was smart and encryption locked game, so you cannot cheat or demake it, because well people should do such things so that no one tampers with games ny injecting malware n redistrobution of infected games n such what not. Like that's bad news. But there are some ways(which I will not go into) to demake such a game, which so long as you are only demaking/modding it for your own use with no distrobution, in theory should all be ok isn't it? Or has that changed?

Point is, why don't ppl usually do this when encountering revamps they dislike?

Essentially no one gives a shit about licenses or dev rights on pirate sites like here, particularly with devs like this one that have royally screwed most of their former fanbase. Unren or decompile it and have at it if one has the time, skill, and inclination and reupload it as an "improved uncensored/intended" version, fuck their rights. As far as why this doesn't actually happen often my guess is AVNs are a niche anyway, so the pool of people with the skill, time and inclination to do so is small to begin with. And some AVNs are just not that popular (100 subs = maybe 5k fans in total in the entire world) even before revamps turn them to shit. I'm still wondering why little AVNs that have like 500 subs or whatever (ie Farmer's Dreams, Where The Heart Is, etc) seem to get fan-made incest patches left and right, yet the bigger ones like Being a DIK (16k subs or so) still no incest mod after 4 years (make Josy or Zoey the MC's sis, dammit) meanwhile Sims 4 gets a loli patch to where the censorship mosaic is removed, you can romance/fuck your and your neighbor's kids, and make everyone nudists (though that one has millions of fans with thousands of demented perverts, so that was bound to happen).

 

[User_30792]

Does the game continue from here? I really couldn't tell from the previous discussion.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Does the game continue from here? I really couldn't tell from the previous discussion.

In effect no, as after 0.72 it's essentially not the same AVN anymore, not just a title change (worse than not standing out among thousands of other vanilla AVNs it also has both plot and image holes in it where loli scenes used to be, dunno if that was fixed in 0.8 or not, not wasting time or money on it to find out.

Edit Feb 8 2024: Now mostly back to the way it was, just no lewd orphanage girls (ie April). Still sucks, but better than the previous demolition job.

 

[Tosser]

In the main thread on here, despite the name changed to 'Unexpected Family', look for a spoiler called "Older Version". It SHOULD be in there.

There are a few "older versions"; is the original "SE" or one of the others? I saw on the general thread that "version 7" had all been updated, but that there was an "older" version 7 as well. Thanks for the help.

Edit: Seems none of the Win "SE" versions are all down.