discussion NTR is not a dream, its a nightmare. Just say NO to NTR!

[WhiteVanDaycare]

Where is the neither option? Someone promoting their game makes me think they are going to keep working on it, mention of NTR just gets me hot and bothered (in the good way ).

 

[dickness all around]

the game we were talking about is pokemon babysitter which is not my game, but the OP purchased a ad to sticky his game on latest updates, i do have a game but its not released lol & its probably way more fucked up than most new games. (fucked up being the tags i use & the scenes like hardcore rape blackmail etc etc)
also i removed hummingbird, i thought it was okay until i actually played it and its a big NOPE for me.

oh well I like anime too much so i didnt check that game, so he added an ad sticky, but does it actually effect the game or does the player just see like a coke sticker in the menu? XD I mean the dev can just use real life stuff inside the game in order to sell, they do it in movies to brainwash us all the time.

the game with the toddler has another problem, the animations are great (if you can endure the overall creepy and very questionable content) but the game lacks a lot of mechanics to make it into an actual game. the dev could just sell the animations and make more money. it doesn't feel like a game yet, i suppose most games start so small so who knows. i was just hoping for an actual management game. half the game is cut in the free version but it's more of the same (a lot more fucked up but more of the same) a focus on animations but not management and character building content. im sure the people in atf probably love it tho, the dev should be making a lot of money from this one. but again that game is basically "jerk off a few times and get bored" so not amazing (like that orc message game if you remember, only this one milks his game hardcore at this point) I will however argue that at least it doesn't seem like the Dev is milking the game yet. this game has a few tags never seen before (probably) so it's super easy to milk it. and most games who start making a lot of money almost always milk the game so...

if anyone is interested I would still argue it would be best to avoid visiting that website but if you want to check out the game, wait 1-2 years. right now it's just a very fucked up soul crushing sex animation game that doesn't really offer much in terms of gameplay mechanics.

 

[Myuhinny]

I have no problem with either one. If DEV wants to pay money to promote their game that's fine plus it is also supporting this site as well. NTR I have no problem with it as long as it's avoidable if not that's fine too as there's plenty of other games to choose from.

 

[WhiteVanDaycare]

All NTR is avoidable, just uninstall.

 

[MadMansKingdom]

I honestly don't understand this whole NTR hate thing that is going around. I'm not a fan of NTR so I don't play the games or read the AVN's that have them. It's that easy. I have other things that I'm not a fan of and don't play those either. I have never once felt the need to start calling people names for the kinks that they do or don't like. I have never once felt the need to bash a developer for adding a kink that I didn't like. I've found TONS of AVN's that don't have NTR and have things that I like. Just because an AVN has a kink you don't like doesn't make it a bad game. It's just not your kind of game. Plus, as far as NTR option, if a developer actually gives you that option, I think that's pretty cool of them! They should not be required to make it optional just for your personal delicate sensibility's. If you don't like something that is tagged, move on to the next title, believe me, there are plenty out there.
As for the advertising, never came across them yet, but if a developer has a chance to earn a little extra money for their hard work, nothing wrong with that. IMO

 

[Mr. Tearson]

I honestly don't understand this whole NTR hate thing

People just don't understand "To each their own". For some reason, kink shaming other people either makes them feel like a hero or it's actually their kinks. I don't really care about NTR, though. I just know it turns a lot of people off.

 

[WhiteVanDaycare]

I am not a loli fan - but I don't have such a problem with it that I feel I need to crusade to eliminate it from existence. Most of the anti-NTR crowd are just waaay too zealous for my tastes. And yea, makes me think they are ashamed it is their own kink (closet NTR fans maybe?).

 

[FANNYMAN231]

As a anti-NTR myself, NTR just hits differently towards us. It physically affects us, it gives us this tightness in our chest as though we were the ones being cheated on. I know that seems utterly ridiculous, but that's the truth.
As much as I don't want to feel that way when reading or watching NTR, it just does. It's kind of like it's hard-wired in our brains that we feel uncomfortable towards NTR.

Because of that, we voice out our distain towards porn with the subject of NTR. Though, I try not to voice out my opinion most of the time, but I feel protective to games that I have taken a liking to, not to be added with NTR.

 

[Aguzy]

As a anti-NTR myself, NTR just hits differently towards us. It physically affects us, it gives us this tightness in our chest as though we were the ones being cheated on. I know that seems utterly ridiculous, but that's the truth.
As much as I don't want to feel that way when reading or watching NTR, it just does. It's kind of like it's hard-wired in our brains that we feel uncomfortable towards NTR.

Because of that, we voice out our distain towards porn with the subject of NTR. Though, I try not to voice out my opinion most of the time, but I feel protective to games that I have taken a liking to, not to be added with NTR.

It's pixels on a screen man. If they are physically affecting you and causing tightness in your chest and you feel like you are being cheated on by these pixels you might be better getting out some more rather than kink shaming others. You aren't in a relationship with your favourite porn actress or your favourite character from a game. Voicing your disdain for others because of their likes is quite petty.

 

[Tiur]

It's pixels on a screen man. If they are physically affecting you and causing tightness in your chest and you feel like you are being cheated on by these pixels you might be better getting out some more rather than kink shaming others. You aren't in a relationship with your favourite porn actress or your favourite character from a game. Voicing your disdain for others because of their likes is quite petty.

This reply reveals the root issue. For a lot of people, games are not the same as porn videos, so comparisons fall flat. For most people, porn actress "characters" are meaningless and shallow, and we aren't making any decisions that affect them. AVN characters on the other hand tend to have fleshed-out storylines and personalities, and in many cases we've made decisions that directly affect how their stories play out. You see, a lot of people (like me) play games where they're making decisions for the main character by immersing themselves in that main character, while others (like you, which I assume from your post) play at a distance, not immersing themselves in any character in particular. It's also related to empathy. I don't like seeing unpleasant things happening to characters I like, because I feel some empathy for them, fictional or not. That you don't doesn't make you any more right, or me any more right. It just means you and I consume the content differently, and your post shows that you don't understand the people who consume it the way I (and a lot of other people) do.

As for NTR specifically, I dislike betrayal except when a person deserves it. Since I immerse in a main character, I don't generally like playing characters who deserve it. Thus, NTR affecting the main character's LIs is unpleasant. The main reason people who dislike NTR are as hostile about it as they are, is that it keeps getting shoehorned into games where it doesn't belong. Games where the MC is a good man, and there have been several updates with no sign of NTR, when suddenly a new character is introduced and starts stealing girls away from the MC. Thus, betrayal of someone who doesn't deserve it, and that same strong distaste, except this time it's about characters we've become fond of. The prime example of this is DMD, where everything was going great until suddenly a ton of emphasis and writing/development effort was shifted to the cuck story, with D wanting to fuck another dude, which felt like a betrayal for a lot of people.

A final note edited in: The poll is specifically about whether you would stop following a creator for these factors. People who stop following over NTR are just doing exactly what everyone wants them to do: they are choosing to not engage with content that disgusts them or that they dislike. No more, no less. Whether you would or wouldn't, you cannot have a legitimate complaint against people who simply choose to stop consuming distasteful (to them) content.

 

[FANNYMAN231]

It's pixels on a screen man. If they are physically affecting you and causing tightness in your chest and you feel like you are being cheated on by these pixels you might be better getting out some more rather than kink shaming others. You aren't in a relationship with your favourite porn actress or your favourite character from a game. Voicing your disdain for others because of their likes is quite petty.

Who said I had disdain for other peoples likes and kinks? I said I had the disdain for games that I like that previously didn't have NTR in them.

And also, if you're shaming me for having emotions for story telling mediums like AVN or porn, then you're also essentially shaming other people for being happy, sad, mad, or any other emotion on shows, movies, and books.

I just wanted to voice why I didn't like NTR, I didn't shame anyone else for liking it. Why I would drop a game if NTR was added on it.

 

[CamDon]

I'm not for or against NTR, but what irritates me is that everyone bitches about it when less than 10% of games even have it. Had to use Cuck95 for the screenshots as they have a lot more games. Anyway, I understand getting upset that your favorite game has it, and if a creator starts putting it into a game you like than I have two suggestions: one stop supporting them or two STOP supporting them. Your wallet talks much better than you coming to a forum to complain. Also, if you have trouble differentiating between reality and fiction, that is a huge problem. If it was real life, and you had an issue with your REAL partner's and cheating, that is completely understandable. Both porn games and porn are fictional, the characters are not real, and they are made to fill a scenario. I'm not trying to come down too hard on anyone but saying that NTR is the same as being cheated on in real life and that it affects you the same seems... strange and downplays how horrible it is when it happens in reality.
Edit: Also, calling yourself an anti-NTR fan might be part of why people think you're kink shaming... Lul

 

[Mr. Tearson]

Because of that, we voice out our distain towards porn with the subject of NTR. Though, I try not to voice out my opinion most of the time, but I feel protective to games that I have taken a liking to, not to be added with NTR.

I appreciate you voicing your opinion. I do have to agree a little with Tiur (where he mentions games are not the same as porn videos). Games are just not the same as real life. Or if it was, I'm pretty sure a shit ton of us would have our own harems and not be addicted to porn sites like these. (We can dream, right?)

Even Blithermoss50 makes a good point with NTR in porn games.

Now if things like that happens in real life, I would wholeheartedly understand because I've been cheated on, used, and thrown to the side for quite a few ladies. Of which, people that's been through that should know they aren't alone.

Beside, having NTR in games is not really the sole purpose of this topic. It's about rather or not you'll leave if there was mere MENTIONS of Advertisement talks or NTR talks.

Nonetheless, to each their own. Everyone opinions is wholeheartedly appreciated(Long as there are no real insults). And no, I didn't see any kink shaming so you're all good long as you keep it about yourself, really. (No enforcing opinions on others or calling them out for having opinions)

 

[Blackface Steve]

People just don't understand "To each their own". For some reason, kink shaming other people either makes them feel like a hero or it's actually their kinks. I don't really care about NTR, though. I just know it turns a lot of people off.

I honestly don't understand this whole NTR hate thing that is going around.

Here's a list:

1. Sneaky DEVS adding NTR in the middle of the game
2. NTRtards egging non-ntr devs into adding NTR
3. DEVS lying or in denial that their game has NTR ("i-it's not NTR b-b-because the MC chooses to get cucked!")
4. """"optional"""" NTR, but there's a big black guy throughout the game flirting and making sexual comments to your love interests.
5. no NTR alert or tag when posting their game somewhere without those tags (i.e. itch.io or patreon)

1 and 2 used to happen a lot in the mid 2010's, when the whole WEG industry started to flowrish due to patreon. This was way before Summertime Saga or any of those rich Patreon games. WEG's were still pretty niche. What'd happen is: NTR guys would beg the dev of a non-ntr game to add NTR with promises of higher donations. The dev would fall for it and add ntr. They would see an increase in patreon money, but at the cost of their entire previous fanbase. And now the dev's new audience expects this type of content to come regularly or they stop donating. Meaning, the dev now has to make the rest of their game NTR or it'd die. The later is what would usually happen. I remember one smaller dev made that mistake then later tried to take it back by remaking their game without NTR. It was a tough lesson to learn, but new devs still fall for this trap. And I believe it's because of those early days that we still feel the blow-back against NTR today.

 

[dickness all around]

This reply reveals the root issue. For a lot of people, games are not the same as porn videos, so comparisons fall flat. For most people, porn actress "characters" are meaningless and shallow, and we aren't making any decisions that affect them. AVN characters on the other hand tend to have fleshed-out storylines and personalities, and in many cases we've made decisions that directly affect how their stories play out. You see, a lot of people (like me) play games where they're making decisions for the main character by immersing themselves in that main character, while others (like you, which I assume from your post) play at a distance, not immersing themselves in any character in particular. It's also related to empathy. I don't like seeing unpleasant things happening to characters I like, because I feel some empathy for them, fictional or not. That you don't doesn't make you any more right, or me any more right. It just means you and I consume the content differently, and your post shows that you don't understand the people who consume it the way I (and a lot of other people) do.

As for NTR specifically, I dislike betrayal except when a person deserves it. Since I immerse in a main character, I don't generally like playing characters who deserve it. Thus, NTR affecting the main character's LIs is unpleasant. The main reason people who dislike NTR are as hostile about it as they are, is that it keeps getting shoehorned into games where it doesn't belong. Games where the MC is a good man, and there have been several updates with no sign of NTR, when suddenly a new character is introduced and starts stealing girls away from the MC. Thus, betrayal of someone who doesn't deserve it, and that same strong distaste, except this time it's about characters we've become fond of. The prime example of this is DMD, where everything was going great until suddenly a ton of emphasis and writing/development effort was shifted to the cuck story, with D wanting to fuck another dude, which felt like a betrayal for a lot of people.

A final note edited in: The poll is specifically about whether you would stop following a creator for these factors. People who stop following over NTR are just doing exactly what everyone wants them to do: they are choosing to not engage with content that disgusts them or that they dislike. No more, no less. Whether you would or wouldn't, you cannot have a legitimate complaint against people who simply choose to stop consuming distasteful (to them) content.

I understand what you're saying if this was a long book you were reading or an anime like Naruto. I don't watch naruto games, I avoid them, but I've spend years with these characters and to watch them in sexual games or whatever it is, is disgusting to me (I can force myself to be aroused, but then I will watch an episode and feel bad about it you get me? that's why I don't do it) but you? it just sounds like an issue of real life. to hate NTR to such a deep way, to be actually be mentally hurt (you aren't playing the same game for years to care enough about the characters) no offense, but people who are in such a state, need to get a girl in the real world, improve social life. just avoid these sites because I don't think it's healthy.

no one here should experience what you go through with these games. I dislike scat so i just skip these scenes, i might read a bit and scroll next but i wont stop playing the game or feel bad. ntr haters/those who just can't accept it no matter what, it just sounds like a deeper issue of real life problems. you do you ofc, I'm just saying... for example I love NTR not because of the sharing itself, but because there's a limit to how much you can do with a single penis. it just adds more content to the game, it's also weird those games where there's only a single male that exist. or the games that try to avoid incest (every porn site added "Step brother" or "step mother" as if we're all non adult idiots) hell most site even avoid loli content which is why more and more people want those. the less you have of something the more of it you want.

it's not healthy for you on any level to be upsad or offended if a character that exists only to be jerked on, is being gangbanged or cheated or R*** or whatever (don't feel bad because that character doesn't exist, and if it does she isn't effected by whatever happens to her in a game. just imagine that Hinata is alright, and whatever happens to her in the sex game doesn't effect the real naruto world wherever that is) if I was like the NTR haters, so emotionally invested in this content that it actually effected me emotionally? I wouldn't fucking be here... it's super unhealthy in my opinion to live like that. I get the being inlove in a character of a movie or an anime, as a child. I also won't judge adults if they invested years of following that character via comics or animation, just don't get a pillow with a picture, and fuck real people, that's all to it. life really isn't complicated.

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[Tiur]

I understand what you're saying if this was a long book you were reading or an anime like Naruto. I don't watch naruto games, I avoid them, but I've spend years with these characters and to watch them in sexual games or whatever it is, is disgusting to me (I can force myself to be aroused, but then I will watch an episode and feel bad about it you get me? that's why I don't do it) but you? it just sounds like an issue of real life. to hate NTR to such a deep way, to be actually be mentally hurt (you aren't playing the same game for years to care enough about the characters) no offense, but people who are in such a state, need to get a girl in the real world, improve social life. just avoid these sites because I don't think it's healthy.

This whole post is a very long-winded way to say "I don't understand that other people may experience content differently from how I do". You've made a very specific determination of what you consider reasonable, and are saying people who have different experiences aren't healthy. Overall, that's pretty shitty of you.

You're also conflating a couple different people's reactions to NTR. I said I dislike it, because I don't like betrayal, and I don't like seeing it happening to a character I'm identifying with (also, because I don't want to experience betrayal in my fictional harem power fantasies). It was someone else who said it affected them just as much as being cheated on IRL would.

Not everyone requires a long acclimatization period to feel empathy for characters like you're saying you do. And not everyone who feels empathy about game characters "needs to get a girl in the real world". You're about as far off as possible in my case, at least, since I've been married for over 20 years, and my wife also enjoys AVNs.

 

[dickness all around]

This whole post is a very long-winded way to say "I don't understand that other people may experience content differently from how I do". You've made a very specific determination of what you consider reasonable, and are saying people who have different experiences aren't healthy. Overall, that's pretty shitty of you.

You're also conflating a couple different people's reactions to NTR. I said I dislike it, because I don't like betrayal, and I don't like seeing it happening to a character I'm identifying with (also, because I don't want to experience betrayal in my fictional harem power fantasies). It was someone else who said it affected them just as much as being cheated on IRL would.

Not everyone requires a long acclimatization period to feel empathy for characters like you're saying you do. And not everyone who feels empathy about game characters "needs to get a girl in the real world". You're about as far off as possible in my case, at least, since I've been married for over 20 years, and my wife also enjoys AVNs.

20 years? holy crap... it is very rare now days so I would argue it is a lie since you're using this site for anything but "research". otherwise well done on what seems to be a very good or very bad marriage. I do hope it's real and that you and your partner have a healthy and amusing sex life and overall relationship together.

I used my own example with Naruto to explain that I understand the feeling, but it doesn't make sense in terms of how the brain works, human logic, for a person to react the same way without first wasting some time to connect with whatever character or real people. that's why I see it as a problem in real life, this is not my opinion but a fact. people are different sure, but strong and healthy minded people like I said, need time to connect on such a level. a person who is so "omg 1 NTR scene fuck this dev i hate this game never gonna touch it again" in a sex video game that he spend a couple of hours or days with, is a big no no...

 

[Deleted member 28264]

I wouldn't call it a "nightmare". When in games, I mean. It doesn't bother me, if a game has NTR. But if there's an option to disable NTR, I disable it. Not because I hate it but because I'm selfish and I want all the women in the game for myself only. I like it being the only man in the harem. If you've played "Serenity" or "Harem Hotel", then you'd know what I mean.
IRL I've been Netorared 1.3. It's not pleasant but... there's plenty of fish in the ocean.

 

[Anon7483]

I am an advocate of TOTAL NTRASH DESTRUCTION, personally.

 

[Anon7483]

Uh...
Who cares? Its just fictional smut in games...
IRL in another case though.

my man you are literally in a thread full of people who care