discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Faded Bonds [0.3] [Whispering Studios]

[SpikeA1]

I hope it Has no Virus?

 

[samus357]

I hope it Has no Virus?

You've posted the same thing on 3 different game threads. It's good that we know your position on this, otherwise I might taken you to be of the "pro-virus" community and just assumed you wanted all the viruses.

 

[Republican Bear]

Like I said before it's vastly improved over the original but the plot has completely changed.

 

[BgileMunro]

The art work is nice and the animations so far are good.

The english is terrible. Even simple editing by a person who speaks good English could improve this a lot.

 

[Beduin123]

Like I said before it's vastly improved over the original but the plot has completely changed.

The english is terrible.

Is the plot OK? I can bear broken English but I cannot stand stupid plots full of cliches. I don't expect War and Peace but some degree of novelty would be appreciated

 

[Nikt_Wazny]

When a person has little free time, he has to selectively choose the games he plays. I will wait to play this game when they add real Smol content. By the way, on this forum the "loli" tag should be split into two. Maybe "loli" and "teen" or "loli" and "smol"?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I like cliffhangers as much as the next pervert but it doesn't count when the update ends right when a lewd scene with a main LI starts. That's getting blueballed and is annoying as fuck.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

When a person has little free time, he has to selectively choose the games he plays. I will wait to play this game when they add real Smol content. By the way, on this forum the "loli" tag should be split into two. Maybe "loli" and "teen" or "loli" and "smol"?

loli and smol are basically the same thing. smol is often used since loli is red-flagged on a lot of sites like Discord. I'm thinking loli and hebe. 12 and under = loli, 13-17 = hebe, 18+ = boring vanilla that needs no tag of it's own. Stepcest needs spun off the incest tag as a tag of it's own as well, since people looking for incest porn 99% of which couldn't give 2 fucks about stepcest; that just annoys them to the point it'd be better not existing in the first place and cluttering up search results rather than catering to CC companies' censorship (that for some weird reason to them stepcest is fine when blood relative fucking is not). I mean think about it: fucking your real mom is so much riskier than your stepmom (legal risk, inbred baby risk, social risk, etc) and that risk is all the difference on whether it is sexually hot or not for those into incest. I mean shit fucking your step-relatives is no different than fucking just another friend you happen to know, only difference is you happen to also live in the same house with them.

 

[sincinbearcity]

There's already the teen tag, but it's rarely used.

 

[Fragmaster_83]

Yeah, I was wondering why the loli tag. Also, the game states all characters are 18+. And there is no option to change the ages. I do agree, though, that the models are pleasing to the eyes.

The Little Cousin is definitely a loli. But only available with the smol patch and until now not much content with her.

 

[HardDaddyTimes]

The Little Cousin is definitely a loli. But only available with the smol patch and until now not much content with her.

I think someone explained that it was a flashback.

 

[Nikt_Wazny]

loli and smol are basically the same thing. smol is often used since loli is red-flagged on a lot of sites like Discord. I'm thinking loli and hebe. 12 and under = loli, 13-17 = hebe, 18+ = boring vanilla that needs no tag of it's own. Stepcest needs spun off the incest tag as a tag of it's own as well, since people looking for incest porn 99% of which couldn't give 2 fucks about stepcest; that just annoys them to the point it'd be better not existing in the first place and cluttering up search results rather than catering to CC companies' censorship (that for some weird reason to them stepcest is fine when blood relative fucking is not). I mean think about it: fucking your real mom is so much riskier than your stepmom (legal risk, inbred baby risk, social risk, etc) and that risk is all the difference on whether it is sexually hot or not for those into incest. I mean shit fucking your step-relatives is no different than fucking just another friend you happen to know, only difference is you happen to also live in the same house with them.

Loli is the term for any woman/girl who has a petite figure and small breasts, regardless of age. However, the term "smol" is ONLY used to refer to underage girls aged 12 or less who do not have breasts. (Those little girls who have big breasts have their own category.)

 

[Lolilovers]

Does this mean the game will have the sex with the loli?
Is that why it got change in game+?
I mean other game that has smoll chara still in normal category, but who knows

 

[Tiur]

Does this mean the game will have the sex with the loli?
Is that why it got change in game+?
I mean other game that has smoll chara still in normal category, but who knows

Probably not. There aren't any smols in the actual game. There is a single character/shot that could theoretically qualify as a smol, but it's exclusively in a flashback scene, and the character in question is a non-smol adult in the game's present day when the MC and she have the option to start a sexual relationship. She's less petite than any of the daughters (as seen in the preview images).

A lot of games that happened to have the "loli" tag got tossed in Games+ for no good reason, since they're not banned elsewhere (and some of them don't even have content that would require a patch elsewhere, including this one).

Fundamentally, games get put in Games+ or not by people (LC staff), who are fallible and make mistakes. Pretty often, with something manual like this. Don't take tags or flair as gospel, and do your own research on the game if you're wondering.

Spoiler: The Scenes and Character in Question

Here are the only shots that contain a character that could be considered a smol or loli:

There's a few more lines of dialogue, then an animation of the MC railing Melissa's mother without Melissa moving at all, followed by this:

And here she is in the game's current day:

tl;dr: This is not a loli/smol game in any way, unless someone knows something no one on F95 or LC know, since the dev isn't talking anywhere anymore after the initial negative reaction to Pre-Rework 0.1. The tag doesn't really belong here despite it being technically appropriate, and since the game hasn't been banned anywhere, it doesn't belong in Games+.

Edited to add note: There are still some images in the game files (but never shown in the game) from the original Pre-Rework version that showed the MC's nieces, who are smaller than his daughters, but were tied up in the now-scrapped NTR storyline with the sister, so we don't know if they'll even show up again post-Rework. If curious, this is them:

Spoiler

And to answer the inevitable question about those two? "Who knows. Things have changed since these images were in the game, and the dev doesn't talk outside Discord anymore that I know of."

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Loli is the term for any woman/girl who has a petite figure and small breasts, regardless of age. However, the term "smol" is ONLY used to refer to underage girls aged 12 or less who do not have breasts. (Those little girls who have big breasts have their own category.)

who started that definition? seems like it'd be the reverse, since loli is shorthand Lolita, referring to the 1955 book about a dude obsessed with a 12yo girl (nicknamed Lolita, Spanish for Delores) that he later kidnaps and molests (as usual the movie adaptations are watered down garbage compared to the book).

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Probably not. There aren't any smols in the actual game. There is a single character/shot that could theoretically qualify as a smol, but it's exclusively in a flashback scene, and the character in question is a non-smol adult in the game's present day when the MC and she have the option to start a sexual relationship. She's less petite than any of the daughters (as seen in the preview images).

A lot of games that happened to have the "loli" tag got tossed in Games+ for no good reason, since they're not banned elsewhere (and some of them don't even have content that would require a patch elsewhere, including this one).

Fundamentally, games get put in Games+ or not by people (LC staff), who are fallible and make mistakes. Pretty often, with something manual like this. Don't take tags or flair as gospel, and do your own research on the game if you're wondering.

Spoiler: The Scenes and Character in Question

Here are the only shots that contain a character that could be considered a smol or loli:
View attachment 142482
There's a few more lines of dialogue, then an animation of the MC railing Melissa's mother without Melissa moving at all, followed by this:
View attachment 142485
And here she is in the game's current day:
View attachment 142492

tl;dr: This is not a loli/smol game in any way, unless someone knows something no one on Fuck95 or LC know, since the dev isn't talking anywhere anymore after the initial negative reaction to Pre-Rework 0.1. The tag doesn't really belong here despite it being technically appropriate, and since the game hasn't been banned anywhere, it doesn't belong in Games+.

Edited to add note: There are still some images in the game files (but never shown in the game) from the original Pre-Rework version that showed the MC's nieces, who are smaller than his daughters, but were tied up in the now-scrapped NTR storyline with the sister, so we don't know if they'll even show up again post-Rework. If curious, this is them:

Spoiler

View attachment 142498
View attachment 142499

And to answer the inevitable question about those two? "Who knows. Things have changed since these images were in the game, and the dev doesn't talk outside Discord anymore that I know of."

Damn, Jill from Being a Dik turned into a loli.

 

[Xillonen]

I liked first version more.

Do you have a link to that?

 

[Freyr]

Probably not. There aren't any smols in the actual game. There is a single character/shot that could theoretically qualify as a smol, but it's exclusively in a flashback scene, and the character in question is a non-smol adult in the game's present day when the MC and she have the option to start a sexual relationship. She's less petite than any of the daughters (as seen in the preview images).

A lot of games that happened to have the "loli" tag got tossed in Games+ for no good reason, since they're not banned elsewhere (and some of them don't even have content that would require a patch elsewhere, including this one).

Fundamentally, games get put in Games+ or not by people (LC staff), who are fallible and make mistakes. Pretty often, with something manual like this. Don't take tags or flair as gospel, and do your own research on the game if you're wondering.

Spoiler: The Scenes and Character in Question

Here are the only shots that contain a character that could be considered a smol or loli:
View attachment 142482
There's a few more lines of dialogue, then an animation of the MC railing Melissa's mother without Melissa moving at all, followed by this:
View attachment 142485
And here she is in the game's current day:
View attachment 142492

tl;dr: This is not a loli/smol game in any way, unless someone knows something no one on Fuck95 or LC know, since the dev isn't talking anywhere anymore after the initial negative reaction to Pre-Rework 0.1. The tag doesn't really belong here despite it being technically appropriate, and since the game hasn't been banned anywhere, it doesn't belong in Games+.

Edited to add note: There are still some images in the game files (but never shown in the game) from the original Pre-Rework version that showed the MC's nieces, who are smaller than his daughters, but were tied up in the now-scrapped NTR storyline with the sister, so we don't know if they'll even show up again post-Rework. If curious, this is them:

Spoiler

View attachment 142498
View attachment 142499

And to answer the inevitable question about those two? "Who knows. Things have changed since these images were in the game, and the dev doesn't talk outside Discord anymore that I know of."

Nice! I hope these girls make it back in the game somehow.

 

[Tiur]

Do you have a link to that?

It won't be continued, and the only things in it that aren't in the current version were: the sister was fucking the dad, complete with at least one unskippable scene of them fucking, IIRC in the incomplete scene that is still in the files as images-only, it explained both her daughters (the MC's nieces) were fathered by the dad, making them also the MC's half-sisters, his secretary was a plant from his enemy Victor who was fucking him to give Victor information, and literally all the women were gold-diggers who tried to seduce the MC to get his money and his business. It was a pretty solid cuck-fest and not a single character was remotely likable.

If you want to see the images, they're all still there in the game files, they're just not called in the game anymore.

 

[Tiur]

who started that definition? seems like it'd be the reverse, since loli is shorthand Lolita, referring to the 1955 book about a dude obsessed with a 12yo girl (nicknamed Lolita, Spanish for Delores) that he later kidnaps and molests (as usual the movie adaptations are watered down garbage compared to the book).

Honestly, anyone who states definitively a precise age range for "loli" or gives any definite range for "smol" is just saying what they've gotten used to. There's no collective consensus like those people think there is. If you look at the actual meanings and more clinical definitions, none of them have anything to do with age, and many of them are subjective.

I'm gonna digress into pedantry. Because it's pedantic as fuck, I'm tossing it in a spoiler block.

Spoiler: Definitions, Linguistics, and Imprecision, Oh My!

• "Loli" is relatively broad, meaning nothing more than "a child-like female character" due to being a shortened version of "lolicon".
  • While "lolicon" derived originally from the Nabokov book's title, the usual usage in the US is referring to the Japanese term and not the novel.
  • When people are referring specifically to the Nabokov novel or a character who evokes the character Lolita, they'll say the full word "lolita"
  • When using "lolita" and referring to the novel, it's often used to refer to almost any underage girl. This is also common among peopel who have NOT read the novel, and are referring to the character by way of the movie adaptations, almost all of which age Lolita up signiifcantly into her teens. When used this way, it's basically synonymous with "jailbait", particularly given the plot of the novel and the narrator's delusional justifications of his actions.
  • "nymphet" is another (and older) term now-synonymous with "lolita" (but is, again, non-precise and subjective) - this one deserves a mention specifically because it's used IN the novel to describe Lolita.
• "Smol" is recent internet-speak, and is used almost exclusively to avoid word filters and flagging systems that detect the term "loli" or "lolita".
  • Because of this, it has no real consensus meaning other than being a synonym of "loli" with all the imprecision of that word's definition.

Now, there ARE some specific terms, but they are developmental-related rather than age-related.. There are some corollaries to age, but the edges of the ranges are blurry.

• "****" is a very specific term, and by itself almost always refers to a person with "****philia", the paraphilic sexual attraction specifically to pre-pubescent children. This term is not commonly used to refer to the children themselves.
  • An ultra-simplistic synonym and term for these children would be "pre-teen", though that overlaps with hebe.
  • (Side-note: "nepi" is a very specific term that is a subset of "****", and refers to "nepiphilia", the paraphilic sexual attraction to infants and toddlers.)
• "Hebe" is a very specific term, and refers to a pubescent child as a derived shortening of "hebephilia", the sexual attraction to such children.
  • An ultra-simplistic synonym here would be "tween", though that overlaps with both **** and ephebe.
• "Ephebe" is a very specific term, and refers to a post-pubescent child as a derived shortening of "ephebephilia", the sexual attraction to such children.
  • An ultra-simplistic synonym here would be "teen", though that overlaps with hebe and teenaged adults (18-19).

As Nicest_Incest said, the namesake of "loli", Lolita from the Nabokov novel, was 12, and showed signs of early pubescence. That makes her a hebe. Also note that there are significant overlaps in expected ages even in the specific terms.

Okay, that's enough pedantry. To summarize:

TL;DR: Don't bother debating the details of the terms, even the specific ones, because they're overlapping, nebulous, and blurry at the edges. If rendered characters are in these blurry edges, or if people have different expectations of what the nebulous terms "loli" or "smol" mean, it's best to just give people the benefit of the doubt and not argue about it.