discussion Bitcoin and adult game monetization

[Zilcho]

There was one guy who voted "I already have Bitcoin but think it's not anonymous / safe enough for this purpose" but I don't think he commented in the thread yet. I'm not a bitcoin specialist, I do know there are some potential issues, but as you say "if properly mixed" it should be ok.

Boy I sure do wonder who that mystery guy is

What really does surprise me is how negative many people are about bitcoin, and that even here, people reject it on seemingly moral grounds.
I'm happy that people are speaking up but I didn't expect this.

Half the people hating on crypto are feds, the other half are blue-pilled "I have nothing to hide, I'll gladly spread my anus" type of folks. You won't win them over until you achieve major success, then they'll pretend it was fine all along and they were always on board. Same with anything.

Crypto is the future, but by god it needs some level of regulation because it is a scamfest so far, and there are a bunch of ways to rob your wallet apparently.

Think of all the ways fiat has been used to scam for thousands of years. It's par for the course, and regulation hasn't solved the primary issue - the thing between a person's ears. Ever since banking became a bunch of numbers and all you had was a receipt, this issue has been just as prevalent. Now, you could argue that (in some countries) there is insurance against fraud and you can get your money back, usually. Fair enough. However, for crypto, the regulation can be achieved without either government intervention or know-your-customer applications. Look into something called

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. Crypto already works like this on the transaction side, but exchanges can be made through a zero-knowledge layer also to provide additional certainty without exposing anyone involved.

For added monetary security, if you store your crypto on an offline hardware wallet and throw that in a secure place like you would anything valuable, you can limit the amount of potential loss overall. You can, for example, have multiple accounts stored on such a device and transfer only what's needed to one of those accounts. Then, when you plug your device in to transfer funds, you use only that "Checking" account, avoiding the exposure of your "Savings" account. Mixing it up using software that shuffles the transaction paths of the coin helps you further obfuscate where it might have come from. We already live in a digital world where numbers backed by nothing but faith determine our access to resources. Crypto, some forms of it, is a much more solid and secure version of what we already have. When you think of it that way, it's an upgrade to security and fidelity, not a downgrade. Central Banks around the world are trying to foster their own legal tender using the blockchain, so even for those I mentioned above who hate crypto will gladly acquiesce to the State version (because they're smooth-brained cowards, but I digress). For those of us ahead of the curve, we can continue to use and develop independent currencies liberated from the prying eyes and greedy hands of the State. Viva la Libertad, Carajo!

 

[Freyr]

Half the people hating on crypto are feds, the other half are blue-pilled "I have nothing to hide, I'll gladly spread my anus" type of folks.

You'd hope that the feds constitute less then half of the members here (maybe I'm just naive).
And that the blue-pilled would be less prevalent than in the average society (maybe I'm wrong here as well).

 

[HornyDolphin]

If you are getting into crypto for payment isn’t the big current thing Monero rather than Bitcoin? I thought Bitcoin was mainly for "investors" these days.

+1. If I want to make a private payment I want to use Monero not Bitcoin. There's a good reason that it's what most of the darkweb markets use. A lot of private torrent trackers have been switching over to Monero for donations too.

Fees are like $0.05 compared to BTC's ridiculous fees, and all transactions are inherently private.

 

[herelooking027]

Bitcoin is trash and not anonymous anyway

 

[Ribaso]

Crypto where I am = 30 years in prison.

 

[Mr.Nobody]

Crypto is the future, but by god it needs some level of regulation because it is a scamfest so far, and there are a bunch of ways to rob your wallet apparently. Can't avoid it forever, but will holdout until problems are fixed.

NSFW gamedevs do deserve income though, so hoping we can just make subscribestar better for now or make something better

And several country's governments' laws to prevent them from treating pixels on a screen as if they were real human beings

 

[Freyr]

So the results so far:

- 22 against bitcoin in general
- 12 either in favor or still in some kind of doubt
- 2 in favor of bitcoin in general but against it for adult game monetization

Although the sample size is fairly small, I am still a bit surprised about the high percentage that rejects bitcoin outright, and, interestingly, often for moral reasons.

The problem with certain content is, that it is becoming harder and harder to monetize it. But apparently the alternative to credit cards and payment processors isn't perceived as good enough at the moment. Which makes me somewhat sad, actually.

 

[User_131536]

Bitcoin is pretty expensive, but if they're alternate ways to pay game developers so that they don't have to censor they're games ( mainly incest ) I'm down to support it.

 

[Freyr]

Bitcoin is pretty expensive, but if they're alternate ways to pay game developers so that they don't have to censor they're games ( mainly incest ) I'm down to support it.

Obviously the idea is not to pay 1 bitcoin to support someone but instead 0.00001 BTC or whatever is reasonable / affordable.

I *think* there are no technical hurdles to that.

 

[appreciate143]

if someone can help me about bitcoin i guess ill get it a shot ..

 

[trc450]

Hot take, if you make it easy and relible people will use it.

I mean modern money is mostly just 'air' technically banks do not have money to pay if everyone (or even less as 1/10th asked to have it.)

 

[Gorden]

Is there a way to get free bitcoin

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I'd do it. Like right now I already have a wallet on Coinbase and if for example all 28 of my SS subs also had a wallet and linked that here in their OP's I'd 100% just make a list and drop crypto in those every month and cancel every last one of my SS subs (which I'm seriouisly considering doing anyway for the same reason I told Patreon to fuck off almost 7 years ago, I don't like having a % of my money helping support censorship). It's not looking good regardless of crypto adoption or not, as a huge chunk of people simply don't want to deal with Discord either for their own reasons and have repeatedly said so in SS comments including canceling their sub after the month is up, it's either too hard to figure out when all they wanna do is fap to a simple choice-clicking game or they simply don't trust them for downloading loli content (for good reason, I wouldn't be surprised at all if Discord hands over IP logs to local LE in the stupid cuntries where that's illegal after banning some server that got reported or otherwise outed). At the end of the day far more often than not making AVNs or even selling real C P on the dark web has always been more of a hobby or passion project and less of a livelihood anyway, for every one that makes enough to quit their day job there's probably 1000 that never do, with most of those not even clearing $100/mo (so as a job not even 1/10 of the US fed min wage, unless they are in 3rd world shit holes that barely have a reliable power grid and drinkable water where $100 is better than their day job). People love to look at the top 50 on Graphtreon and then assume everyone gets at least 1% of that. Hah, funny, if they could see more of the whole picture if they actually published a top 500 those earnings probably drop off a cliff not too far down that list, and that's not just with AVN's either. Youtubers and social influencers deal with the same shit, if you are not already in the top 100 you most likely never will be and probably will never make much of anything, mostly due to Google's and other media sites' marketing algorithms. I know people don't want a dose of reality like that and think everyone has an equal chance to get rich or die tryin', but most end up just diein' while tryin' if the preponderance of the abandoned tag isn't a clue.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Is there a way to get free bitcoin

not really anymore unless you have free electricity. That's what crypto mining is (basically hashing other people's transactions in the blockchain as a service) but most of that is in China where electricity is relatively cheap and abundant since they are already basically the world's factory (ie 3 Gorges Dam's 22.5 GW). A few years ago anyone with a video card could use that to mine and even possibly make $50-100 every 24 hours at one point just from that, it's why video cards tripled in MSRP price in a matter of months and left store shelves and warehouses empty of anything better than some 10yo card once millions of people caught on, but those days are long gone. Now for the Average Joe they will spend more on electricity to mine than what they will get paid in crypto, it's only still profitable for datacenter-sized ops ran by gov'ts and major corporations set up by investor conglomerates (think a huge warehouse like those used by Amazon or one of Tesla's giga factories, but just full of row after row of 70U server racks double or triple stacked 20-30 feet tall that needs it's own multi-GW-level power plant to run 24/7, the only other industry that even comes close is aluminum smelters, and those plants often need their own 69 or 138 kV power lines going into them, which are usually used to power whole medium-sized cities).

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Not interested. From what I understand it's mostly used by criminals to extort people by holding their computers hostage.

That's not crypto's fault. Before crypto it was still done anyway with Western Union or similar or cash left in some random unguarded hidden place. So should we all quit using cash and go back to barter? I don't see that happening without some global apocalypse mostly ending human civilization first, in which case getting raped and/or enslaved would probably be a more common worry than simply getting your computer held hostage (which is impossible if people kept proper OS and offline data backups, clean OS reinstall removes any conceivable ransomware or other malware there is).

 

[MattShizzle]

That's not crypto's fault. Before crypto it was still done anyway with Western Union or similar or cash left in some random unguarded hidden place. So should we all quit using cash and go back to barter? I don't see that happening without some global apocalypse mostly ending human civilization first, in which case getting raped and/or enslaved would probably be a more common worry than simply getting your computer held hostage (which is impossible if people kept proper OS and offline data backups, clean OS reinstall removes any conceivable ransomware or other malware there is).

Not everyone is a computer expert, and WU, etc can be tracked. There can be a sting to catch cash left somewhere, etc.

 

[Freyr]

I wouldn't be surprised at all if Discord hands over IP logs to local LE in the stupid cuntries where that's illegal after banning some server that got reported or otherwise outed).

Didn't something like that happen in the US a few years ago? With a supposedly reputable VPN service?

Youtubers and social influencers deal with the same shit, if you are not already in the top 100 you most likely never will be and probably will never make much of anything, mostly due to Google's and other media sites' marketing algorithms. I know people don't want a dose of reality like that and think everyone has an equal chance to get rich or die tryin', but most end up just diein' while tryin' if the preponderance of the abandoned tag isn't a clue.

You forgot aspiring basketball / soccer players... Apparently some people are so desparate to instantly get from poverty to incredible wealth that they will believe anything. The sad thing is that those people could have been much better off if they would have gotten a real job and/or education.

Not everyone is a computer expert, and WU, etc can be tracked. There can be a sting to catch cash left somewhere, etc.

I think his point is, that criminal behavior is about criminals doing illegal shit.

You can do illegal shit with many supposedly respectable payment methods as well as with bitcoin. It doesn't matter. Crypto is just another tool that might be more anonymous than bank transfers and credit cards, while also perhaps being more convenient than cash in the modern world.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Didn't something like that happen in the US a few years ago? With a supposedly reputable VPN service?

I never heard about that, but I bet they are no longer in business after word got out. VPN's mostly compete on reputation, since there's free ones so on price isn't an option (even though those tend to be total shit). I know if Private Internet Access actually kept logs while lying to everyone and people found out about it they probably wouldn't just go out of business, their management people would probably be assassinated like a healthcare CEO by some former customers or their associates if they ended up in jail because of them.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I've never gotten into any of these crypto currencies because I've been very skeptical of them since I've heard of them. I have nothing against crypto, I'm just skeptical of them when it comes to reliability, security and privacy.

As a rule of thumb you don't get to have all three of those with anything these days. With crypto you only get to pick one, maybe 2, depending on which exchange one uses. Example: 100% privacy/anonymity = no other option but to go to one of those "shady" non-KYC exchanges that only take cash in the mail to some PO Box that was probably temporarily set up with some stolen ID, they send the crypo to your wallet or in a thumb drive mailed back to you for even more anonymity, which obviously has reliability/security issues if that exchange is simply ran by a conartist that simply stole your money, though I've never had a problem the few times a year I use one (knock on wood).

 

[ICEMAN]

Bitcoin and other cryptocurrencies have started to play a role in the monetization of adult games, offering an alternative to traditional payment methods like credit cards or PayPal. Cryptocurrency can provide more privacy for players, especially in regions where adult content is restricted or highly regulated. For developers, it can help avoid issues with payment processors who might refuse to handle adult content.


However, this form of monetization comes with risks, such as volatility in cryptocurrency values and potential legal uncertainties in various regions. It also opens the door to scams or fraudulent schemes if not handled carefully. Overall, while it offers benefits like privacy and decentralization, it also requires careful consideration from both developers and players.