discussion Complete VN Ren'Py VAM All the Wrong Things [1.0] [Goosenards]

[Mr-Mirari]

no incest tag ?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

no incest tag ?

Because MC hasn't fucked his niece yet. AFAIK tags aren't added based on simple promises.

 

[sullys]

Great first episode. Looking forward to more!

 

[socky34]

Please make more.

 

[Lefty]

Because MC hasn't fucked his niece yet. AFAIK tags aren't added based on simple promises.

I can think of one game where it happened. Two intended LI's were given up on by the author, and their story in game had them move on to someone else with the MC's blessing. Game was given an NTR tag for that alone.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

I can think of one game where it happened. Two intended LI's were given up on by the author, and their story in game had them move on to someone else with the MC's blessing. Game was given an NTR tag for that alone.

Both parts of which are completely stupid, IMO. The dev shouldn't have given up on those LIs, because even if not popular among the whole set of LIs you can almost guarantee there will be at least some folks who wanted to pursue them. But also, if the MC gives his blessing to have LIs move on, that's not even remotely NTR. That's like saying all past partners IRL (when you yourself ended the relationship) who later find someone new are NTRing you because they're not yours still. That's the epitome of being a greedy jackass.

 

[hrmm]

I don't know which game is being talked about, but I mean, that's basically the classic example of the will of the character overriding the will of the player. Which is always going to rub a lot of players the wrong way if the game isn't kinetic (and especially if it is/was also a harem game). It's less like being mad that past partners find someone else, and more being mad that someone took over your body and forced you to break up with them and then they go on to find someone else.

 

[-CookieMonster666-]

I don't know which game is being talked about, but I mean, that's basically the classic example of the will of the character overriding the will of the player. Which is always going to rub a lot of players the wrong way if the game isn't kinetic (and especially if it is/was also a harem game). It's less like being mad that past partners find someone else, and more being mad that someone took over your body and forced you to break up with them and then they go on to find someone else.

I get what you're saying. I agree that it was a totally douchey move by that developer. However, IMO getting netorare slapped on the game is not the appropriate action to take. Maybe the thread owner / an admin should post on the OP what the dev did to the game. That could warn people to stay away if they take issue with that. Tell players the dev chose to screw everyone over or something. But mislabeling the game isn't the answer.

Keep in mind that harem fans aren't the only folks who look for games. When you slap netorare on something, people who actually have that fetish might be misdirected to the game. But the game would have absolutely nothing those types of players would want, nothing that would even remotely satisfy their kink. I'm neutral on NTR so don't know what those types of players enjoy about it. But I can only imagine it's gotta be super frustrating to see netorare on something, so you start to get excited based on the preview images and game's story premise. You spend your bandwidth (and time) downloading however many Gigs of data... only to find out it's not actually NTR — at least not by any definition an actual fan of that kink would use.

This is why I'm always opposed to "solving an issue" that dissatisfies a fan of one kink (or even just screws players over in general) by using a tag. I don't dislike either netorare or harems (there's very little I dislike, TBH), and I especially don't dislike the people who enjoy either of those kinks. With that said, please take the next statement in the spirit it's meant: a desire to improve how things are done, not an attempt to call out, to shame, or anything of the kind. With that understanding, I will just finish this post with this: For as often as harem folks get super frustrated that something tagged harem isn't actually what they expect, I sure seem to see a lot of harem fans who love to mistag something as netorare just because they hate it. I think it's too easy just to use tags to "handle" an issue like this. I think it's more helpful to have something like a "Staff Note" or whatever, where an explanation can be given for everyone to know what they would be getting into.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I get what you're saying. I agree that it was a totally douchey move by that developer. However, IMO getting netorare slapped on the game is not the appropriate action to take. Maybe the thread owner / an admin should post on the OP what the dev did to the game. That could warn people to stay away if they take issue with that. Tell players the dev chose to screw everyone over or something. But mislabeling the game isn't the answer.

Keep in mind that harem fans aren't the only folks who look for games. When you slap netorare on something, people who actually have that fetish might be misdirected to the game. But the game would have absolutely nothing those types of players would want, nothing that would even remotely satisfy their kink. I'm neutral on NTR so don't know what those types of players enjoy about it. But I can only imagine it's gotta be super frustrating to see netorare on something, so you start to get excited based on the preview images and game's story premise. You spend your bandwidth (and time) downloading however many Gigs of data... only to find out it's not actually NTR — at least not by any definition an actual fan of that kink would use.

This is why I'm always opposed to "solving an issue" that dissatisfies a fan of one kink (or even just screws players over in general) by using a tag. I don't dislike either netorare or harems (there's very little I dislike, TBH), and I especially don't dislike the people who enjoy either of those kinks. With that said, please take the next statement in the spirit it's meant: a desire to improve how things are done, not an attempt to call out, to shame, or anything of the kind. With that understanding, I will just finish this post with this: For as often as harem folks get super frustrated that something tagged harem isn't actually what they expect, I sure seem to see a lot of harem fans who love to mistag something as netorare just because they hate it. I think it's too easy just to use tags to "handle" an issue like this. I think it's more helpful to have something like a "Staff Note" or whatever, where an explanation can be given for everyone to know what they would be getting into.

Yeah as far a tags I'm the same way when it comes to fake incest tags, lost count of how much time I wasted only to discover the incest has little or nothing to do with the MC or it's stepcest (pointlessly risking their Patreon, if it was on there). Hell even when searching real porn and put -step in the search and -(every social media and useless tube site that bans it here) you still have to go through 100 pages of clickbait-titled bullshit to find what you have in mind, if you don't want to go to the few real incest pay sites and give them crypto or pay out the ass for private custom clips on OF (only loli AVNs get my porn money).

 

[Anon7483]

Aw shit, here we go again.

 

[Lefty]

Both parts of which are completely stupid, IMO. The dev shouldn't have given up on those LIs, because even if not popular among the whole set of LIs you can almost guarantee there will be at least some folks who wanted to pursue them. But also, if the MC gives his blessing to have LIs move on, that's not even remotely NTR. That's like saying all past partners IRL (when you yourself ended the relationship) who later find someone new are NTRing you because they're not yours still. That's the epitome of being a greedy jackass.

NTR wasn't the point, just that the tag was given to that game. The person I was replying to said tags aren't given based on promises when my example showed they are.

 

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[elfieeven]

Because MC hasn't fucked his niece yet. AFAIK tags aren't added based on simple promises.

Except it's also not in the planned tag list.. would be hilarious if Goose was gonna troll everyone for the complaining and not have MC touch the niece EVER

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Except it's also not in the planned tag list.. would be hilarious if Goose was gonna troll everyone for the complaining and not have MC touch the niece EVER

OMFG, that would totally suck. I hope it's just a mistake/accidental exclusion and it probably is, at least if the dev wants to keep their subs, so many would be pissed enough to not only unsub but never sub to anything from them ever again, even if they did a Lucy for us Charlie Browns and set up the football again with another loli/incest AVN.

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[Goosenards]

It's under the devnotes spoiler on the OP. Though player choice will affect whether or not it happens.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

It's under the devnotes spoiler on the OP. Though player choice will affect whether or not it happens.

Yeah I see it now, yay! Just guessing but my perverted mind is already thinking Emi isn't just his niece but also his daughter from an affair with the now-dead sister/her mom, she was just too young to remember it.

 

[elfieeven]

It's under the devnotes spoiler on the OP. Though player choice will affect whether or not it happens.

Sorry! I looked at the Planned Tags there but didn't see it.. glad to know it's a possibility

 

[Goosenards]

Sorry! I looked at the Planned Tags there but didn't see it.. glad to know it's a possibility

lol all good, but I should state that based on your initial reaction to Nari in part one, you will probably not enjoy part two

 

[Nicest_Incest]

lol all good, but I should state that based on your initial reaction to Nari in part one, you will probably not enjoy part two

Yeah for me the setting was not ideal. I mean she was pretty with a hairy pussy and all which is a plus but if it's soaking up piss of 100 other randoms while sitting in a public urinal while getting fucked, just eww. In real life I'd be thinking "Jesus Christ, I don't mind a dirty girl, but this is over the top. I hope I used a burner phone for my dating profile. And here I was thinking of eating her pussy, I think I'll pass on that now". Sure, her 2nd scene in the car after was hot, if you can keep the previous one out of your mind. Though she seems to be a gold digger and already trying to get the MC's baby put in her to put him in baby jail after she found out he had money, but it seems like that's gonna be a necessity if you want to lick the loli too, and also possibly at the expense of closing the niece's path. But she also seems to be a quite moldable pervert so probably would be relatively easily convinced to have a 3some with her daughter (that I hope doesn't pee in men's urinals too). I guess we'll see.

 

[elfieeven]

lol all good, but I should state that based on your initial reaction to Nari in part one, you will probably not enjoy part two

Eh... can't please everyone And just so it's clear, my problem is ONLY with the internet video thing. I'm a huge fan of mother corrupting her daughter (One of my early game concepts was based entirely on the idea) but I draw the line at selling your daughter, even if it's just being able to view her BUT I know there are many others who like the idea *shrug*

The actual scene idea though? That was great and I loved it (maybe skip the public washroom asset next time but to each there own) It's crazy how little the whole 'tinder hookup' idea isn't used in more games... or maybe I'm just not playing the right games? I also thought it was brilliant to have the MC be all, 'This was just supposed to be a one quick hookup' instead of having him instantly fall in love with her. And then you tease us with her adorable daughter.