discussion Proud Father (Off-Topic)

[Feral]

My understanding of how it all started was that someone entering the country was found to have the game as part of a routine scan of their electronic devices. Then they looked into the game and were able to track it back to him by subpoenaing financial records from itch.io or SS or whoever was hosting it & processing payments. If this is really how it went down, then they just lucked into the whole case, so to speak.

I'm not stating any of this as fact, just how I remember it. Details have always been kind of sketchy, and a fair amount of time has passed, so it is hard to know what really happened, but this seems like a reasonable timeline of events to me.

That`s exactly how they got him. Someone entered the country with the game on their phone. Border force and Customs seized the phone and when they found the game, handed it to the Feds The cops traced the game to itcho and took control of his account. When they raided him, they seized his computer and found everything else.

 

[angband]

That`s exactly how they got him. Someone entered the country with the game on their phone. Border force and Customs seized the phone and when they found the game, handed it to the Feds The cops traced the game to itcho and took control of his account. When they raided him, they seized his computer and found everything else.

Nice to know my memory isn't completely useless. Also glad that I will never have a reason to visit Australia. Nothing on my phone should be a problem, but I'd rather not leave that in the hands of an uptight police state. Depends on whether they would have an issue with Blue Archive.

 

[USER_6969]

14 years is a pretty long time for somebody who never touched anybody or caused any direct victim pain.

Don't get me wrong - consuming and owning CSAM and videoing your female neighbors without permission is fucked up and deserves a sentence but even then 14 years isn't a walk in the park.

Not really for example:
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That is without any other offences, I think he got off pretty lightly.

 

[Aerythox]

My understanding of how it all started was that someone entering the country was found to have the game as part of a routine scan of their electronic devices. Then they looked into the game and were able to track it back to him by subpoenaing financial records from itch.io or SS or whoever was hosting it & processing payments. If this is really how it went down, then they just lucked into the whole case, so to speak.

I'm not stating any of this as fact, just how I remember it. Details have always been kind of sketchy, and a fair amount of time has passed, so it is hard to know what really happened, but this seems like a reasonable timeline of events to me.

isn't snooping through other people's files an invasion of privacy even if it's the government (without warrant)?

 

[USER_6969]

isn't snooping through other people's files an invasion of privacy even if it's the government (without warrant)?

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[MattShizzle]

A country never to travel to. Though note here in the US they are forcing visitors to unlock their phones - threatening years in prison if they don't - and denying entry to people who say things they don't like on Social Media.

 

[angband]

A country never to travel to. Though note here in the US they are forcing visitors to unlock their phones - threatening years in prison if they don't - and denying entry to people who say things they don't like on Social Media.

Yeah, the US is going to be a mess for at least a few years. Check back in 2028 or so.

 

[Feral]

isn't snooping through other people's files an invasion of privacy even if it's the government (without warrant)?

Basic answer...NO They already have a warrant to check your luggage and that warrant includes electronic devices..

 

[Feral]

Nice to know my memory isn't completely useless. Also glad that I will never have a reason to visit Australia. Nothing on my phone should be a problem, but I'd rather not leave that in the hands of an uptight police state. Depends on whether they would have an issue with Blue Archive.

If you try to enter with Blue Archive on your phone, you will either be here longer than you planned or on the next flight back to wherever but without a phone. Not only will you not be allowed back but also you may have difficulty being allowed into other countries due to the nature of you being deported

 

[LUVGAMZ23]

A country never to travel to. Though note here in the US they are forcing visitors to unlock their phones - threatening years in prison if they don't - and denying entry to people who say things they don't like on Social Media.

Any idea if you're STILL flagged if you ONLY have a blank burner phone and computer?
Or, to go nuclear option, have ZERO electronics or personal items (other than the minimum i.e. passports, etc...) when you go?

EDIT = This question may be different per country, so, top 2 = if going to Australia, if going to US?

 

[Aerythox]

Basic answer...NO They already have a warrant to check your luggage and that warrant includes electronic devices..

gonna be one of my top 10 countries to not visit then lol

 

[Feral]

Any idea if you're STILL flagged if you ONLY have a blank burner phone and computer?
Or, to go nuclear option, have ZERO electronics or personal items (other than the minimum i.e. passports, etc...) when you go?

EDIT = This question may be different per country, so, top 2 = if going to Australia, if going to US?

Go Nuclear option, no matter what country you are going to would be the best option, here in Oz, our govt just banned anyone under 16 from having a YouTube account

 

[angband]

If you try to enter with Blue Archive on your phone, you will either be here longer than you planned or on the next flight back to wherever but without a phone. Not only will you not be allowed back but also you may have difficulty being allowed into other countries due to the nature of you being deported

I don't doubt this, even though there is absolutely nothing explicit in it, just humorous innuendo and a lot of situations where you are perfectly innocent but of course circumstances make things look awkward. Oh, well, they can have their dystopia and I'll just stay home and enjoy my freedom.

Any idea if you're STILL flagged if you ONLY have a blank burner phone and computer?
Or, to go nuclear option, have ZERO electronics or personal items (other than the minimum i.e. passports, etc...) when you go?

EDIT = This question may be different per country, so, top 2 = if going to Australia, if going to US?

Wouldn't surprise me if that triggered something along the lines of: "Your phone was factory reset before you came here. We find this highly suspicious. Please step over into the room labeled 'enhanced interrogation'." Nuclear option? ZERO electronics? Even more suspicious!

My thinking is that unless you have something job-related that you absolutely have to go there for, or family that you really want to see, just stay away.

 

[Freyr]

Basic answer...NO They already have a warrant to check your luggage and that warrant includes electronic devices..

That they are allowed to search your luggage and/or your devices does not mean it's not an invasion of privacy.

Legal and moral are different things. Morality depend on your perspective.

Any idea if you're STILL flagged if you ONLY have a blank burner phone and computer?
Or, to go nuclear option, have ZERO electronics or personal items (other than the minimum i.e. passports, etc...) when you go?

EDIT = This question may be different per country, so, top 2 = if going to Australia, if going to US?

Travelling without devices that you don't want to be searched or compromised seems like a good idea in general.
Australia is not the worst country to visit. China for example, installs mandatory spyware on your phone upon arrival.

 

[Feral]

Travelling without devices that you don't want to be searched or compromised seems like a good idea in general.
Australia is not the worst country to visit. China for example, installs mandatory spyware on your phone upon arrival.

I have no interest in going to China, but thanks for the info. One problem I see a lot is people going overseas and thinking they have the same freedoms they have at home.. Having nothing on your phone etc, not only protects you, but also keeps the dev of the game you get busted with from being investigated. Sites like itcho wont hesitate to hand over a dev to protect the site.

 

[lewdcorner1]

There is no "Bill of Rights" in Australia and no way for private citizens to bring such concerns to a court. People entering the country are routinely searched, their electronic devices seized. They can even compel you to share passwords. They say the process is random but some folks report they have been targeted multiple times. Even if they find nothing, the process can delay you for an hour or more. At the very least it's an annoyance and a huge invasion of privacy.

They can even copy your data (without permission). There is a process to get them to delete it but who has that kind of time?

Americans thankfully have the first amendment but, even here, those rights get violated sometimes. Stories are just now coming out how the government forced tech companies to censor American citizens. People lost YouTube accounts for having wrong opinions. Before it was sold, people were routinely kicked off Twitter for having wrong opinions. There are outrageous stories of medical professionals losing their Facebook accounts for sharing information that our government labeled "disinformation."

It's the same thing. You censor ideas and you censor art. Censorship is always wrong. Free societies don't censor their citizens.

 

[MattShizzle]

There is no "Bill of Rights" in Australia and no way for private citizens to bring such concerns to a court. People entering the country are routinely searched, their electronic devices seized. They can even compel you to share passwords. They say the process is random but some folks report they have been targeted multiple times. Even if they find nothing, the process can delay you for an hour or more. At the very least it's an annoyance and a huge invasion of privacy.

They can even copy your data (without permission). There is a process to get them to delete it but who has that kind of time?

Americans thankfully have the first amendment but, even here, those rights get violated sometimes. Stories are just now coming out how the government forced tech companies to censor American citizens. People lost YouTube accounts for having wrong opinions. Before it was sold, people were routinely kicked off Twitter for having wrong opinions. There are outrageous stories of medical professionals losing their Facebook accounts for sharing information that our government labeled "disinformation."

It's the same thing. You censor ideas and you censor art. Censorship is always wrong. Free societies don't censor their citizens.

That stuff about forcing people entering to share their passwords is happening in the US now, and political opinions the current regime doesn't like result in being denied entry.

 

[lewdcorner1]

That stuff about forcing people entering to share their passwords is happening in the US now, and political opinions the current regime doesn't like result in being denied entry.

Unless you're suspected of a crime like a shooting or something like that, I can't imagine police searching your electronic devices or a court signing off on such a demand. Can you cite some sources? Has this happened to you? Do you know anyone who has experienced such a search?

I asked Google "is it legal for police to search your phone" and it said "no" and even cited Supreme Court cases. Not without a warrant. I travel a lot and have never been asked for a password in the US. It hasn't happened to me. It hasn't happened to anyone I know. To be sure, none of that proves you wrong, but I would love to see some proof. If people were being routinely stopped and forced to surrender their passwords, I would think everyone from CNN to Fox News would be talking about it.

To be clear, censorship is wrong no matter what regime is in power. It's nonpartisan. If what you say is really happening, then let's make the individuals doing it famous.

 

[MattShizzle]

Unless you're suspected of a crime like a shooting or something like that, I can't imagine police searching your electronic devices or a court signing off on such a demand. Can you cite some sources? Has this happened to you? Do you know anyone who has experienced such a search?

I asked Google "is it legal for police to search your phone" and it said "no" and even cited Supreme Court cases. Not without a warrant. I travel a lot and have never been asked for a password in the US. It hasn't happened to me. It hasn't happened to anyone I know. To be sure, none of that proves you wrong, but I would love to see some proof. If people were being routinely stopped and forced to surrender their passwords, I would think everyone from CNN to Fox News would be talking about it.

To be clear, censorship is wrong no matter what regime is in power. It's nonpartisan. If what you say is really happening, then let's make the individuals doing it famous.

I live in the US and this was on the news. Several people from countries like Canada. Saying anything bad about Israel or the current president meant no getting in and even imprisonment for a time until sending them back. Some were threatened wit 10 years in prison if they didn't give their password.

 

[brutulf]

Unless you're suspected of a crime like a shooting or something like that, I can't imagine police searching your electronic devices or a court signing off on such a demand. Can you cite some sources? Has this happened to you? Do you know anyone who has experienced such a search?

I asked Google "is it legal for police to search your phone" and it said "no" and even cited Supreme Court cases. Not without a warrant. I travel a lot and have never been asked for a password in the US. It hasn't happened to me. It hasn't happened to anyone I know. To be sure, none of that proves you wrong, but I would love to see some proof. If people were being routinely stopped and forced to surrender their passwords, I would think everyone from CNN to Fox News would be talking about it.

To be clear, censorship is wrong no matter what regime is in power. It's nonpartisan. If what you say is really happening, then let's make the individuals doing it famous.

The border patrol has authority to search your phone, no warrant required.

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They've been refusing entry for anti-Trump posts and JD Vance memes.

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Good you're searching for sources, but don't trust Google AI.