discussion Does it feel like there aren't very many "new" games that are good?

[orphan]

It might sound hypocritical but I think there's no incentive for creators, no money in it. I mean 90% of the consumers just wait for the games to be downloadable on a website like this one. No incentive means no new talent and slow progress

 

[MattShizzle]

I don't bother with brand new ones as they usually have nothing happening for at least 2 updates after, and are often abandoned. Plus old saves not working is common early on (and unforgivable once it's been out for long.)

 

[69Questions]

It might sound hypocritical but I think there's no incentive for creators, no money in it. I mean 90% of the consumers just wait for the games to be downloadable on a website like this one. No incentive means no new talent and slow progress

You might be surprised with how many of these games are on Steam. I'm not sure what it takes to get on Steam, but I would imagine once on Steam, your game will be seen by Millions of potential buyers.

 

[MattShizzle]

You might be surprised with how many of these games are on Steam. I'm not sure what it takes to get on Steam, but I would imagine once on Steam, your game will be seen by Millions of potential buyers.

Steam is very limited on what they allow though, and they have a lot of substandard adult games.

 

[Gala123]

I feel like theres way more new games being release now then ever, its just the personal standard being higher than ever for what qualifies as a great game
Like how good grapics/animtions need to be in oder to stick out is a insane task especialy for a new dev
But like, if Perveteer brings out a new game after finishing the current one i'd be confident in it being a great game once again, same for Caribdis.
x)

 

[bobainox]

Might be just that I'm getting old or something but it seems like a few years ago, you'd check the various sites and almost every week there'd be a new game or an update to a game that was incredible. Like 2-3 games a week being updated that were just really good, really decent stories that had good renders and animations, tolerable writing, etc.

And some of those games are still out there and still being worked on, with updates periodically.
But for the last few months it feels like there's so many games that are following the fetishes/trends that I'm not really into, or that just don't spend any real time on animations/renders, or that just follow the same templates as all the other popular games.
I mean, I like Harem games for example but it seems like almost every Harem game is copying the most popular few harem games and I can't even tell you how many "Dad that's fucking his daughters, wife, sister, nieces, their friends, etc" games that follow almost exactly the same plot.

1. Get seduced by daughter #1.
2. Hide it from wife.
3. Sister comes back into life due to a divorce from her husband.
4. Fuck sister like you always used to.
5. Find out sister's daughter(s) are your kids, fuck them with sister's help.
6. Sister helps you fuck your daughter #2.
7. Wife finds out you're fucking niece, gets mad.
8. Easily talk wife out of her anger with the power of dick.
9. Fuck wife, daughters, sister, nieces, some of their friends.
10. Daughters ask you to impregnate them constantly.
11. Sister talks you into impregnating her daughters.
12. You're a very wealthy businessman who also fucks his assistant.

It's like...this could describe half a dozen games I like. But why?

It's like that "you're a college graduate and your dad just died so you moved home but now you have to fuck your mom and sister, or they lose the house to gangsters!" type of plot.

Why isn't anybody coming up with unique stories anymore? Why are all the games feeling the same?

Is it just me?

You have listed quite a lot of good story plot even if they are repeated in maybe all the games, as I like wincest and harem even if it has a boring story I play it, given they dont have a tag I dont like.

 

[Leashun]

I personally don't care about the "cliches" in porn games that you just mentioned, as long as they know how to implement those damn well. I personally love the #1, 9, 10 and 12 of the list so...

 

[MattShizzle]

I noticed way too many of those damn censored cartoon Japanese games lately.

 

[smiley789]

i think alot of the games recently are cash grabs and like you said theyre just copies of the same concept and half the time they all use the same models i understand that some things dont really get old like somebody is always gonna want another incest game but it does feel like the same incest game with a couple variations

 

[RawDawg]

I see a couple a week Im interested in, but does seem to be less. Think AI has something to do with it and that devs seem more interested in drip updates and I end up waiting multiple updates to download

 

[MattShizzle]

I've been seeing much more uninspired games lazily created with Renpy. After seeing that and the devs being such spinless cucks in the face of censorship, I've decided to remove the information of creating Renpy gamed with Koikatsu from my page. It' seems all it did was help lazy game devs without artistic integrity get into the industry. We have a majority like that already.

This should almost a rule: Avoid devs that have Patreon as their source of income. Any dev who uses Patreon is aware of the censorship and the ever changing rules on what they don't allow for games. These game devs decided to lay in bed with Patreon knowing their game has be neutred and censored in a way. Knowing this the dev is going to make a game you like, but a product that is meant for making money. Not you making you gamers happy or entertained.

Apparently preganancy is not allowed in Patreon, and one dev so far made mention of that for being a reson for not including pregnancy for their game.

Koikatsu sucks ass anyway. Looks terrible.

 

[Ricketyp]

Is it also possible that some developers have been scared off making what they want in favor of what won't be censored, or just not making anything at all? For example, " My sister's Devious Plot" was (imho) on its way to being a spectacular game. As far as I know, it's no longer being developed, and I haven't been able to find anything by that genius anywhere.

 

[MattShizzle]

Is it also possible that some developers have been scared off making what they want in favor of what won't be censored, or just not making anything at all? For example, " My sister's Devious Plot" was (imho) on its way to being a spectacular game. As far as I know, it's no longer being developed, and I haven't been able to find anything by that genius anywhere.

A lot of devs got scared off from what happened to Westy, even if they lived in countries with totally different laws.

 

[Loliholic]

And thats exactly why it happend in the first place.
Sure, they needed a country with idiotic laws to act, but they managed to spread these "news" all around the world to earn such an impact. Now even more little idiots start to report stuff out of fear they could get in trouble for having an account on a site who dont bans good content and dont get they are only npc in a game they dont see or understand.

 

[Buddy]

I'm weary of any feels like trend.
Indie games come from all over and are decentralized.

There is a lot of confirmation and selection bias that happens.
Especially considering that it's a part of a larger trend of digital and independently produced Erotica.

This kind of porn for men is new. Romance was considered a genre only for women and men looked at the pictures in hustler and ignored the fact that it involved real and fictional accounts of romance and sex in text form.

Some of what we are bound to notice is genre norms being defined. Women's fiction and Hallmark movies have beat sheets. It's not bad, it's expected and what the audience likes and wants. The creativity and work of writing that is the art that happens within restraints.

The same thing will happen and arguably has happened to AVNs. If there are certain things missing or wildly deviant from the tropes people like most readers don't even have the meta vocabulary to know what's wrong.
The clearest examples is Buried Desires and Acting Lessons. There were setup and genre norms followed but the deviations pissed off the audiences. AL tried to foreshadow the darker story elements but they contradicted genre expectations.
Buried Desires completely lost track of it's tropes for a chapter and was never able to course correct or hit a status quo that the audience expected out of an incest game.

More varieties will pop up as things start being identified by different genres. Drama, horror, thriller, slice of life, buddy comedy, sitcom, but with porn.
Instead of AVN just being the genre.

 

[thegroan]

I think it is just a mix of nostalgia and increased media production. It happens everywhere, specially since games, shows, films, books, YouTube videos and so on where labeled as just "content". Market is saturated, and every day new creators appear, but the pool of ideas is limited. Add to the mix that development times get shorter, and everything feels more unpolished (even 70$ AAA games are a bug fest day 1), but expectations are sky-high, due to successful ideas being already developed previously and becoming the benchmark. Maybe that's the reason older games like Mist or Leap of Faith are still so well regarded.

 

[incognito2009]

It might sound hypocritical but I think there's no incentive for creators, no money in it. I mean 90% of the consumers just wait for the games to be downloadable on a website like this one. No incentive means no new talent and slow progress

I feel this one is the bigger problem regarding the problem, there is no incentive to that. There's a handful of creators that can make some money out of steam or subscription services, but most of them are simply wasting their time and effort in something that may never pan out.
Which is why I feel the "generic" kind of game keeps showing up, it's been tried and succeeded in making money.

 

[LilianN]

Yep. It's the same with any media. Remember when Marvel was popular and then it wasn't anymore par oneshots like the new Deadpool movie?

 

[Cruddy]

There's a lot of devs that are just starting out and don't have much of a team (or none). Money is also a factor for most as usual.

 

[Lonniel]

You are right, but I'll never get tired of number 5

Yep one of the best plot points for a incest harem