discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Burned [V.03] [Deaufosse]

[BadJM]

I mean, would you call a person born a woman who's now covered in hair with a full beard, chiseled muscles, no tits, and a phallus, still a woman? Or would you be calling them a guy?

I stated earlier here, and on other similar threads, that it is a biologically proven fact that the brains of trans people are physically closer to the sex they identify as rather than the one they were born looking like, and we know vanishing twin syndrome and chimera syndrome exist and can result in a person with organs belonging to the opposite sex, and nothing would stop that from being a brain is one of the organs that ends up having the opposite sex. Which, we are first and foremost our brains, anything can be done to your body and you're still you, but something happens to your brain and you can have a complete personality shift or die.

So, as far as I'm concerned, trans people are the gender they identify as, full stop. The medical and biological evidence points to that being true, and suggests that they suffer a horrible birth defect of having the opposite sexed body. When people state things like "trans women are guys with fake tits," you're making a statement not based on biology or medicine, at best it's an uninformed opinion, at worst it's a political statement and you shouldn't be doing that here.

PS: trans women very often have real, naturally grown tits. Sometimes their tits are bigger than non-trans women. HRT is a pretty impressive thing.

This is not really the right place to have this discussion, and it's very unlikely that you will change his mind about this topic. Not something I am proud of, but I used to have the same opinion as him and I only started changing my opinion when I met and became friends with trans people IRL and understood them a little better.
Debating these things online seems to have the opposite effect.

 

[Hexborn_Magus]

This is not really the right place to have this discussion, and it's very unlikely that you will change his mind about this topic. Not something I am proud of, but I used to have the same opinion as him and I only started changing my opinion when I met and became friends with trans people IRL and understood them a little better.
Debating these things online seems to have the opposite effect.

Yeah. I'm not trying to debate or change minds these days, I only care to state what is demonstrably factual, and if people don't like those facts, not really my problem. Anyone who wants to debate me on the facts being factual or just rant at me, I ignore. Only response I care to give is if someone asks for studies, because I have a bookmark folder filled with them.

 

[Beduin123]

I mean, would you call a person born a woman who's now covered in hair with a full beard, chiseled muscles, no tits, and a phallus, still a woman? Or would you be calling them a guy?

Well, I've heard the medicine works miracles nowadays. I've also heard it is possible to make a soy "meat" better than the real meat.
Still, haven't found persuasive evidence in both cases.
PS: Someone also told me that the unicorns are real.

 

[tyrannicpuppy]

I didn't expect to find so many closed-minded people in a place like this.

Most of the time, when I see folks raging about claiming something is this way and only this way coz that's their perspective on the matter, it's coz they found it horny and now hate themselves for having done so. We've all experienced the post-wank clarity shame before. Once they learn to embrace the shame, they tend to quiet down and accept that it's actually fine to like whatever it was they got off to this time.

Until then, I just don't bother to engage with them. The old playing chess against a pigeon example.

 

[Beduin123]

Most of the time, when I see folks raging about claiming something is this way and only this way coz that's their perspective on the matter, it's coz they found it horny and now hate themselves for having done so. We've all experienced the post-wank clarity shame before. Once they learn to embrace the shame, they tend to quiet down and accept that it's actually fine to like whatever it was they got off to this time.

Until then, I just don't bother to engage with them. The old playing chess against a pigeon example.

Wanking over some fetish is one thing. Mixing the fantasies and reality is the other. If you follow the discussion, the comment that I responded has claimed that the trans are real women. I would like for the start to get the evidence that they can give a birth. Only somebody who didn't have experience of real real women can claim this.

 

[tyrannicpuppy]

Wanking over some fetish is one thing. Mixing the fantasies and reality is the other. If you follow the discussion, the comment that I responded has claimed that the trans are real women. I would like for the start to get the evidence that they can give a birth. Only somebody who didn't have experience of real real women can claim this.

By that definition, any biological female who cannot give birth is also not a real woman. How about we stop caring about what other people have unless they try to shove it down your throat?

And if a dev does so, just nope the fuck out on the dev and never look back. Complaining about them putting something in their game is just banging one's head against a wall. It's their creative vision, they can do in it whatever they like. We as the consumer have the option of choosing not to engage in it any longer. Be that pulling monetary support if we were giving it, or just not playing that content any further. Continuing to try and consume something that has proven to contain a thing a person doesn't like because it also had a thing they did like, or just so they can continue to complain about it like some Karen watching midnight TV and sending in letters about how unsuitable for children it was, is just facile.

Not saying folks can't leave a comment on their way out the door stating that was their reason. But 99% of the folks that seem to have a problem with such content never actually go through the door. They stand in the doorway shouting at everyone inside and out about how the dev personally attacked them with the thing they didn't like. It reminds me of the Family Guy Phoney guy, popping up all over just to point out that one momentary upset again and again.

I would hope, given the content of this site, that we're all grown-ups here. We should be able to see something we don't like and just walk away. Instead, everyone needs to stick around and loudly give their two cents until we're all drowning like we're in Scrooge's money bin.

 

[Beduin123]

By that definition, any biological female who cannot give birth is also not a real woman. How about we stop caring about what other people have unless they try to shove it down your throat?

Do you equal two definitions: "All trans cannot give birth" and "Some women cannot give birth"? Don't you think it defies the elementary logic?
Also, I'm not sure about the wonders of the modern medicine, but most of the trans that I've seen in AVNs don't even have a vagina but have a dick instead. In this sense, technically the sex with them isn't much different from the gay sex.

I would hope, given the content of this site, that we're all grown-ups here.

I've stated above that I'm in no way engaged in kink shaming here. If somebody likes trans or gays or futas or whoever, it is all fine with me. If someone likes to imagine sucking somebody's dick, it's their own business, I'm not trying to dissuade them. As I told earlier, I have enough of my own skeletons in the closet. I just ask not to be delusional with statement that "trans women are women" or "soy meat is the real meat" or something similar. Juggling with the words doesn't change the reality.

 

[Malakai]

please stop it!
Everyone has their own opinion on this stupid, fkn retarded topic!
Oh noes! people have a diffirent opionion, than me! oh noes!
I have to flame EVERYONE that doesnt have the same opinion as me!

Oh noes! i am a reddit faggot!

STOP! it you little gaylords....

Please stop your discussion, noone with half a brain cares about YOUR bullshit.
YOU both are most likely getting this thread locked.


EDIT : Yeah, sorry for the poor choice of words, i was drunk and annoyed

 

[BadJM]

please stop it!
Everyone has their own opinion on this stupid, fkn retarded topic!
Oh noes! people have a diffirent opionion, than me! oh noes!
I have to flame EVERYONE that doesnt have the same opinion as me!

Oh noes! i am a reddit faggot!

STOP! it you little gaylords....

Please stop your discussion, noone with half a brain cares about YOUR bullshit.
YOU both are most likely getting this thread banned. i have been removed for less!

I probably wouldn't have used some of those words lol, but yea that stuff is way off topic and it's really annoying.

 

[Moss]

please stop it!
Everyone has their own opinion on this stupid, fkn retarded topic!
Oh noes! people have a diffirent opionion, than me! oh noes!
I have to flame EVERYONE that doesnt have the same opinion as me!

Oh noes! i am a reddit faggot!

STOP! it you little gaylords....

Please stop your discussion, noone with half a brain cares about YOUR bullshit.
YOU both are most likely getting this thread banned. i have been removed for less!

Well said.

 

[CrapFace]

Oh shit! I'm almost pissing my pants laughing... "the complex branching narrative that is the meticulously planned... Burned Cinematic Universe"

 

[Commando]

Trans women are women.

No just no.

 

[Moss]

No just no.

No, they're just trans women. Hence the name/description.

 

[BadJM]

Please don't start this dumb discussion again

 

[Nastastic]

No, they're just trans women. Hence the name/description.

Everyone seems to want to make a binary choice here. No one has ever seemingly heard of nuance.

There's a Venn diagram, basically, of femininity. Basically the circles would be labeled "Cis-Women", "Trans-Women" and "Trans-Men". Cis women of course are unquestionably feminine, born with female parts and identifying as female. Trans women, born male but identifying as female (and since you can't read people's minds, you can't definitively say they are crazy or making it up, and most trans people have been asserting their gender since a young age without letup, so it's not a phase like "I wanna be a firefighter" or "I wanna be a T. rex"). Trans men of course, born female but identifying as male.

The fact that trans women are neither 100% male, nor 100% female, should not be controversial.

 

[Moss]

Please don't start this dumb discussion again

I didn’t. Dirty paws did.

 

[DirtyPaws]

I didn’t. Dirty paws did.

My dude, my last comment here was 32 days ago... How am I starting things again

 

[AnotherDude3883]

Please don't start this dumb discussion again

Too bad. The dev has it in the main post, is flagrant about it, and is one of the main determining factors of disgust for many people here. Gonna get mentioned a lot. It's a bunch of gay shit, and as the dev said "Get ready for some lady dick!"

Thus the discussions will never end, neither will the mockery. Can't even be off topic'd cause the dev made it a core piece of their game with fake choices, deceptive tags and descriptions along with a mislabeling of type of game. Still amazed this shit is labeled as a "VN" when a key point of those is choices matter, and not this linear shit to force edgelord fetishes.

 

[elfieeven]

Thus the discussions will never end, neither will the mockery. Can't even be off topic'd cause the dev made it a core piece of their game with fake choices, deceptive tags and descriptions along with a mislabeling of type of game. Still amazed this shit is labeled as a "VN" when a key point of those is choices matter, and not this linear shit to force edgelord fetishes.

You do realize that VN is Visual NOVEL.. not Visual Choose your own adventure?

 

[hrmm]

You do realize that VN is Visual NOVEL.. not Visual Choose your own adventure?

Look, I'm not gonna defend them on the rest of it, but... yes, despite the name, visual novel is essentially choose your own adventure. It's why the Kinetic Novel tag exists (on-rails, no choices). Arguments about the tags tend to happen when there's technically choices but they don't matter.