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[Shawnchapp]

What is a images blur? Does it mean censored images?

just a figure of speech in other words "if it gets close to the line"

 

[Bloodheart]

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Spoiler: yeah he does some nice stuff

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[mime]

What is a images blur? Does it mean censored images?

No, "blurring lines" is a phrase that here means you're trying to do things that are almost not allowed.

 

[Shawnchapp]

No, "blurring lines" is a phrase that here means you're trying to do things that are almost not allowed.

 

[Underlord]

Damn everyone is on AI again hahaha.....what if it was real hand drawn realistic art?
Asking for a friend haha

 

[Flaming1]

They better leave your threads alone, I'll riot I swear

I expect to lose a few of the superhero cosplay pics I did, some of them likely cross the realism line, probably a few others I can't recall, but I don't think I'll get hit too hard.

 

[jnathan]

Thanks for clarifying. Without historical context, why is there a rule for AI art specifically? I can guess it's probably because people were abusing the line in some gray area, so a hard and fast rule needed to be made to stop a trend that would have caused more problems for the site. Is my guess correct? It just seems odd from the perspective of a newcomer. But this is the internet. If people can ruin things, they often will ruin things.

 

[aloysious]

Morning' Every one

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[Saturnus]

No, "blurring lines" is a phrase that here means you're trying to do things that are almost not allowed.

Blurred lines... like the music video

I won' post the gif though... too realistic

*REPORTED*

 

[Bloodheart]

Morning' Every one

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Spoiler: morning

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[jnathan]

Morning' Every one

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Oh geez, if that isn't enough incentive to go right back to bed, I don't know what is!

 

[Bloodheart]

Spoiler: before i forget i wanted to leave these here because i thought they were funny slash interesting

Spoiler: the many faces of helltaker

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[ledUsername]

Thanks for clarifying. Without historical context, why is there a rule for AI art specifically? I can guess it's probably because people were abusing the line in some gray area, so a hard and fast rule needed to be made to stop a trend that would have caused more problems for the site. Is my guess correct? It just seems odd from the perspective of a newcomer. But this is the internet. If people can ruin things, they often will ruin things.

I wasn't involved in the decision, but I've seen a lot of the discourse around AI art in the last year-ish (not on this site, but on the web in general) and I imagine what it boils down to is this: AI generated art is getting very realistic very fast. Everything on this site we accept as OK because it's all fake, so no harm is being caused by it / no harm comes from creating it. Obviously, anything that is real is very much not fucking okay.

So, what about AI that looks real? Alright, you can probably argue that it's not harmful (although even that is dubious because the AI had to be trained on something), but the problem comes when you allow stuff that is fake but looks real, because then bad actors can start passing off stuff that is real as "oh no it's just AI gen don't worry about it". That is the situation everyone should be striving to avoid. There should never be any confusion about whether or not something is real, because the moment you allow something that might be there is every chance the kind of people we don't like will take advantage of that little loophole. Can't let that door crack open, not even a sliver.

All that in mind, I totally understand the scorched earth and then tone it down approach of the mods, that's not the kind of thing you can gradually increase restrictions on to find the right spot, you gotta take it all the way to fuck no and then tone it back to what you'll allow.

 

[mime]

Damn everyone is on AI again hahaha.....what if it was real hand drawn realistic art?
Asking for a friend haha

The problem is that there's no way to tell if this was drawn by a sexy mime or made using AI, right @Guz89 ?

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[Flaming1]

The problem is that there's no way to tell if this was drawn by a sexy mime or made using AI, right @Guz89 ?

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You got coherent text. No fucking way that's AI.
Unless it's an AI pig with photoshopped text.....

 

[setzer]

*Crack* Beer two.

Numero Tres.

 

[jnathan]

I wasn't involved in the decision, but I've seen a lot of the discourse around AI art in the last year-ish (not on this site, but on the web in general) and I imagine what it boils down to is this: AI generated art is getting very realistic very fast. Everything on this site we accept as OK because it's all fake, so no harm is being caused by it / no harm comes from creating it. Obviously, anything that is real is very much not fucking okay.

So, what about AI that looks real? Alright, you can probably argue that it's not harmful (although even that is dubious because the AI had to be trained on something), but the problem comes when you allow stuff that is fake but looks real, because then bad actors can start passing off stuff that is real as "oh no it's just AI gen don't worry about it". That is the situation everyone should be striving to avoid. There should never be any confusion about whether or not something is real, because the moment you allow something that might be there is every chance the kind of people we don't like will take advantage of that little loophole. Can't let that door crack open, not even a sliver.

All that in mind, I totally understand the scorched earth and then tone it down approach of the mods, that's not the kind of thing you can gradually increase restrictions on to find the right spot, you gotta take it all the way to fuck no and then tone it back to what you'll allow.

Interesting! I didn't really consider it from the angle of morality or dubious realism. I've dabbled a lot in AI art in the past couple month, from photos to music to code to poetry, and it's all just been a hobby project that I haven't really shared with anyone (aside from some funny songs). I had different feelings about it until I actually dove in to see how good and bad it was. Now I just think of it as a tool. It can be useful to get me started on a project but won't complete anything for me on its own. With that mindset, I'm pretty far from thinking about things like stealing from artists and depicting real people in an artificial way. And yeah, I agree that the nuclear option makes moderation much more manageable. It's just awkward when there's a rule but that rule is explained in a forum a newb can't access.

 

[Archer]

Thanks for clarifying. Without historical context, why is there a rule for AI art specifically? I can guess it's probably because people were abusing the line in some gray area, so a hard and fast rule needed to be made to stop a trend that would have caused more problems for the site. Is my guess correct? It just seems odd from the perspective of a newcomer. But this is the internet. If people can ruin things, they often will ruin things.

Hosting and legal reasons I believe.

 

[jnathan]

Hosting and legal reasons I believe.

That makes sense too. It can be a legal grey area, and you don't want to find yourself in any legal trouble while hosting a community site.

 

[TheDude14]

For those asking, this means "no realistic AI generated images".

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So I have to ask. Does that mean the word permanent is going to get changed? Since it was stated that P4 could be taken away from people