discussion Abandoned Ren'Py Other Tara's Liberation or Alexia's Return [0.14.5] [RandyTyr]

[Deleted member 9689]

I'm not sure if it is appreciated to go a bit more in depth off the game, or not, but either way, I felt like analysing it, because - damn if this game wasn't really hot.
(also, what does ATF stand for? regarding skyrim mods?)

Mechanics:
- initially, the game feels a bit disorientating. it's a bit unclear what the game asks from us, why we do that we do, and when things happen.
- linked to the first point, sometimes it can feel a bit random. We can go to the inn for money there (and repeat it), we wake up with our daughter, meet people,... there seems very little rule or reason to it.
- the scenes to get stuff can get a bit repetitive. I know there is the skip button, but maybe a tiny bit of evolution would've been nice - even on the repetitive scenes.
- having a bit more stat control outside the dialogue menu would've been nice, but I can totally understand that you worked with the technical aptitude of the moment
---- Still, while initially strange, I really enjoyed the way I had to play this game. and while I did make gratious use of the skip button, overall the mechanics worked and I gradually got pretty familiar with them.

Story:
- The story is not the most complex one, but I enjoy it nonetheless. I also really like the way the different elements of the game interact with each other. From your father, to Sisi, Miri, Daniel, Barbara, they all at times cross over into each other.
- the scenes can sometimes feel reaaaally decoloured. maybe have a filter above them to add a tiny bit more colour would've been nice. I won't complain about the 3D limitations (I understood this is done with Skyrim), but sometimes it's really dark;
--- There are some incredibly powerful and deliciously perverted and sexy sccenes throughout the pretty straightforward story. I feel though there could be maybe a bit more, and maybe a bit more interconnection so that it doesn't feel like a losely interconnection game of button mashing (though it was indeed done, and I love it)

Characterisation
- while I love the game, my biggest critiscm to this awesome game perhaps is the characterisation. certainly in the first chapter, all characters seem incredibly bland with only being there to say how badly they want to be fucked by either Tara or Rex.
- Barbara is one of the only characters that is worked out a bit more in depth, but it would've been nice to see a tiny bit more character development than two scenes: one with the son and she's not ready yet and then a son where she is ready (how is this decided? what statistic is at play here?). That being said, I did not expect that, and it was a really nice addition when I saw that this was possible
- some characters also don't have anything build on them. The hermaphrodite, the two brothers, maybe a tiny bit more meat to them would've been awesome.
- also maybe have characters come back. Maybe have those two brothers that fuck each other in chapter 1, finally fuck those two young boys that pay you for sex in chapter 3?

Sex:
- there are quite a few intense and extreme fetishes here: incest, bestiality, gay and loli/shota. right now, they are a bit haphazrdly thrown around in the game, and I wonder if the dev sometimes refrains from adding certain things because he's afraid how his players might like it. a potential solution is for the player to select what he really enjoy (for example: <bestiality - not optional> <incest - not optional> <Gay - optional> <Young incest - optional> <very young incest - optional>). That way, I feel the dev might be a bit more at ease creating certain scenes
- I do really appreciate that the dev has the openes of mind to include gay shota incest scenes in this work. I know this is not for everyone; but I do hope there will be more (and perhaps even a bit more intense)
- certain scenes have the possiblity to change the way that sex happens (for example, when Daniel and Tara go outside, and you can either let Miri take Rex or Tara). It would be nice if this happens in more scenes. I was soooo much looking forward to a scene where Tara would have Daniel be fucked by the bull when they were looking after the cows.
- you give Tara a certain amount of tools: Red the Dog, Miri your young daughter, Daniel your young son. It would be nice if - as the game progresses - more (and perhaps more extreme) tools were added to this list. and also, that the player could choose which "perverted tool" to use to advance the plot. for example, when Tara met that creature in the dungeon, the only option was to offer Miri, but I would've liked to offer Daniel.

 

[Augustus]

I'm not sure if it is appreciated to go a bit more in depth off the game, or not, but either way, I felt like analysing it, because - damn if this game wasn't really hot.

It is!

- the scenes to get stuff can get a bit repetitive. I know there is the skip button, but maybe a tiny bit of evolution would've been nice - even on the repetitive scenes.

In Chapter 1, most of the repeatable scenes have some evolution in them - however, this can often be hidden if you first encounter the scene while already having sufficiently high liberation for its final form. I've mostly stopped doing this later, because the "backing out"-stuff no longer made sense, and it's just more work to add these. (Many scenes still have minor variations based on other parameters though).

- the scenes can sometimes feel reaaaally decoloured. maybe have a filter above them to add a tiny bit more colour would've been nice. I won't complain about the 3D limitations (I understood this is done with Skyrim), but sometimes it's really dark;

When toying around with the videos, I noticed that increasing the saturation made them more colourful in a way I liked better. I might eventually look into whether I can make a script increase saturation of all existing pictures and movies, as a kind of remaster. But that requires me to be in the mood for fiddling with technology

Characterisation
- while I love the game, my biggest critiscm to this awesome game perhaps is the characterisation. certainly in the first chapter, all characters seem incredibly bland with only being there to say how badly they want to be fucked by either Tara or Rex.

This is definitely something I've been trying to get better at. For characters, I'm a discovery writer; so as I keep writing I'm learning more things about the characters. In Chapter 1 for example I knew nothing about Daniel except that he was a shy teenager. Now I have a clearer picture in mind, and hopefully I'm getting some of that across.

Sex:
- there are quite a few intense and extreme fetishes here: incest, bestiality, gay and loli/shota. right now, they are a bit haphazrdly thrown around in the game, and I wonder if the dev sometimes refrains from adding certain things because he's afraid how his players might like it. a potential solution is for the player to select what he really enjoy (for example: <bestiality - not optional> <incest - not optional> <Gay - optional> <Young incest - optional> <very young incest - optional>). That way, I feel the dev might be a bit more at ease creating certain scenes
- I do really appreciate that the dev has the openes of mind to include gay shota incest scenes in this work. I know this is not for everyone; but I do hope there will be more (and perhaps even a bit more intense)

There are three potential reasons for why certain content isn't included: A) I dislike it myself, or I don't "get" it enough to feel confident writing it. B) I haven't been able to make the visual work (eg I'd love to have snakes and nipple-fucking, but I don't think that's feasible) C) I haven't gotten around to it yet

Potential player dislikes do factor in whether content is optional or not, but if never refrained from adding something I thought was hot because others might not like it.

- certain scenes have the possiblity to change the way that sex happens (for example, when Daniel and Tara go outside, and you can either let Miri take Rex or Tara). It would be nice if this happens in more scenes. I was soooo much looking forward to a scene where Tara would have Daniel be fucked by the bull when they were looking after the cows.

I've searched quite intensively for bull-fucking animations, without success. As far as sex animations are concerned, it seems that Skyrim has only cows, no bulls . So that's a clear example for the technology not being there (and I have no clue how to built animations myself).

- you give Tara a certain amount of tools: Red the Dog, Miri your young daughter, Daniel your young son. It would be nice if - as the game progresses - more (and perhaps more extreme) tools were added to this list. and also, that the player could choose which "perverted tool" to use to advance the plot. for example, when Tara met that creature in the dungeon, the only option was to offer Miri, but I would've liked to offer Daniel.

This is an angle I definitely enjoy, but also something which isn't always easy to pull off. Within the setting of the game world, Tara is a morally steadfast loving mother. It is tricky to write scenes that has her exploit her childrens' sexuality without compromising that. For whatever reason, I'm feeling more comfortable being "mean" to Daniel than to Miri, on the other hand, Miri is the more mature one and hence can give more informed consent. Thus, there are scenes I can write for one but not the other. The Warlord scene is one where I contemplated offering a Daniel-variant. I wasn't sure whether I would be comfortable with how the scene would turn out, and since offering less options is always less work, that's what I went with.

 

[Volvo2004]

having problem enter room 50
comes to rooom 49 then error message

 

[Augustus]

having problem enter room 50
comes to rooom 49 then error message

Are you playing the latest version? Are there any .rpy or .rpyc files in the "game" folder?

 

[sirneversleep]

How is v13 coming along?

 

[origeee]

I hope Augustus is doing fine and he's just busy with his job or has burnt out which is also perfectly fine.

 

[Augustus]

I hope Augustus is doing fine and he's just busy with his job or has burnt out which is also perfectly fine.

Good news: I am doing fine, and I still have every intention to complete this project.
Bad news: Today was the first time since the previous update when I had both time and motivation to work on v.13 (both time and motivation were around individually before ). So no big anniversary update next week.

It seems plausible to me (as always, no guarantees) that I'll have something for you next month. The plan for v.13 is a small update that just adds some scenes here and there. I have plenty of scenes planned, and will just have to see which ones make it into v.13, and which will have to wait for v.14.

After today, the progress is 2 scenes (one with Kamina and one with Jana) with about 2k words and 10 animations.

 

[sirneversleep]

Good news: I am doing fine, and I still have every intention to complete this project.
Bad news: Today was the first time since the previous update when I had both time and motivation to work on v.13 (both time and motivation were around individually before ). So no big anniversary update next week.

It seems plausible to me (as always, no guarantees) that I'll have something for you next month. The plan for v.13 is a small update that just adds some scenes here and there. I have plenty of scenes planned, and will just have to see which ones make it into v.13, and which will have to wait for v.14.

After today, the progress is 2 scenes (one with Kamina and one with Jana) with about 2k words and 10 animations.

Glad to hear you are okay and that you're still committed to completing the project. Hope you're doing well friend

 

[Adams92]

I'm really looking forward to the next update!!!
This game is for me one of the best I've ever played, if not the best!!!

 

[94-kun]

I noticed that all the files from Gofile are no longer available.

 

[Tiur]

I noticed that all the files from Gofile are no longer available.

That's normal for GoFile. If no one clicks on a GoFile link for 10 days, the link is deleted. It's the tradeoff for it being otherwise the most reliable free DL site.

 

[Augustus]

Change of plans. I'm almost done with the scenes I had planned as the core of v0.13. However, when testing I noticed that the timing just doesn't work well - you'd be skipping over days afer days with only repeated scenes to hunt the new stuff.


Just to recap, scenes generally have a requirement that Tara either is visibly pregnant or is not (with some scenes demanding that she isn't pregnant at all, because she's getting impregnated in them). Tara's babybump starts showing 15 days after impregnation, and she can give birth 45 days after impregnation. The new scenes include several chances for her to become pregnant, but most of them require her to be not visibly pregnant. Hence, the issue with having to skip and skip until the 45 days are over and she can give birth.

What I am currently considering is to add (some of) the school content. That would at least mean that those of you who already grinded to built the school have stuff happening. The school content would happen on temple days, and those need more content the most. The school content would also be quite heavy on LC-exclusive content (basically, everyone gets to teach other subjects as well as sex ed for the older students - sex ed for the younger ones will require the bonus patch).

TLDR: New update will come a bit later, but with more stuff.

 

[Augustus]

The game has reached an important milestone in its development:


The main themes are, as you know, incest, bestiality and impregnation. I like to think that I've delivered decent amounts of content in all three categories from the beginning on. Today, however, I completed the first scene that does all three at once.

 

[Augustus]

I've sprted out my plans for the school content, and started writing. Here is how it is going to work:

Once the school has been built, Tara can go and teach a class on temple days. There is a variety of lessons to deliver, including but not limited to sex ed. Whenever she is teaching, the player can pick one of two offered lessons. If a lesson is delivered successfully, it is removed from the list for the future. For example, the lesson on geography involves getting a few questions right. Fail, and it may appear as an option again, succed, and it's gone - which makes it more likely that the two choices you get next time involve something spicier. Every successful lesson will give some progress towards prosperity, successful sex ed lessons also give progress towards liberation. Sex ed scenes will include sex ed with the older students (age range Daniel - Susi) by default. If you use the bonus patch, there will be also sex ed lessons for younger students (whom we haven't met yet). In v0.13, expect maybe 2-3 regular and 1-2 younger students sex ed lessons, with more in later updates.

As I mentioned earlier, the coming update will also include scenes with the canine offspring of Miri and Tara. There you will typically be able to select which dog you want, and the dialogue will not only use the name of the dog, but also include references to its parentage (eg you'll get different dialogue if Miri fucks a dog-who-is-her-brother than if she fucks a dog-who-is-her-son). I may even include a bit here or there where the code checks a bit further up the family tree (eg what if Tara has a dog-son with her dog-son, and then fucks a dog who is both her son and her grandson), but I'm quite sure that will get too complicated quickly. What the choice will not impact is the visuals: Each scene will have a dog looking one particular way, so a named dog may look one way in one scene and a different way some other scene. Anything else would just be way too much work.

 

[kz1749]

also include references to its parentage (eg you'll get different dialogue if Miri fucks a dog-who-is-her-brother than if she fucks a dog-who-is-her-son). I may even include a bit here or there where the code checks a bit further up the family tree (eg what if Tara has a dog-son with her dog-son, and then fucks a dog who is both her son and her grandson), but I'm quite sure that will get too complicated quickly. What the choice will not impact is the visuals: Each scene will have a dog looking one particular way, so a named dog may look one way in one scene and a different way some other scene. Anything else would just be way too much work.

For sure it's the text that makes those scenes hot, isn't it? The renders/animations can be generic if the text is, uh, relevant. And spicy.

 

[Augustus]

So, the new update should be done today, or tomorrow at the latest. I've got one scene to write and one scene to shoot and write. (Oh, and a third scene where I haven't decided yet whether to include it in v0.13 or postpone it to v0.14). The update is maybe half the size of v0.12, but then v0.12 was huge for my standards. Still, v0.13 will eg have more animations than any update prior to v0.12.

The bonus patch for v0.13 includes two scenes at the school, as well as a small addition to one scene in the base game (Tara conceiving a child with Baron Mallard).

 

[Augustus]

And here it is:

Update v0.12 -> v0.13beta:

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Bonus:

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Instructions: Place all *.rpa files into the "game"-folder.

Note that this a beta-version - it is very plausible that I've overlooked some bugs here or there. If you spot something, please let me know (and if everything works fine, please also let me know until the point when I announce the "real" release). In all likelihood, the file chapter4b.rpa is stable, and any bugfixes only involve downloading a new scripts.rpa.

In the spoiler below is a list of all new scenes and their preconditions. Of course, this means is an actual spoiler - but if you stop seeing new stuff, you can check whether you've missed something. Note that depending on your choices and random chance, getting every single scene possible might be a bit grindy. Once it starts feeling repetetive, consider waiting for v0.14, which will add more scenes.

Spoiler

Family day

Give birth to the Baron's baby - pregnant with Baron's baby for over 45 days
Kamina aftermath - not visibly pregnant, encouraged Kamina at wedding
Miri accosts Baron - Miri is visibly pregnant, Baron's baby is born
Futa-Tara & Dan - visibly pregnant, did Futa-scene with Alexia
Miri plays with puppy - Miri is not pregnant, youngest dog is between 10 and 45 days old

Castle day

Jana returns I - not pregnant, talked to Baron before (shortened unless encouraged during wedding)
Jana returns II - pregnant with Jana's baby for over 45 days
Baron Edgar - started construction on Avontine bridge, not visibly pregnant, liberation at least 40
Baroness Angelique - not visibly pregnant, Baron Edgar happened over 15 days ago
Miri accosts Baron - Miri is visibly pregnant, Baron's baby is born
Motivate workers - ruling for at least 60 days, pregnant but not visibly so
Baron's Offer - talk to Baron while not pregnant and baron score at least 100

Construction:
Repair Avontine bridge - after Jana returns
Inspect Avontine bridge - Baron Edgar happened, repairs started 50 days ago, Tara visibly pregnant
(Built school needs 10 wealth)
Expedite school - ruled for 100 days

Temple day

Futa-Tara & Alexia - Chapter 4 started over 69 days ago, visibly pregnant
Heather - visibly pregnant, liberation at least 35

School
6 regular lessons
Sex ed: Dogs - Miri is not pregnant
Sex ed: Gay sex I - not visibly pregnant
Sex ed: Younger pupils I - visibly pregnant but not by a dog
Sex ed: Younger pupils II - visibly pregnant

 

[Augustus]

I've updated the scripts.rpa file in the link above. If you've downloaded the earlier one, please replace it with the new one.


There are two bugfixes in there:
- There was a bug in recording the gender of Tara's baby with the Baron. This bug should be fixed for the future. The script should also fix the bug retroactively, provided that Tara did not have a baby other than a cisgirl with her father or son after the baby with the Baron. (In particular, if she had no baby, or only Jana's baby, after the one with the Baron, it works). In other cases, the genders of the babies may be mixed up.


- It is no longer possible to expedite the construction of the school if it is already (almost) done.


I've got one more bug report regarding baby-birth which I haven't understood yet. It might be a side effect of the bug mentioned above.

 

[origeee]

Bliss required for anything yet ?

 

[Augustus]

Bliss required for anything yet ?

Bliss is required for giving birth. A regular* birth costs 10 bliss (and is only available if you have those 10). So bliss is essentially a resource, and I don't plan to lock scenes behind high bliss requirements.


* Meaning, of a human baby that is going to stay with Tara. Currently applies to babies fathered on Tara by the Count, Daniel or the Baron. But eventually also eg Barbara and Dan's baby will fall into that category.