discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[MoesephMoeseph's icon]

If this is "good to read" I don't know...

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Weird, the same post on my screen is super easy to read.

Guess you're just shooting yourself in the foot using blinding mode in 2026

 

[J.R.]

Weird, the same post on my screen is super easy to read.

Guess you're just shooting yourself in the foot using blinding mode in 2026

Seems you don't get me. With the dark theme I normally use myself it's also ok for me (therefore my recommendation for the other guy). I only wanted to point out that the fonts/colors on the OP are unreadable with the light theme.

 

[MoesephMoeseph's icon]

Seems you don't get me. With the dark theme I normally use myself it's also ok for me (therefore my recommendation for the other guy). I only wanted to point out that the fonts/colors on the OP are unreadable with the light theme.

Ah, sorry about that, I've got memory damage and misremembered that you were the one responding to the person using the light theme

But even then, interestingly I don't have a problem reading it even on the light theme, I just hate being blinded

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I guess that doesn't do it justice since it compresses it quite a bit, but anyway...

Guess y'all convinced me to give this one a go, I just hope it's a good length and not abandoned at a pivotal moment in the story

 

[Republican Bear]

If this is "good to read" I don't know...

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The problem seems to be your using light mode which most members I talk to don't. As that setting puts to much strain on my eyes.

Also it's the color text and the glow that is the cluprit on that white background. Mines the same on that setting.

You can disable those options so they don't show up with each member, but I'm not sure if it affects uploader's.

Edit: Ignoring the options on his profile works and makes the text go back to it's original color.

 

[Chola22]

You forgot it's Patreon slop, so he can't do anything that makes an AVN interesting or worthwhile plot wise. It's not just a lack of lolis or incest (those 2 just tend to get the most people bitching about lack of it), but a long list of things are not allowed, it why Patreon sucks (and now so does every other one for the most part). But, hey, if you want to make a podcast show just about how much you hate p3dophiles, neo-Nazis or any other fringe group (which used to apply to LGBT's, Jews and blacks as well but I guess that's not in style anymore) and use it to make/recruit for a vigilante group that's all well and good apparently.

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Luxee doesn't really do it for the money, it's a hobby (as every AVN should be). He makes an update when he feels like it, money or not. For the most part from what I heard he only unpauses it during a month when a new update is out, which happens 1-2x a year. Not making much money = Patreon doesn't notice and no one has snitched to them I guess, as if they did he would be gone, they ban devs for anything they do on the internet they don't like, even if not on Patreon at all (apparently not only is the Pope part of their management but so is a bunch of cancel-culture morons).

But like, why do you have this philosophy that it "must necessarily be just a hobby"? I mean, if it’s something that brings you satisfaction, why shouldn’t the person want to make money from it? If that bothers you, then why exactly does it bother you? Because if we’re being logical, money creates a huge incentive for the developer, and not just money, the prospect of growth as well. I’m talking neurochemistry here: more dopamine gets released when someone does what they love and gets paid for it. And there’s also the time factor, with monetary incentive you can dedicate more time to the work, which means faster updates. So to me, there are only good reasons to pay developers. Why stick to a philosophy that has no grounding in reality?

 

[skybreaker1780]

I haven't looked at other comments yet, but I think the same creator made a "sequel" called So Much To Love

Looks like the girls are aged up

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[gank]

I’m new to this game so please forgive me, I’ve read about 5-6 pages back on what’s going on.
My question is about the game in the OP on this thread. The one we have here, that’s the latest version before all the controversy? The good version?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I’m new to this game so please forgive me, I’ve read about 5-6 pages back on what’s going on.
My question is about the game in the OP on this thread. The one we have here, that’s the latest version before all the controversy? The good version?

It depends on your definition of good. If you like lolis and incest with a story completely built around that with top-end Daz rendering like me then yes, despite the abrupt ending (with I just assume is a dead MC/bad ending we can;t do anything about).

 

[gank]

Thank you, and yes, that sounds fantastic

 

[Nicest_Incest]

But like, why do you have this philosophy that it "must necessarily be just a hobby"? I mean, if it’s something that brings you satisfaction, why shouldn’t the person want to make money from it? If that bothers you, then why exactly does it bother you? Because if we’re being logical, money creates a huge incentive for the developer, and not just money, the prospect of growth as well. I’m talking neurochemistry here: more dopamine gets released when someone does what they love and gets paid for it. And there’s also the time factor, with monetary incentive you can dedicate more time to the work, which means faster updates. So to me, there are only good reasons to pay developers. Why stick to a philosophy that has no grounding in reality?

Because that's the best way to do it overall, if one values artistic integrity. As it is now 99% of crap might as well be produced by Patreon themselves (or more likely just AI making it with the "dev" just guiding it with prompts, once that eventually gets good enough to be indistinguishable from human effort). Now, if pp's and platforms not only kept their boots of creators' necks but took a completely laissez-faire approach by all means if you can profit go for it, but as it is now it's not worth it for multiple reasons other than censorship vulnerability. For one the market is flooded with vanilla garbage not worth paying for and easy enough to find for free (to me why would Eskimos buy ice?). And I'm probably not the only one that sees AVNs as just a way to fap to things to avoid prison if they were real, it's why SSP was among my favs. If it's the same kinks as real porn then I might as well go fap to real porn (which for mainstream sites other than Luxure.tv, Madnessporn, etc also doesn't do much for me, only vanilla kink that comes to mind is maybe hairy pussy, but I'm rarely in that mood, and it will prob be the next kink to be banned anyway). If it's Just a compelling story that's good enough to stand on it's own even without sex scenes (rare) someone somewhere will make a movie of it based on the AVN and sell it to Netflix so I could just watch it there.

 

[Fairfield]

The problem seems to be your using light mode which most members I talk to don't. As that setting puts to much strain on my eyes.

Is light mode black on white, or white on black? I like black text on a white background. In the manner of a book. Worked quite well for 600 years. Outlining, blurring, bolding, shadowing, italicising, all that jazz, please no. Again, there's a reason why italics and bold have generally been used only when it was really necessary.

 

[Lostandquiet73]

But like, why do you have this philosophy that it "must necessarily be just a hobby"? I mean, if it’s something that brings you satisfaction, why shouldn’t the person want to make money from it? If that bothers you, then why exactly does it bother you? Because if we’re being logical, money creates a huge incentive for the developer, and not just money, the prospect of growth as well. I’m talking neurochemistry here: more dopamine gets released when someone does what they love and gets paid for it. And there’s also the time factor, with monetary incentive you can dedicate more time to the work, which means faster updates. So to me, there are only good reasons to pay developers. Why stick to a philosophy that has no grounding in reality?

Well, I already addressed this before but here again is the issue plus some extra comments:

You can try to make as much money as you want from your hobbies, just bear in mind that:
You have no guarantee your hobby will consistently work as a source of income for you, and by the time you habituate to receiving money from your hobby, then the moment you stop being rewarded not only will you stop enjoying your hobby, you will just stop doing it outright. Aldor is a nice example of this. Yeah, he is technically still doing AVNs, but Patreonslop at this point. He is not doing what he likes (or maybe what he used to like) anymore, and what plenty of people followed him for anymore*, he's just doing what he needs to do for money...which is not equivalent to his old hobby.
Additionally, if we were being logical, we wouldn't intuit that 'money = incentive for a developer'. Motivation research does not simply state money = incentive towards anything. Quality of creative work is not always a function of external incentives, and people have been shown to work better solving issues creatively when the incentive is actually not just money. We do hobbies, and we do them well, because we inherently like them, not because they are a potential source of income. That doesn't mean people should work for free, but it does mean that you have to understand that money is a source of incentive as well as of pressure and it can both incentivize and undermine: you are pressured to do things in particular deadlines, catering to specific people, as money is contingent on all these things. Pressure can undermine quality in many cases.
But the biggest issue here is not money pressuring people. Aldor managed to still guarantee quality content even while juggling SMTL, EGBE (rest in peace my favorite loli AVN), and SSP. The real problem is that hobbies are not always consistent sources of income, and this is what I addressed in my previous reply. Loli AVNs in the West don't make a good source of income, and developers thinking otherwise has led to plenty loli AVNs being abandoned in favor of finding a whole different hobby or doing vanilla content.
Additionally, the dopamine narrative is just simplistic neuroslop at this point too. Please stop using neurotransmitters as the modern equivalent of medieval humors.

*Don't tell me y'all really thought SSP was great just because it had great assets or a nice plot, it was the loli AVN with the best assets in its niche, also catering to other fetishes like incest, MILF, and shota immersed in a nice story. There are nicer stories out there without appealing to these fetishes and philias and with wonderful assets for adult characters, so what really made Aldor one of a kind was the ability to graphically tell compelling and erotic stories for niches normally only occupied by amateurs. He was essentially the apex predator in the loli AVN development food chain. Now he's competing against an entire industry dedicated to credit-card-company-approved content for adults.

 

[Chola22]

Okay, okay, I get both of your points of view, but I think there are some issues with them. First, about the "vanilla garbage" thing, look, I've played dozens of games, many without loli or anything like that, and man... they're all completely different from each other. The stories, dialogues, narrative, scene building, plot, and so on, all of that is part of what makes the game. Saying they're all the same just because they're "vanilla" is totally unrealistic. It's like you're ignoring every aspect of the game and only caring about your fetish. That ties into your criticism of "if it's vanilla, why not just watch porn instead?" Well, that's the thing, to me, playing a game is way more like reading a book than watching porn, haha, because the narrative actually matters. That's the whole point of playing it, not just watching.

Now, on the monetization point, I get the criticism, but it doesn't invalidate my argument that money is a huge incentive. Dude, there are people who work insane hours every day to push out updates, and even if it's something the dev generally finds interesting to work on, you know what the real deal is? Work sucks! Even when it's something you like, coding, fixing code problems, dealing with images, creating dialogues, etc., it's a drag. It creates stress, it creates anxiety. Sorry, but that's the truth. It's completely unrealistic to think someone would go through that kind of stress for free. Could there be people like that? Sure, but it's kind of crazy. The person has to sacrifice things for it.

I get the desire for more loli games, I want that too, but I'm not going to blind myself over it. Games are different, and there are some truly amazing ones without any of that, games that would never keep going if it weren't for the money, and yeah, it's sad that these norms and restrictions exist. But man, you're guys are seeing things in a pretty distorted way just to fit your personal frustrations.

 

[Lostandquiet73]

Okay, okay, I get both of your points of view, but I think there are some issues with them. First, about the "vanilla garbage" thing, look, I've played dozens of games, many without loli or anything like that, and man... they're all completely different from each other. The stories, dialogues, narrative, scene building, plot, and so on, all of that is part of what makes the game. Saying they're all the same just because they're "vanilla" is totally unrealistic. It's like you're ignoring every aspect of the game and only caring about your fetish. That ties into your criticism of "if it's vanilla, why not just watch porn instead?" Well, that's the thing, to me, playing a game is way more like reading a book than watching porn, haha, because the narrative actually matters. That's the whole point of playing it, not just watching.

Now, on the monetization point, I get the criticism, but it doesn't invalidate my argument that money is a huge incentive. Dude, there are people who work insane hours every day to push out updates, and even if it's something the dev generally finds interesting to work on, you know what the real deal is? Work sucks! Even when it's something you like, coding, fixing code problems, dealing with images, creating dialogues, etc., it's a drag. It creates stress, it creates anxiety. Sorry, but that's the truth. It's completely unrealistic to think someone would go through that kind of stress for free. Could there be people like that? Sure, but it's kind of crazy. The person has to sacrifice things for it.

I get the desire for more loli games, I want that too, but I'm not going to blind myself over it. Games are different, and there are some truly amazing ones without any of that, games that would never keep going if it weren't for the money, and yeah, it's sad that these norms and restrictions exist. But man, you're guys are seeing things in a pretty distorted way just to fit your personal frustrations.

I don't develop for free. In fact, I don't develop at all. Maybe because of it, there is something about developing that I don't understand and that, if you are not earning money from it, then it is not something worth doing, in which case it was never a hobby to begin with, just an enjoyable side-hustle.
However, I do have other stressful hobbies which I don't really need to elaborate on here, and I don't feel the need to monetize them. But to each their own. Just remember that there are consequences to everything, including monetizing loli content, and Aldor has suffered them.

 

[Bone]

If this is "good to read" I don't know...

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[gank]

Shit. So I just finished season one. That ending, god damn…
So, that’s it? Gonna check out the three side stories, but as far as the main story… so it’s finished? I guess the abandoned tag says it all. That’s too bad, the game was pretty damn amazing.

 

[spiderfff]

I'm still waiting for an update even knowing it's almost impossible.

 

[gank]

In terms of game length, is this on a league of its own? Or are there equally good ones with similar smol content?
How are the Black Heart games? I really liked Dire Desires, but that seems like the only game with smol characters.

 

[Malakai]

In terms of game length, is this on a league of its own? Or are there equally good ones with similar smol content?
How are the Black Heart games? I really liked Dire Desires, but that seems like the only game with smol characters.

If you like DD and SSP and dont mind darker themes, you should check out The Guardian, also from Black Heart Games.

Complete VN Ren'Py DAZ  Thread 'The Guardian [v1.0.0] [Blackheart Games]'

Oct 2, 2023

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Overview:
As a member of the Delucci Family, you are a made man... until one day, someone attempts to take the life of your ex-wife, and her children. You are appointed their Guardian, as per custom for any family members of the Delucci Family. The problem is, the children don't know who you truly are. While protecting them, will you be the loving Guardian? A controlling Protector, or will you use fear to make them respect you. What kind of Guardian will you turn out to be?​

Spoiler: Genre:

male protagonist, male domination, bdsm, anal sex, vaginal sex, loli, slave, incest...

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That one is a bit older and complete. And also has alot of smol content

 

[gank]

Oh nice, thanks, I’ll check that out next!