discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[ramvivat]

about Mark's personality, his moral character.
I don't agree with those who think that Mark is an asshole. He tries to play the cards he was dealt. Well, yes, sometimes he whines internally, but he doesn't show it externally.
I don't understand why people treat him like that. His parents formed him like that. Parents determine first and foremost what kind of person a child will grow up to be - not only genetically, but also by their behavior at home and in public.
In short, here you either have to blame everyone - or blame no one. And in general, we often see a speck in someone else's eye without noticing a splinter in our own, don't we?
The way Mark behaved with Tiffany - but how could he behave with her? Not make Tiffany his underage wife? Well, let's say if he was going to play with her and break up - then there's no point in talking, this is unworthy behavior, no person who considers himself a man should behave like that. But if he takes Tiffany into his harem to take care of her, protect her, cherish and pamper her - then everything is fine. he can even convince (underaged) Tiffany to have sex with him and not be an asshole about it (because I repeat he takes her as his wife). and as I understand it, he is going to fix the relationship with Eva, take on his shoulders the care of Eva too, making her also one of his wives. so why is Mark an asshole?
then we should blame Leana for the initial corruption of Tiffany - she put the thought of "making love to daddy" into the baby's head - Mark did not ask Leana about that. also Mark has a soft spot for Tiffany - he could not resist her when Tiffany made a move, albeit under Leana's persuasion, blindly, not really guessing where it would actually lead her. by the way, she was not disappointed in Mark, who in his own way takes care of her and values her = loves her.
and to blame Mark only because public morality says so - forgive me, at the very least it is short-sighted, and at the most it looks like hypocrisy. forgive me if I was harsh. by the way, I have no right to blame those who are guided by public morality - they simply may not realize that public morality is hypocritical.
hell - yes, either blame everyone - or blame no one.
after all, wasn't it Tiffany who suffered from loneliness with her own mother and found happiness in the arms of Mark-the-seducer? Do you have enough heart to deny it?

 

[ramvivat]

Honest question, would anyone seriously get mad and cry NTR if MC had a son and joined in the fun? I really don't understand how your characters son getting some would upset the player...

It's also a nice sequel setup if ketzal was interested in doing that

well it will be friendly sharing - not NTR-NTR (with humilation).
friendly sharing is caring - isn't it?
if i was father of a son and have harem - well my male strength is not ethernal you know - my wifes still need dicking. woman can be good fuck also after expiring her fertility period (and man is not, alas) and family maybe incest-harem - an from here sex with blood related is pretty good thing. what happent in a family - stays in the family, right?
and if young cock will show respect to me - then why the hell not - let he stomp my chicks if i yet can't.

besides - isn't it hot to deepen inbreeding within your family, essentially starting a eugenics program within your family? it's fucking SMOKING hot...

By the way, who remembers "God Emperor of Dune"? Remember Leto got a bride? And Leto wanted his future wife to bear children from Duncan Idaho.
Delegation of powers of the male inseminator in the harem from father to son is not treason. It is just a delegation.
yes "from outer side" it looks like cuckolding but from the inner side it is delegation.

 

[Freyr]

about Mark's personality, his moral character.
I don't agree with those who think that Mark is an asshole. He tries to play the cards he was dealt. Well, yes, sometimes he whines internally, but he doesn't show it externally.
I don't understand why people treat him like that. His parents formed him like that. Parents determine first and foremost what kind of person a child will grow up to be - not only genetically, but also by their behavior at home and in public.
In short, here you either have to blame everyone - or blame no one. And in general, we often see a speck in someone else's eye without noticing a splinter in our own, don't we?
The way Mark behaved with Tiffany - but how could he behave with her? Not make Tiffany his underage wife? Well, let's say if he was going to play with her and break up - then there's no point in talking, this is unworthy behavior, no person who considers himself a man should behave like that. But if he takes Tiffany into his harem to take care of her, protect her, cherish and pamper her - then everything is fine. he can even convince (underaged) Tiffany to have sex with him and not be an asshole about it (because I repeat he takes her as his wife). and as I understand it, he is going to fix the relationship with Eva, take on his shoulders the care of Eva too, making her also one of his wives. so why is Mark an asshole?
then we should blame Leana for the initial corruption of Tiffany - she put the thought of "making love to daddy" into the baby's head - Mark did not ask Leana about that. also Mark has a soft spot for Tiffany - he could not resist her when Tiffany made a move, albeit under Leana's persuasion, blindly, not really guessing where it would actually lead her. by the way, she was not disappointed in Mark, who in his own way takes care of her and values her = loves her.
and to blame Mark only because public morality says so - forgive me, at the very least it is short-sighted, and at the most it looks like hypocrisy. forgive me if I was harsh. by the way, I have no right to blame those who are guided by public morality - they simply may not realize that public morality is hypocritical.
hell - yes, either blame everyone - or blame no one.
after all, wasn't it Tiffany who suffered from loneliness with her own mother and found happiness in the arms of Mark-the-seducer? Do you have enough heart to deny it?

In itself you are right.

However I think real strength of character would be to break free from all of it.

The right thing to do would have been this: the MC should have regretted what happened with Alice in the beginning, repented and tried to patch things up with Cassie. Instead of running to Nicole and deepening the corruption of Alice and himself. It would have been a continuous life of temptation, like that of a recovered alcoholic, with the forbidden fruit constantly dangling in front of him, but not allowing himself to eat it. And obviously it would not make for a very good porn game.

Especially given his past and given his present family situation (including being in charge of the family business!) it's nearly impossible for him to resist this temptation.

This still doesn't give the MC carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

A young guy growing up without a father and an abusive mother in a poor and criminal neighbourhood may also be likely to join a gang. But if he gets shot or if he goes to prison, it's still his fault.

 

[chester1530]

In itself you are right.

However I think real strength of character would be to break free from all of it.

The right thing to do would have been this: the MC should have regretted what happened with Alice in the beginning, repented and tried to patch things up with Cassie. Instead of running to Nicole and deepening the corruption of Alice and himself. It would have been a continuous life of temptation, like that of a recovered alcoholic, with the forbidden fruit constantly dangling in front of him, but not allowing himself to eat it. And obviously it would not make for a very good porn game.

Especially given his past and given his present family situation (including being in charge of the family business!) it's nearly impossible for him to resist this temptation.

This still doesn't give the MC carte blanche to do whatever he wants.

A young guy growing up without a father and an abusive mother in a poor and criminal neighbourhood may also be likely to join a gang. But if he gets shot or if he goes to prison, it's still his fault.

 

[chester1530]

As much incest as there is as far as how many generations and cross-generations there are so far the sequel probably wouldn't get a pregnancy tag, because everyone would be sterile and die before 40, which is basically how the Hapsburgs ended, even though that took ~500 years due to it being mostly cousins rather than moms, aunts and sisters, much like the Colt family that was well on it's way out after 4-5 generations by the time the local authorities discovered them.

I'm hallucinating, in a good way, it's a game and of course it's not real, but I've managed to learn about inbreeding, real history classes (I add that the Spanish royal family "the Bourbons" also have that genetic defect of reproducing among cousins many times). generations), well in addition to being a game that "drives me crazy" in the end I learn about medicine and history, I love this game... and history.

 

[superpuma]

I think MC should have flashbacks with Nicole (smoll) since he already had sexual relations with his mother, aunt and who knows who else, why wouldn't he have with his sister? It doesn't make sense, especially since he saw her having sex with her aunt. A sexual relationship with Nicole, without vaginal penetration for example, but oral, manual... anal would make perfect sense. The guy got it from A to Z, the fact is that MC was raised to be an incestuous, so this is something normal for him (I believe it was and still is in some countries where hypocrisy and false morals have not yet taken over). By the way, this is a family where sex is free as has been proven many times, for example, with Cassey, Nicole and Eve serving their adorable daughters on silver platters to MC. And may it continue like this... LOL
KETZAL... you will have a lot of work. LOL

 

[ramvivat]

many times

heh. but not only, bro... not only that.
why does no one pay attention to what was happening nearby, around these events of the royal court? what did they eat then, what air did they breathe?
no, of course it is easy and simple to blame everything on incest.
but I never tire of repeating that inbreeding does not cause deviations - it only amplifies them, like two radios working at low volume, suddenly find themselves on the same wavelength - they both start playing loud and clear without using the volume control - they mutually amplify each other. although the radios can be from different manufacturers.

I am sure that inbreeding is to blame, but not inbreeding itself, but a combination of factors - maybe excessive diligence in drinking wine or eating, for example, the same frogs that were caught from radioactive places - or other factors, together they played their fatal role.
why did I have such a heated speech? because those who talk about the guilt of incest and inbreeding - make only incest and inbreeding guilty.
and this is fundamentally wrong!!!

it's like saying that it's hot in a coat. of course it's hot if it's summer and hot outside - then it will be hot in a coat. but if it's snowing and winter outside, then it could be that even in a coat it's cold.

if inbreeding were as dangerous as it's portrayed - then even the first episode would have dire consequences. but fortunately, it's been correctly noted about long-term inbreeding. but again - if people were healthy... if people were healthy - inbreeding would have nothing to cling to.
we need to find out what happened to the royal family, what hereditary diseases they had - then we can talk about incest in that family in a negative way.
otherwise, it's just malicious manipulation with the aim of misleading.

 

[superpuma]

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[Nicest_Incest]

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They're in the same class I'm assuming, so same age (15), her boobs are just smaller than Alice's. Leanna/Hailey have no boobs yet, they're flatter than Kansas and 10yo (so loli). I never really noticed that discepancy much before (I mostly read during the normal moments) but yeah she looks like Leanna's age in 1 but Alice's in 2. Pretty sure 2 was what was intended, because how many 15yo's hang out with a 10yo and even go to the same high school? Dunno, I guess Ketzal originally planned to make her another loli then changed his mind so Alice wouldn't be friendless (Leanna/Hailey already have each other and sometimes Tiffany too), but forgot to rerender the first one. As far as Luna, she already fucks her dad (that also works for MC in SSP) if you followed the comic she started in, and some sensitive people would consider that NTR if MC started banging her too while she's still fucking her dad off-camera, even when those are presumably 2 totally separate universes.

 

[superpuma]

LUNA.... with her father!!!!! Ahhhhh I want to see this one, Ketzal.... please.
I even think there will be a relationship between Alice, Leana and Hailey (and luckily Tiff) since they were caressing their older sister's breasts. Remembering that there was already an affair between Nicole and Eve, and I think Cassey too... like I said this is a family of free sex, so come to the party Rebecca, Lisa, Luna (with or without father) Jennifer....

 

[AnKaFra]

SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11R]​

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[Naps-On-Dirt]

heh. but not only, bro... not only that.
why does no one pay attention to what was happening nearby, around these events of the royal court? what did they eat then, what air did they breathe?
no, of course it is easy and simple to blame everything on incest.
but I never tire of repeating that inbreeding does not cause deviations - it only amplifies them, like two radios working at low volume, suddenly find themselves on the same wavelength - they both start playing loud and clear without using the volume control - they mutually amplify each other. although the radios can be from different manufacturers.

I am sure that inbreeding is to blame, but not inbreeding itself, but a combination of factors - maybe excessive diligence in drinking wine or eating, for example, the same frogs that were caught from radioactive places - or other factors, together they played their fatal role.
why did I have such a heated speech? because those who talk about the guilt of incest and inbreeding - make only incest and inbreeding guilty.
and this is fundamentally wrong!!!

it's like saying that it's hot in a coat. of course it's hot if it's summer and hot outside - then it will be hot in a coat. but if it's snowing and winter outside, then it could be that even in a coat it's cold.

if inbreeding were as dangerous as it's portrayed - then even the first episode would have dire consequences. but fortunately, it's been correctly noted about long-term inbreeding. but again - if people were healthy... if people were healthy - inbreeding would have nothing to cling to.
we need to find out what happened to the royal family, what hereditary diseases they had - then we can talk about incest in that family in a negative way.
otherwise, it's just malicious manipulation with the aim of misleading.

Interesting hill to fight on I guess. But your whole argument is based on a faulty premise either by design (so this is manipulation) or ignorance. There is no human gene line that is perfect. (Ok in theory there could be at the same odds as putting monkeys with typewriters and waiting 'til they come up with Shakespeare.) Saying "incest is only bad for THAT family" is just... delusional at best. Every human is flawed in some way and keeping inbreeding a Bad Idea(tm) to society is in humanity's best interest. Putting the taboo on incest is a way to try to pre-emptively avoid it.

Not trying to rain on your parade, but if you are trying to scientifically justify your kinks you gotta be more accurate.

 

[Ghost1989]

Where is the android port??? I'm turning insane! Aaaa

 

[HuelB]

Well, way back when he did post a non-canon 4k of Alice getting spit-roasted by daddy and another guy (Luna P's dad irrc, I'd have go digging in that Ketzal 4k folder to be sure). The response was as you'd expect, people were going postal in the comments and some were in a panic while thinking that was where SSP was headed (was still early, like v.2-.3). I imagine if people weren't so NTR-sensitive and paid him no matter what he made we'd probably see a bit of everything you can imagine, probably other than hairy pussies everywhere, he did mention those grossed him out. And probably no scat or bestiality either (if hairy pussy bad then hairy dog worse? That's my logic anyway).

Yes it's just sad that this is the world we live in. When do these people felt ok to publicly say they feel cucked by a bunch of pixels on a screen ? 20 years ago they would have realised their stupidity and stop themselves from posting. To me it's the far right version of "I identify as a disabled pansexual pidgeon". Same stupidity, same weakness, same narcissicism ("Every product should be made just for me, I'm very important and original, like the millions of guys just like me"), but different corners of the political spectrum.

Anyways, between scat, hairy pussies and bestiality, I'd choose bestiality Not a thing I want to see all the time, but nothing against it occasionally. Golden shower stuff is also fine, but same as bestiality, it must be occasional for it to have an effect. I'm just a normal guy who wants to see ugly old guys have their way with pretty girls between 7 and 70yo (not into toddlers, not into necrophilia ).

Btw it makes me sad that the NTR-sensitive people are so needy they want MC to be a handsome guy. I could easily say "that's gay !" if I was as dumb as they are. But I won't, you shouldn't pay attention to what retarded people think of you. There's many guys on the other forum who spend their time saying this dev or this forumer is a cuck because of x and y thing they said or put in their game. And why the fuck should we care exactly ? We are discussing and/or creating (devs) porn where anything should be possible because no real persons are in it, it should be a space where we unleash our imagination without barriers, but NO, the Church of anti-cuck is there to censor us and tell us everyday that their stupidity is right and there's no difference between games and IRL. And unfortunately they're either a vocal minority or the real majority, so devs have to listen to them if they want to earn a lving from their games.

I have to turn to female protag games if I want to see the kind of scenes I enjoy, and I don't see why it has to be a law that gangbangs or even a simple MMF threesome cannot happen in male protag games. There's some female protag with great art, like "It's not a world for Alyssa", but still it's not as good as SSP's overall quality.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Where is the android port??? I'm turning insane! Aaaa

No more Android ports until V12/next season. Buy/borrow/steal a used PC and join the other 90%, even a 10yo used one is good enough for Renpy AVNs, my porno pc is like 12yo and wasn't high end even back then and is still plenty good enough for that.

 

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[GivLoli]

SSP is built to make you hate it. No one can appreciate MC's narcissistic personality or the fact that is turned 100% on getting anything through sex.
You can play my game two different ways. Just a silly story with silly characters for pure player satisfaction and wanking, or.... understand why this title and why the characters are what they are.

SSP isn't perfect, no. Far from it. I read the reviews and every time I think I've done a good job, since people hate what I want them to hate.

It's only a game, after all

I absolute appreciate MC's narcissistic personality. I much prefer it over other games where the MC is weak, pathetic and the girls have to flirt him up because he is too much of a pussy to go after girls himself. SPP is assertive and goes after what he wants. I love that. I cannot fathom that people would really rather have a meek loser MC who rejects girls because he feels bad about cheating on his wife, who rejects girls because they are not his age, who does not pursue girls he likes because hes not confident enough so he hopes they come to them. Its pathetic and makes for a shitty game.

So yeah i really like the MC, hes as a MC should be. If anything, during his inner monolog he often expresses regret or guilt, so I would prefer him to be even more of an ass who feels no shame at all about what hes doing. Games are a fantasy, they are supposed to make the player feel good and like a king, the girls and other characters are not real, their feelings dont matter, their well being doesnt matter.

The Eve/Tiffany scene was the best part of the game so far for me, guilt tripped her right into submission, humiliated her right in front of her daughter then sent her to wait outside and kept fucking Tiff lmao, what a fucking gigachad.

 

[ramvivat]

Interesting hill to fight on I guess. But your whole argument is based on a faulty premise either by design (so this is manipulation) or ignorance. There is no human gene line that is perfect. (Ok in theory there could be at the same odds as putting monkeys with typewriters and waiting 'til they come up with Shakespeare.) Saying "incest is only bad for THAT family" is just... delusional at best. Every human is flawed in some way and keeping inbreeding a Bad Idea(tm) to society is in humanity's best interest. Putting the taboo on incest is a way to try to pre-emptively avoid it.

Not trying to rain on your parade, but if you are trying to scientifically justify your kinks you gotta be more accurate.

you know, you're right about something.
but I don't know the science of genetics, but I still have grounds to say that incest can be practically safe for this family and harmful for that one.
you remember the series of numbers, the sequences in mathematics. the same Fibonacci series.its beginning 1,1,2,3 - looks like a chance of deviations.
and in what generation will the distortions of genes go beyond 5 percent?
everything in the world works according to the same model - just take a closer look and give yourself time to think.
the difference between a "bad" family and a "safe" one is in what step in the incest ladder they are on.
the higher, the worse.

although in reality only professionals on forums (and pages of books) on... animal husbandry can judge inbreeding. even medical workers are unlikely to receive such information.

I'll tell you a veterinary joke*
A veterinarian comes to see a therapist.
Therapist**: What are you complaining about?
Veterinarian: Ha, so I can treat you too, if that's how you start.

(*the point of the joke is that a veterinarian usually treats animals without asking questions - just examining and doing tests
**haha by therapist I mean a human general practitioner, because I know, according to VN, that in the West a therapist is called a psychiatrist, which at first really amused me, because I'm from Russia

Note: I'm writing the answer through Google Translate and what comes out in the translation amuses me, which is why I'm making comments)

 

[Naps-On-Dirt]

you know, you're right about something.
but I don't know the science of genetics, but I still have grounds to say that incest can be practically safe for this family and harmful for that one.
you remember the series of numbers, the sequences in mathematics. the same Fibonacci series.its beginning 1,1,2,3 - looks like a chance of deviations.
and in what generation will the distortions of genes go beyond 5 percent?
everything in the world works according to the same model - just take a closer look and give yourself time to think.
the difference between a "bad" family and a "safe" one is in what step in the incest ladder they are on.
the higher, the worse.

In context of this game, the first children of incest are not likely to show any impact. But starting with any child of theirs (Alice, Leana, Hailey, or Tiff) by the MC there is a statistically significant chance of a life altering (or outright life-preventing) genetic problem. (Not meaning to be either funny or culturally insensitive here but I can't think of a better analogy,) ...who in their right mind wants to play that kind of Russian Roulette with their future children? "Sure girls, lets get you all pregnant, since there's a decent chance of stillbirths and birth defects that will require abortions, we gotta play the numbers game!" Thats not hot, thats fucked up.

*** and that isn't even considering the full extent of fuckedupedness of the MC's family tree... I haven't payed THAT close attention to distant relatives initially but after reading this thread on and off since I found this game, I'm realizing that the MC's genome might have started as a minefield already.