discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[GivLoli]

there is so much incest i honestly lost track a bit of who is related to who in what ways lmao

 

[Lostandquiet73]

The official update will be officially uploaded on the weekend, right?

 

[chester1530]

This is more corrupt than the European royal bloodlines in 1914, for God's sake.
And that's why I love it

 

[Mookey]

In the flashback he also mentioned that he knows that MC is not his son. So it's currently unclear who the real father of MC (and Nicole?) is. It's speculated that it could be Dwayne (Casseys father).

You're mistaken.

Spoiler: SSP spoilers

It's stated by Macy's father during a timeline flashback (when they're arguing in the livingroom if I recall) that he's not the MC's dad and it hints that the dad might in fact be Cassie's father but that's how I interpreted it when combined with the bonus hospital scene after young MC was assaulted by him and Macy and Cassie's mother talk, but nothing confirmed and that was just my speculation. But Macy's dad is definitely not MC's dad, that much is truth.

Ah, I must have missed that. I'll have to go rewatch that scene to understand it better. In any case, I appreciate you putting it together. It is very helpful, although it looks like it duplicates people since it can't handle incest relationships.

 

[BadJM]

Is there a reason for the dev's SS to not be in the op anymore? @BeowulfKnight Sorry to tag you but you're the only mod I see online now.

 

[Mookey]

There was one interesting conceptual point that came across to me - how MC turned out to be his own father and got two copies of his mother. This is where I didn’t understand the autor's sleight of hand.
on the other hand, I can always blame it on my poor knowledge of English. how convenient, if you don’t catch something, say that you don’t understand what was written =)

have you played the time jump game Timestamps?
and there was also the “Artifact” project, but from a different author (in it MC was the father of his own mother and his own aunt).


although the time jumps that were in Timestamps - there they were very clear to me for some reason. and I even suspect that MC was the father of his mother (as in the VN "Artifact"), apparently having cuckolded his own grandfather with his grandmother (although the author does not admit this, although who knows, who knows what we will find out in the next update), MC's mother, Julianne, was born from this adultery. and then John, MC’s father, was essentially married to his blood relative, but on the female side.
Why do I think that MC is the genetic father of his mother? it’s just that the girl Julianna (that is, MC’s mother) turned out to be “not very broad-boned,” unlike her mother and father (i.e. MC's grandma and grandpa), which should give rise to some thoughts, right? but MC’s father, John, on the contrary, was slender, but “thin-boned,” and his son, MC, was also thin-boned. and if my hypothesis is correct, then it turns out that John, through his son (who was the true father of his mother, John’s wife), was married to his... granddaughter? (after all, if a son gives birth to a child, then this turns out to be a granddaughter, right?) because time jumps are available to them, don’t forget.

and if this explain is not very clean - i used google translator because my English sometimes "lamers must die"-leveled. sorry for this.

Ah I think I can actually clear some of this up with Maou-Sama:

Spoiler: Maou-Sama Major Spoilers

It's actually really interesting how it all plays out, but in short, it turns out that the original MC is not any sort of product of incest, but as timelines get altered, he becomes his own father, grandfather, and great grandfather. This works because of resolving a time paradox. Of course, there are all kinds of theories about how time travel could work, but in this game, the way I interpret it is around the premise that the MC must somehow still be born in order to exist if the timeline is altered in a way that prevents his father from being his father. Forget reality for a minute, but in this game, you must still have a father, even if he is a different man and that change doesn't alter your appearance or anything. As you progress in the story the sequence of events goes like this from what I determined:

1. Zeno (who is also the father of Max when he had relations with Nureha, the primordial dragon) is the MC's original, true father with Shurifon. This occurred 653 years ago, making the MC's age 653.
2. Memories get altered so the MC doesn't know about Shurifon and Heidi is said to be the MC's mother.
3. MC alters past events by preventing Zeno from having relations with Shurifon and thus removing his true father from the genealogy.
4. MC time jumps to the past and visits Shurifon when she is "just" 402 years old (~1600 years ago since Shurifon is ~2000 years old). He sleeps with Melanie and she gives birth to Barbara.
5. MC time jumps and sleeps with Barbara. She gives birth to twins: Heidi and Milena.
6. MC time jumps and sleeps with Heidi. The cycle is complete.

So despite the fact that Shurifon is his "true" mother, in the altered timeline Heidi is his mother, Barbara is his grandmother, and Melanie is his great grandmother, with himself being the father, grandfather, and great grandfather at different time jumps.

If interested, I could PM you the tree I created for Maou-Sama. It's an MS paint drawing but I made it look readable and used colors and stuff to keep things straight. I haven't checked in a while if more endings were released yet so it may not be totally complete.

I did play The Artifact and loved it. Great creator, a shame his later projects got cancelled.
I haven't really played Timestamps. I started it at some point but only barely.

I will say that SSP has been very interesting and it floored me the first time I saw the sex animations. Wow!

 

[Beduin123]

there is so much incest i honestly lost track a bit of who is related to who in what ways lmao

That's the charm of this game. But also there is the family tree in the OP.

 

[dickness all around]

It's simply not that kind of game.

If you want that, I think you'll need to look elsewhere.

you want the dev to lose money? shhh...

 

[ramvivat]

Ah I think I can actually clear some of this up with Maou-Sama:

Spoiler: Maou-Sama Major Spoilers

It's actually really interesting how it all plays out, but in short, it turns out that the original MC is not any sort of product of incest, but as timelines get altered, he becomes his own father, grandfather, and great grandfather. This works because of resolving a time paradox. Of course, there are all kinds of theories about how time travel could work, but in this game, the way I interpret it is around the premise that the MC must somehow still be born in order to exist if the timeline is altered in a way that prevents his father from being his father. Forget reality for a minute, but in this game, you must still have a father, even if he is a different man and that change doesn't alter your appearance or anything. As you progress in the story the sequence of events goes like this from what I determined:

1. Zeno (who is also the father of Max when he had relations with Nureha, the primordial dragon) is the MC's original, true father with Shurifon. This occurred 653 years ago, making the MC's age 653.
2. Memories get altered so the MC doesn't know about Shurifon and Heidi is said to be the MC's mother.
3. MC alters past events by preventing Zeno from having relations with Shurifon and thus removing his true father from the genealogy.
4. MC time jumps to the past and visits Shurifon when she is "just" 402 years old (~1600 years ago since Shurifon is ~2000 years old). He sleeps with Melanie and she gives birth to Barbara.
5. MC time jumps and sleeps with Barbara. She gives birth to twins: Heidi and Milena.
6. MC time jumps and sleeps with Heidi. The cycle is complete.

So despite the fact that Shurifon is his "true" mother, in the altered timeline Heidi is his mother, Barbara is his grandmother, and Melanie is his great grandmother, with himself being the father, grandfather, and great grandfather at different time jumps.

If interested, I could PM you the tree I created for Maou-Sama. It's an MS paint drawing but I made it look readable and used colors and stuff to keep things straight. I haven't checked in a while if more endings were released yet so it may not be totally complete.

I did play The Artifact and loved it. Great creator, a shame his later projects got cancelled.
I haven't really played Timestamps. I started it at some point but only barely.

I will say that SSP has been very interesting and it floored me the first time I saw the sex animations. Wow!

yeah. first animated sex scene with Alice in the hotel - after Cassie throws MC from the home - i thinked what it is a real video clip. i sayd myself - WOW...!!!

and about hynealogical tree of Maou-sama family - GIMME-GIMME!!! =)) please =)

 

[shazz32]

How different are the Family and Bonds of Blood paths? Which one do you recommend?

 

[chester1530]

How different are the Family and Bonds of Blood paths? Which one do you recommend?

One is harem style, the other is more "familiar", but I have played both and I like the harem better, although the other one is not bad either, my advice: play both styles, you won't regret it...

 

[User_65561]

Is there a reason for the dev's SS to not be in the op anymore?

Not only that, but this too:

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[BadJM]

Not only that, but this too:

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Well I asked Ketzal and he said that he will keep posting public releases. So I will just keep waiting for those and ignore any leaks. I don't know why anyone would trust leaks when you can just play a safe version provided by the dev but some people are just that dumb.

 

[MattShizzle]

It's always good when there's an ingame walkthrough rather than having to download and install separately - or worse, have to read what to do on a website or document, interrupting play.

 

[AlfaBit]

Is there a reason for the dev's SS to not be in the op anymore? @BeowulfKnight Sorry to tag you but you're the only mod I see online now.

Bet ketzel did that himself but if he didn't then definitely a dick move by the mods but I doubt that they did it.

 

[BadJM]

Bet ketzel did that himself but if he didn't then definitely a dick move by the mods but I doubt that they did it.

No the mods didn't remove it.

 

[MattShizzle]

No the mods didn't remove it.

OP says last edited by a moderator, but then that was actually the day it was done so for changing to the new update. Unless Subscribestar are being cunts too, now.

 

[pgm_01]

From what I could gather after wading through the shitstorm that was posted, Ketzel had set his account to self-destruct, and then decided to wait and asked for the deletion to be stopped. The missing links could be related to that.

 

[BadJM]

OP says last edited by a moderator, but then that was actually the day it was done so for changing to the new update. Unless Subscribestar are being cunts too, now.

I asked both a mod and Ketzal himself and It wasn't a mod that removed it. Ketzal said he doesn't want to advertise his SS here anymore. He decided to be less active on the forum and he thinks it would be unfair to still advertise his subscribestar here, he also said he would still release public versions.
The reason I asked them, was because a few months ago the link also got removed from the op and that time it was either a mistake or a bug and the mods added it again when they were alerted.

 

[User_65561]

He decided to be less active on the forum and he thinks it would be unfair to still advertise his subscribestar here

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All that will do is make it harder for potential new supporters to find his SS.