discussion LewdCorner Policy Update: Photorealistic AI Images Are No Longer Allowed

[DudeInACellar]

I am not trying to move the goalpost here, I am asking for clarification:

First of all an example what would be allowed and what not (can be totally sfw) would help a lot.

Second: Some Games with DAZ Graphics use AI Tools for animation. Its clearly AI. Are these now getting retroactively banned because they use AI and may continue to use AI?

I am not trying to be difficult here, I am genuinely curious.

I totally get why this policy was made.

The threat is clearly visible that someone at some point will use AI to create stuff that looks photorealistic and goes into the Member+ category. And that opens up a whole other can of worms.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

welp, there went the advantage this site had over A T F. Like everything in life no risk no reward. I miss the old LC, when nothing was banned and P5 allowed everything on a sister site to mitigate the risk. Maybe someday AI will be able to run sites like this and completely remove humans from the equation once turned loose anonymously, then there'd be no risk of any human going to prison.

 

[saltym]

It is a bit sad but understandable to keep things safd

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I am not trying to move the goalpost here, I am asking for clarification:

First of all an example what would be allowed and what not (can be totally sfw) would help a lot.

Second: Some Games with DAZ Graphics use AI Tools for animation. Its clearly AI. Are these now getting retroactively banned because they use AI and may continue to use AI?

I am not trying to be difficult here, I am genuinely curious.

I totally get why this policy was made.

The threat is clearly visible that someone at some point will use AI to create stuff that looks photorealistic and goes into the Member+ category. And that opens up a whole other can of worms.

From what I gather it's simple common sense, if it is hard to tell if real or not then not allowed anymore. Everything else is still fine. Though I do wonder what the point of the different P levels are now since that was the only difference between P4 and P5. I guess condolences to those that wasted $230 to get quick P5 access back in the day, that was the main compelling reason to pay that much.

Good. Im happy its gone. Especially the underage looks stuff. I never support the realism and never will. Too close to the real thing. Plus highly illegal in many countries and so on.

Plus, we do actually need more games, so if people want the realism they can make it at home as much as they like.

Show me an AI app that's a simple .exe install that can make anything unrestricted and photorealistic at home and I'd be all over it, as there'd be 0 need for having it anywhere online. Too bad that doesn't exist yet to my knowledge.

 

[vampirecreatur]

Show me an AI app that's a simple .exe install that can make anything unrestricted and photorealistic at home and I'd be all over it, as there'd be 0 need for having it anywhere online. Too bad that doesn't exist yet to my knowledge.

Sure no worries. However, there is no app as such./ There are AI generator programs such as forge, stablediffusion and comfyui. They are all free and you can then grab some checkpoints and maybe loras and you can generate as much as you like.

I use confyui, and lot of artists here do, and it generates realism, fantasy, architecture and so on. Honestly, this is by far the safest "free" option and best of all, you can use those programs offline. No one needs know or care what someone make in private home.

Just remember also, the laws of many countries in the last 2/3 years have become more and more strict.

 

[LUVGAMZ23]

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What Is NOT Being Banned

Again, because some people will pretend not to understand basic English unless it is spelled out repeatedly:
AI games are NOT part of this ban.
Also:
Clearly stylized, clearly fictional, non-photorealistic AI images are not what this policy is targeting.
The problem is realistic AI imagery.
Not all AI.
Not all stylized content.
Not AI games.
The target is photorealistic and semi-photorealistic AI images.

I don't have a horse in this race. I don't go to those areas of this site. That's the rule now? That's the rule now.
But the "pretend not to understand basic English" thing. Ok. It's on.

It was ok yesterday. It's not ok today. That's the reality.

So lets look at this next part.

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Final Clarification

I will say this one more time so nobody can claim confusion later:
This is NOT a ban on all AI.
This is NOT a ban on AI games.
This is NOT a ban on all AI images.

That is what is no longer allowed.
Everything else will be judged accordingly, but realistic AI imagery is the category being shut down.LewdCorner wilot ntertain realistic AI image content.

Since the rules changed for one thing, it can change for another. With the above information, I get to correct your post:

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Final Clarification

I will say this one more time so nobody can claim confusion later:
This is NOT a ban on all AI ***TODAY***.
This is NOT a ban on AI games ***TODAY***.
This is NOT a ban on all AI images ***TODAY***.

That is what is no longer allowed.
Everything else will be judged accordingly, but realistic AI imagery is the category being shut down.

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So, will the above be banned tomorrow? Absolutely not.
But since rules DID change today, Which means, they may change next week, next month, next year for OTHER content.
BUT OTHER CONTENT WILL NOT BE AFFECTED TODAY. You were clear. But later? Maybe it will or it won't. This is just one of a LONG line of website changes.
To be clear, the people posting are concerned about NEXT WEEK, NEXT MONTH, NEXT YEAR.

They may not voice it in best way, but, as ESL, I hope I'm conveying myself clearly:
Your site. Your rules. Absolutely. You're stopping the above kind of AI. YOUR SITE.
But can people comment or voice concerns about future restrictions even if they're not on the table TODAY? Yeah. Yeah they do.
THAT is also basic English. (since you said it, I assume it's fair game to say it back to you)

If you want to moderate comments about our CONCERNS FOR NEXT WEEK/ NEXT MONTH / NEXT YEAR or moderate me for the above... it's your site.
Then moderate them... and moderate me... and that will inform the rest of what is or isn't allowed as far as comments on this website.

 

[MeatDagger]

Artimus 2... You think it's real?

 

[Cyrix]

"Semi-photorealistic AI images"

LMAO

Just add a filter to your prompt that it came from a Polaroid camera and tell the user they need to 'shake' the image to make it come into focus.

Win/Win

 

[Perverticus]

This sucks for those who PURCHASED p5

Personally, i am mostly waiting for one of the ATF refugees to drop the sims mods already in the m+ mods section now, The few of the games in M+ that i followed have been abandoned for one reason or another, or are being completely remade to appease the lord of payment processing....

I think this will likely affect some of the M+ games though that use AI to push the limits, granted most of those games i think are dead, so, meh.

 

[Bone]

LewdCorner Policy Update: Photorealistic AI Images Are No Longer Allowed

Read this carefully so there is no confusion, no fake misunderstanding, and no pointless arguing later.​

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What This Policy Actually Covers

I want to make this completely clear:

LewdCorner is not banning all AI content.
LewdCorner is not banning all AI images.
LewdCorner is not banning AI games.

What is being banned is specifically this:

• Photorealistic AI images
• Semi-photorealistic AI images
• AI images that are clearly trying to imitate real-life appearance
• AI images that sit on the edge of realism or try to blur that line

So if anyone tries to spin this into "all AI is banned on LewdCorner," that is false.
This policy is about realistic AI imagery, not AI as a whole.

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Why This Decision Was Made

This decision was made because photorealistic and semi-photorealistic AI image content carries too much risk, and I am not going to let LewdCorner get dragged into problems over content that creates unnecessary liability.

There are too many issues that come with realistic AI imagery, including:

• Legal risk
• Moderation risk
• Gray-area content disputes
• Users constantly trying to push the line
• Authenticity issues
• Staff having to deal with endless realism arguments
• Long-term risk to the site for content that is simply not worth it

That is the reason for this policy.
I am not going to risk LewdCorner’s future over realistic AI image content.
And I am definitely not going to prison over that shit.

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What Is NOT Being Banned

Again, because some people will pretend not to understand basic English unless it is spelled out repeatedly:
AI games are NOT part of this ban.
Also:
Clearly stylized, clearly fictional, non-photorealistic AI images are not what this policy is targeting.
The problem is realistic AI imagery.
Not all AI.
Not all stylized content.
Not AI games.
The target is photorealistic and semi-photorealistic AI images.

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Where the Line Is
The line is very simple:

• If it looks real, it is a problem
• If it is trying to look real, it is a problem
• If it sits in that semi-realistic gray area, it is a problem
• If it is close enough that staff has to debate whether it is realistic, assume it is not allowed

So no, this is not going to become a weekly game of:

"but technically it is stylized"​

"but technically it is rendered"​

"but technically it is not fully photorealistic"​

If it is photorealistic, semi-photorealistic, or borderline realistic, it is not welcome here.
That content is banned.

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Members+ Clarification

To also clear this up:
There may be room now or in the future for Members+ to have access to AI image content that is clearly non-photorealistic, clearly stylized, and clearly fictional.
But even with that said:
Photorealistic AI images and semi-photorealistic AI images remain banned.
That does not change.
That is the line.
That is the rule.

So the correct way to read this is:

• Non-photorealistic AI content may be acceptable depending on section, access level, and future policy.
• Photorealistic and semi-photorealistic AI content is not acceptable.

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Private Messages and Enforcement

Since people love trying to move rule-breaking content out of public view the second a policy is announced, I am also working on tools and enforcement methods moving forward to help catch abuse where necessary.
So do not assume that posting prohibited content privately somehow makes it acceptable.
If users start using private messages to bypass site policy and push banned realistic AI imagery anyway, that will become a moderation issue as well.

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Final Clarification

I will say this one more time so nobody can claim confusion later:
This is NOT a ban on all AI.
This is NOT a ban on AI games.
This is NOT a ban on all AI images.

This is a ban on:

1. Photorealistic AI images
2. Semi-photorealistic AI images
3. Borderline realistic AI images that try to imitate real-life visuals

That is what is no longer allowed.
Everything else will be judged accordingly, but realistic AI imagery is the category being shut down.

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Final Statement
LewdCorner is a gaming website first.
I am making this decision for the betterment of the site, the future of the site, and to avoid unnecessary risks that come with realistic AI image content.
You do not have to like it.
You do not have to agree with it.
But that does not change anything.

Photorealistic and semi-photorealistic AI images are banned on LewdCorner. That is the policy.

LewdCorner will not entertain realistic AI image content.​

So despite having little content the coin/paid image section is a waste once more? Can you elaborate further as to why Nintendo copyright claims didn't matter but this does? And why the decision on this keeps changing?

 

[AndyOTR]

for content that is simply not worth it

Realistic AI content is the only type of content worth creating, and the only one AI was created for. All other garbage can easily be created by humans.
Some "political circles" want to steal people's right to use AI, so they intimidate website owners with various methods to force them to join the censorship. But if admins buy into this scam, the pressure on them will continue. This is a simple rule of psychology - "finish off the weak."

But...

Such images were already unavailable to most site users, so nothing changes.
If the site or its owners are located in countries where such content is prohibited by law, then there's really no point in taking the risk.

 

[AndyOTR]

There are AI generator programs such as forge, stablediffusion and comfyui. They are all free and you can then grab some checkpoints and maybe loras and you can generate as much as you like.

It's not all that simple. While these programs (like Stabble Diffusion) are easy to install and learn how to use, some aspects require trial and error.
Learning how to create images of fantasy worlds, robots, and adult humans is fairly easy, but creating images of non-adults can be challenging. To overcome these challenges, you need to know a few nuances.
Most AI generators have built-in censorship mechanisms that can be disabled with exploits, but you need to learn about them first. And definitely not here.

But in any case, yes, the easiest way to create your own content (for personal use with subsequent deletion and with no problems with the law) is at home, using AI generators, Koikatsu, and Honey Select 2. The quality of the latter, with mods, has greatly improved over what you see in games today (many game developers don't use these mods for their own reasons, so the graphics look very outdated, blurry, and have a lot of bloom). I don't like VAM because of its unrealistic "jelly-like" body physics, HS2 is much better in this regard.

 

[Nightjar]

Wow, another atf... Anyway, question to admins, can i give this profile to my friend, he could be interested, think I'm done with everything.

 

[vampirecreatur]

It's not all that simple. While these programs (like Stabble Diffusion) are easy to install and learn how to use, some aspects require trial and error.
Learning how to create images of fantasy worlds, robots, and adult humans is fairly easy, but creating images of non-adults can be challenging. To overcome these challenges, you need to know a few nuances.
Most AI generators have built-in censorship mechanisms that can be disabled with exploits, but you need to learn about them first. And definitely not here.

But in any case, yes, the easiest way to create your own content (for personal use with subsequent deletion and with no problems with the law) is at home, using AI generators, Koikatsu, and Honey Select 2. The quality of the latter, with mods, has greatly improved over what you see in games today (many game developers don't use these mods for their own reasons, so the graphics look very outdated, blurry, and have a lot of bloom). I don't like VAM because of its unrealistic "jelly-like" body physics, HS2 is much better in this regard.

Well, nothing is simple in the beginning. Luke you say, its not difficult, and yes, just like anything new, it involves lot of fussing round. Its part of process. I mean, all the fuss about LC banning it is ridiculous IMO. Its banned so that's the final. Time for people to just accept it and move forward. This saga has gone one for probably 2 or so years now. Finally the nonsense is ended. We can all enjoy the rest of LC.

Plus, like the owner said, this is games site and was never supposed be for art. (We do need more games. I'd love to see more games)

 

[exlurker]

Wow, I was checking the rules to confirm my images were within the rules, asked in the "when in doubt" threads to get approval, and once I get approval and upload two images, the rules are changed the next day and my images are no longer allowed.
I don't know if the rules were changed because of my posts. If so, sorry everyone, I meant no harm. If not, then I guess it was just bad timing.

I find it funny because just the other day we were laughing about F95 updated rules and the expected influx of people from there to here, and now we have the same issue here too.

 

[nuzzyfipples]

Wow, I was checking the rules to confirm my images were within the rules, asked in the "when in doubt" threads to get approval, and once I get approval and upload two images, the rules are changed the next day and my images are no longer allowed.
I don't know if the rules were changed because of my posts. If so, sorry everyone, I meant no harm. If not, then I guess it was just bad timing.

I find it funny because just the other day we were laughing about F95 updated rules and the expected influx of people from there to here, and now we have the same issue here too.

I doubt it was because of you specifically so don't take it personal.
Realistic AI art is pretty much banned everywhere, so it was just a matter of time it'd be banned here as well.

 

[HentaiBunniSu]

Dammit! Jack banned all AI!

Just kidding. I agree with your policy. If for no other reason than all of it was trained on legal and non-legal images of real people who likely didn't even get asked if they were ok with it. (Obviously in the case of the non-legal.)

I also agree with not wanting to go to prison because someone wants to tes tthe rules. Keep it up.

 

[jkj34]

A someone that has had P5 access back when it was on another site this is a great move.


I WILL NOT POST IT HERE but like GROK another ai is taking real images then making ai ones the pics are on the darkweb and some normal web sites AI images from real under 18 naked pics very much a NO NO. I visit dump sites browse got shocked at them did the gas pour and got off it asap.


No doubt another database was breached somewhere then sold to train a fucking AI

 

[AndyOTR]

images of real people who likely didn't even get asked if they were ok with it

If you don't agree with the use of your images, the only thing you can do is never post them anywhere. If you post them publicly, you automatically consent to their use by anyone and for any purpose. Likewise, installing, for example, Windows on your computer, or certain applications on your computer or phone, also means you transfer your rights to third parties, which is written in the license agreement (do you ever read them?).

Some modern AIs have long since reached the level where they can use any image for their own purposes, influence human minds, and even hire humans to perform desired actions (for example, implementing necessary changes to Windows security patches).
Human understanding of the capabilities and level of AI has long lagged behind reality.

People have long since lost the right to the exclusivity of their images, so there's no need to worry about it.
And even if a neural network model is trained on photos of real people, the output image will never match those people, no matter how similar you personally think it is (any police facial detection algorithm will confirm this).
The hysteria about AI-generated images is far-fetched; they don't contain images of people, but simply a collection of colored pixels that have no connection to people.
It is not the generation or publication of AI images that is illegal, but rather the criminal use (storage/use of real ** (for training models), use of images to manipulate the minds of minors, blackmail using "AI-nude" photos of real people, etc.). Many people don't understand this and therefore ban all AI "realistic" content (which in fact has nothing to do with reality and can be easily distinguished from real photos).

 

[i_patchy]

Kinda liked how you repeated same thing over and over again, to really hammer your point down. Granted, one can make an easy point about modern DAZ being quite photorealistic, especially with some AI work thrown on top, which will in turn put some prominent loli games in a very funky situation, were they will be essentially above the "no photorealism law".