discussion Help me/us understand the (new) shop and currencies?

[Jesterr]

Just looked over the new shop and its even more confusing than the previous one, while also being somehow better. Better UI, but the underlying info is completely obscure and I can't find any real info or FAQs or... any documentation.

1. 3 currencies-
a: If you dig enough, there's some explanation on how to GET those currencies, and if you skim the shop throughly, there's an idea on what you can GET with those currencies. Clearing that up in a FAQ would be nice. But.
b: WTF do I spend my currency on? Fine if "its coming, we having finished/implemented it yet" but where is that written? Where's the FAQ for that? Tell us its "coming soon" and that's cool. But even in the old store, I have zero understanding of what the various currencies will buy me, especially donation ones? Right now, from what I see, a platinum is only worth trading for a _pitiful_ activity rate, and nothing else. A DC (donation coin) can get you an interest increase but... if you're not active for any reason, and/or you just suck at timing your interest collects... an in crease on interest I'm going to miss anyway just... sorry, will get to that later. What the coins do for you is unclear, and any future or possible paths for those coins in unclear.

2. Incentives- I've donated. Even donated a significant sum to supposedly get me lifetime on something and... not gotten it or any credit. _NOT_ the issue, just pointing out I donate, and keep donating. But... what do I get for it? Platinum coins were worthless, AFAIK before, and are only now just... convertable to small amounts of activity coins.... why not just give me the ACs in the first place? Because something else I could spend them on is coming? WHAT? or at least tell us that's the case, cause right now... it just feels like ACs but with extra hassle of several clicks....
a: Why should I donate? Keep the site alive, sure. What benefit do we get other than that? Why do people who post, or interact, but pay nothing get stuff, and donators get... almost nothing? Seriously, I have coins, nothing I can spend them on. If I donate more, I get more coins. nothing I can spend them on.

3. "conversions"... With the new store, I can convert my PCs to ACs but... if I do that, will I miss out on PC things and offers? What's the cost to converting? If there's none, and PCs are only usable to get ACs... why not just give ACs? If there's more to use them for coming, then why not say that? Alternatively, if I convert my PCs, can I buy them back if you DO come out with PC only purchasables? Is there a refund/regret feature?

4. I understand that explaining in details what certain buys get you is... difficult, but at the same time... asking people to spend coins of any type blindly especially when hard money is involved, blindly, without any idea what it means or what you get, is a hard pill to swallow.
a: "Everything P5 gets but the forum" ... wtf does P5 get? Anything, nothing? Forum access not allowed is clear, sure, but... what else does that mean? I literally can't tell a difference, but I spent coins on it... what did I get? Or did I just spend coins on... nothing?!?!?

NONE of this is a comment for or against anything being worked on or done... rather... honestly, love the work that's been going on, why I donate, but we the donators, we the contributors, we the community need to know what the fuck any of this means... and BEFORE we have to start making decisions on it.

 

[NicoGalu]

Acabo de echar un vistazo a la nueva tienda y es incluso más confusa que la anterior, aunque de alguna manera es mejor. La interfaz de usuario es mejor, pero la información subyacente es completamente oscura y no encuentra información útil, preguntas frecuentes ni... ningún tipo de documentación.

1. 3 monedas-
a: Si investigas lo suficiente, encontrarás alguna explicación sobre cómo OBTENER esas monedas, y si revisas la tienda con detenimiento, tendrás una idea de lo que puedes OBTENER con esas monedas. Sería bueno aclarar eso en una sección de preguntas frecuentes. Pero.
b: ¿En qué demonios gasto mi moneda? Está bien si "está por llegar, ya lo hemos terminado/implementado", pero ¿dónde está escrito eso? ¿Dónde están las preguntas frecuentes al respecto? Dígannos que "estará por llegar pronto" y eso está bien. Pero incluso en la tienda antigua, no entiendo qué puedo comprar con las distintas monedas, especialmente las de donación. Ahora mismo, por lo que veo, un platino solo vale la pena intercambiar por una tasa de actividad _lamentable_, y nada más. Una DC (moneda de donación) puede darte un aumento de interés, pero... si no estás activo por alguna razón, y/o simplemente eres malo calculando el momento en que se cobran tus intereses... un aumento de interés que voy a perder de todos modos... lo siento, ya hablaré de eso más tarde. No está claro qué hacen las monedas por ti, y no está claro ningún camino futuro o posible para esas monedas.

2. Incentivos: Donó. Incluso doné una suma significativa para supuestamente obtener algo de por vida y... no lo he recibido ni ningún crédito. _NO_ es el problema, solo señalo que dono y sigo donando. Pero... ¿qué obtengo un cambio? Las monedas de platino no valían nada, que yo sepa, antes, y ahora solo se pueden convertir en pequeñas cantidades de monedas de actividad... ¿por qué no me dan las AC desde el principio? ¿Porque viene algo más en lo que podría gastarlas? ¿QUÉ? o al menos díganos que es así, porque ahora mismo... se siente como AC pero con la molestia adicional de varios clics...
a: ¿Por qué debería donar? Para mantener el sitio activo, claro. ¿Qué otro beneficio obtendremos? ¿Por qué las personas que publican o interactúan, pero no pagan nada, reciben cosas, y los donantes reciben... casi nada? En serio, tengo monedas, pero no tengo en qué gastarlas. Si dono más, obtengo más monedas, pero no tengo en qué gastarlas.

3. "Conversiones"... Con la nueva tienda, puedo convertir mis PCs en ACs, pero... si lo hago, ¿me perderé las ofertas y artículos para PCs? ¿Cuál es el costo de la conversión? Si no tiene costo y las PC solo sirven para obtener ACs... ¿por qué no simplemente dar ACs? Si habrá más usos para ellas, ¿por qué no decirlo? Alternativamente, si convierto mis PC, ¿puedo recuperarlas si lanzan artículos exclusivos para PC? ¿Existe alguna opción de reembolso o devolución?

Nada de esto es un comentario a favor o en contra de nada de lo que se esté trabajando o haciendo... más bien... honestamente, me encanta el trabajo que se ha estado haciendo, por eso dono, pero nosotros, los donantes, nosotros, los contribuyentes, nosotros, la comunidad, necesitamos saber qué carajo significa todo esto... y ANTES de que tengamos que empezar a tomar decisiones al

Acabo de echar un vistazo a la nueva tienda y es incluso más confusa que la anterior, aunque de alguna manera es mejor. La interfaz de usuario es mejor, pero la información subyacente es completamente oscura y no encuentro información útil, preguntas frecuentes ni... ningún tipo de documentación.

1. 3 monedas-
a: Si investigas lo suficiente, encontrarás alguna explicación sobre cómo OBTENER esas monedas, y si revisas la tienda con detenimiento, tendrás una idea de lo que puedes OBTENER con esas monedas. Sería bueno aclarar eso en una sección de preguntas frecuentes. Pero.
b: ¿En qué demonios gasto mi moneda? Está bien si "está por llegar, ya lo hemos terminado/implementado", pero ¿dónde está escrito eso? ¿Dónde están las preguntas frecuentes al respecto? Dígannos que "estará por llegar pronto" y eso está bien. Pero incluso en la tienda antigua, no entiendo qué puedo comprar con las distintas monedas, especialmente las de donación. Ahora mismo, por lo que veo, un platino solo vale la pena intercambiar por una tasa de actividad _lamentable_, y nada más. Una DC (moneda de donación) puede darte un aumento de interés, pero... si no estás activo por alguna razón, y/o simplemente eres malo calculando el momento en que se cobran tus intereses... un aumento de interés que voy a perder de todos modos... lo siento, ya hablaré de eso más tarde. No está claro qué hacen las monedas por ti, y no está claro ningún camino futuro o posible para esas monedas.

2. Incentivos: He donado. Incluso doné una suma significativa para supuestamente obtener algo de por vida y... no lo he recibido ni ningún crédito. _NO_ es el problema, solo señalo que dono y sigo donando. Pero... ¿qué obtengo a cambio? Las monedas de platino no valían nada, que yo sepa, antes, y ahora solo se pueden convertir en pequeñas cantidades de monedas de actividad... ¿por qué no me dan las AC desde el principio? ¿Porque viene algo más en lo que podría gastarlas? ¿QUÉ? o al menos díganos que es así, porque ahora mismo... se siente como AC pero con la molestia adicional de varios clics...
a: ¿Por qué debería donar? Para mantener el sitio activo, claro. ¿Qué otro beneficio obtenemos? ¿Por qué las personas que publican o interactúan, pero no pagan nada, reciben cosas, y los donantes reciben... casi nada? En serio, tengo monedas, pero no tengo en qué gastarlas. Si dono más, obtengo más monedas, pero no tengo en qué gastarlas.

3. "Conversiones"... Con la nueva tienda, puedo convertir mis PCs en ACs, pero... si lo hago, ¿me perderé las ofertas y artículos para PCs? ¿Cuál es el costo de la conversión? Si no tiene costo y las PCs solo sirven para obtener ACs... ¿por qué no simplemente dar ACs? Si habrá más usos para ellas, ¿por qué no decirlo? Alternativamente, si convierto mis PCs, ¿puedo recuperarlas si lanzan artículos exclusivos para PCs? ¿Existe una opción de reembolso o devolución?

Nada de esto es un comentario a favor o en contra de nada de lo que se esté trabajando o haciendo... más bien... honestamente, me encanta el trabajo que se ha estado haciendo, por eso dono, pero nosotros, los donantes, nosotros, los contribuyentes, nosotros, la comunidad, necesitamos saber qué carajo significa todo esto... y ANTES de que tengamos que empezar a tomar decisiones al respecto.

No lo sé, tengo el mismo problema. Hoy solo pude reunir una pequeña cantidad para guardarla en la bóveda, y no sé si la perdí.

 

[Matm95]

Just looked over the new shop and its even more confusing than the previous one, while also being somehow better. Better UI, but the underlying info is completely obscure and I can't find any real info or FAQs or... any documentation.

1. 3 currencies-
a: If you dig enough, there's some explanation on how to GET those currencies, and if you skim the shop throughly, there's an idea on what you can GET with those currencies. Clearing that up in a FAQ would be nice. But.
b: WTF do I spend my currency on? Fine if "its coming, we having finished/implemented it yet" but where is that written? Where's the FAQ for that? Tell us its "coming soon" and that's cool. But even in the old store, I have zero understanding of what the various currencies will buy me, especially donation ones? Right now, from what I see, a platinum is only worth trading for a _pitiful_ activity rate, and nothing else. A DC (donation coin) can get you an interest increase but... if you're not active for any reason, and/or you just suck at timing your interest collects... an in crease on interest I'm going to miss anyway just... sorry, will get to that later. What the coins do for you is unclear, and any future or possible paths for those coins in unclear.

2. Incentives- I've donated. Even donated a significant sum to supposedly get me lifetime on something and... not gotten it or any credit. _NOT_ the issue, just pointing out I donate, and keep donating. But... what do I get for it? Platinum coins were worthless, AFAIK before, and are only now just... convertable to small amounts of activity coins.... why not just give me the ACs in the first place? Because something else I could spend them on is coming? WHAT? or at least tell us that's the case, cause right now... it just feels like ACs but with extra hassle of several clicks....
a: Why should I donate? Keep the site alive, sure. What benefit do we get other than that? Why do people who post, or interact, but pay nothing get stuff, and donators get... almost nothing? Seriously, I have coins, nothing I can spend them on. If I donate more, I get more coins. nothing I can spend them on.

3. "conversions"... With the new store, I can convert my PCs to ACs but... if I do that, will I miss out on PC things and offers? What's the cost to converting? If there's none, and PCs are only usable to get ACs... why not just give ACs? If there's more to use them for coming, then why not say that? Alternatively, if I convert my PCs, can I buy them back if you DO come out with PC only purchasables? Is there a refund/regret feature?

4. I understand that explaining in details what certain buys get you is... difficult, but at the same time... asking people to spend coins of any type blindly especially when hard money is involved, blindly, without any idea what it means or what you get, is a hard pill to swallow.
a: "Everything P5 gets but the forum" ... wtf does P5 get? Anything, nothing? Forum access not allowed is clear, sure, but... what else does that mean? I literally can't tell a difference, but I spent coins on it... what did I get? Or did I just spend coins on... nothing?!?!?

NONE of this is a comment for or against anything being worked on or done... rather... honestly, love the work that's been going on, why I donate, but we the donators, we the contributors, we the community need to know what the fuck any of this means... and BEFORE we have to start making decisions on it.

1: The currency situation is currently getting fixed. There are 4 right now, and i think they are trimming it down to two.
b: Ranks. That's basically it. They give access to new forums.

2: You get Donation coins. They can be used for ranks. If you donate enough (at once?) you get platinum coins. They can be traded to LC.

3: PC don't do anything else ATM, but the system changes often. I'd probably keep them i think. They can also only be converted one way.

4: Access to more stuff. Don't quote me on this, but i think P5 gets access to new AI threads with lewds. Though i am very unsure of this.

 

[ccxvidonaferens]

What's the point? It'll only get wiped and rebuilt in about 2-3 months if past is prologue.

 

[Barmaley]

Is it now possible to deposit several types of coins at once at interest?

 

[Jesterr]

Is it now possible to deposit several types of coins at once at interest?

No? Nothing I've found even remotely says this is possible... but... its such a confusing mess... I may be 10000% wrong?

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1: The currency situation is currently getting fixed. There are 4 right now, and i think they are trimming it down to two.
b: Ranks. That's basically it. They give access to new forums.

2: You get Donation coins. They can be used for ranks. If you donate enough (at once?) you get platinum coins. They can be traded to LC.

3: PC don't do anything else ATM, but the system changes often. I'd probably keep them i think. They can also only be converted one way.

4: Access to more stuff. Don't quote me on this, but i think P5 gets access to new AI threads with lewds. Though i am very unsure of this.

1. "getting fixed" okay but... how? why? what for? future blah? Not "whats the future gonna look like" but even just "what NOW looks like"

2. nope,. they can't be used for ranks. at this point, the only thing they can be used for, that I can find in the actual shop? is to increase your percent earning.
2a. I haven't been able to click "collect my interest" in a while? No idea why, no explanation...
2b. ZERO fucking info. nothing. I have no idea what anyting is, much less goiung to be... mind you, they're taking money, realy money, and offering... who the fuck knows?

3. "changes often" I mean... sure? But real money is exchanging hands and not only is there no idea for what its worth or being spent on, but its even worse than that.... There are court battles over less weird and in-the-dark things than this, and they do NOT go well to the equivalent to our hosts.
3a. For the record, love the sight, don't want bad things happening or the site going away... thus the tone, warning, and concern.

4. *ahem* I think you are correct BUT what is and is not dicscussed is a thing. still and all.. i have no idea what my repeated donations do or benefits they gain me cause...well.. its all hush hush an dno talky... but of course, that's the easiest way to defraud people too.

 

[Jack Of Blades]

No? Nothing I've found even remotely says this is possible... but... its such a confusing mess... I may be 10000% wrong?

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1. "getting fixed" okay but... how? why? what for? future blah? Not "whats the future gonna look like" but even just "what NOW looks like"

2. nope,. they can't be used for ranks. at this point, the only thing they can be used for, that I can find in the actual shop? is to increase your percent earning.
2a. I haven't been able to click "collect my interest" in a while? No idea why, no explanation...
2b. ZERO fucking info. nothing. I have no idea what anyting is, much less goiung to be... mind you, they're taking money, realy money, and offering... who the fuck knows?

3. "changes often" I mean... sure? But real money is exchanging hands and not only is there no idea for what its worth or being spent on, but its even worse than that.... There are court battles over less weird and in-the-dark things than this, and they do NOT go well to the equivalent to our hosts.
3a. For the record, love the sight, don't want bad things happening or the site going away... thus the tone, warning, and concern.

4. *ahem* I think you are correct BUT what is and is not dicscussed is a thing. still and all.. i have no idea what my repeated donations do or benefits they gain me cause...well.. its all hush hush an dno talky... but of course, that's the easiest way to defraud people too.

1. it will be trimmed down, ill be converting in mass platinum coins to donation coins.
2. this is a bug and ill be fixing this asap.
3. pc can be converted to donation coins.
4. im coming up with ideas for 4 lol.

 

[Autolycus]

3. pc can be converted to donation coins.

What kind of exchange rate are you thinking?

 

[Jack Of Blades]

What kind of exchange rate are you thinking?

for platinum you get platinum per 50$ donation, 1 platinum = 50 donation coin.

 

[grim019]

This helped make some things more clear.

 

[RogueOwl]

I'm still figuring it out myself. I haven't been here in a bit. Anyone want to explain it to me in a sentence or two? No need to waste more time on it then needed.

 

[Matm95]

Now miners have been added? I guess thats the new passive income. I was really worried that it was real crypto mining when i saw it in the sidebar.

 

[Autolycus]

So it looks like what it comes down to is that Activity coins are worth half as much as they were before and you can only get lifetime Member+ instead of the cheaper options that were available before. I thought I was done with the vault grind, but after converting all my coins over, I now need double what I had to make minimum deposit for the vault again. That's a hell of a grind for new posters, but I suppose it will encourage people to just give up and donate for access.

 

[Jack Of Blades]

Now miners have been added? I guess thats the new passive income. I was really worried that it was real crypto mining when i saw it in the sidebar.

Not finished won’t payout.

 

[ErzuzB]

Now miners have been added? I guess thats the new passive income. I was really worried that it was real crypto mining when i saw it in the sidebar.

We hat that in the past once already, was canned because it was didn't worked out and a typical 'rich people get even richer' kind of thing.

 

[Matm95]

We hat that in the past once already, was canned because it was didn't worked out and a typical 'rich people get even richer' kind of thing.

Hmmm... So this isn't about making things less inflated. It's about resetting it, and allowing people to buy LC with real currency?