discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Burned [V.03] [Deaufosse]

[salsarosa]

I don't think it's gay thou. Eden is my favourite character, and I think it's a girl, but..what do I know...Maybe there should be more Eden scenes in future updates to make up my mind

 

[Deaufosse]

I believe that your orientation would be referred to as "hetero-plus" or "heteroflexible", and may fall under the broader rubric of "queer" though I'm no expert on the matter. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that! Personally, if I were getting down with a woman, no matter how attractive, and upon getting into her pants, found out she had a dick, I would immediately nope the fuck out of that situation. I like my women to have pussies. And please note I am using female pronouns to refer to this hypothetical individual. A dick is male genitalia even if it is attached to a woman. Even if it were possible to attach a dick to a biological female (XX chromosomes, menstruation, pregnancy-capable), or if futanari existed in real life and grew dicks naturally, it would still be a MALE sex organ, and I feel that engaging in sexual activity with another person's male genitalia, as a male, is gay sex. However, having gay sex does not make you gay (as bisexuals are not gay...they are bisexual). Anal or oral sex (as the penetrative partner) with a trans woman, on the other hand, would not be gay, although receiving anal or oral penetration from a trans female's penis would indeed be gay sex. And I think the mods are working from a similar viewpoint.

This may be a generational thing, too. I am over 50 myself and I think most of the mods are also members of Generation X (aged around 44-58). Millennials (29-43), Gen Z (14-28) and the up-and-coming Gen Alpha kids seem to have more...malleable...ideas on gender and sexuality, increasingly so the younger they are (even Gen Xers are generally broader-minded about that stuff than boomers). Things should hopefully shake out within the next ten or so years and result in some sort of general consensus (minus the bible-thumping right-wingers whose opinions issue from a book written 2000 years ago by Bronze Age goat fuckers herders and will never change).

I'm a millennial, so I was just at the cusp of homosexuality being accepted. In the early 2000's, everything that was stupid was 'gay.' Like Homework was gay and we played 'smear the queer' on the playground. A lot of gay jokes on TV back then are super cringy because the punchline was "AHAHAH He's gay!!"

Being with a trans girl, I expected that homophobic middle schooler in me to be like, "EW DUDE, THAT'S GAY." It didn't happen. I don't feel any more or less straight being with a trans girl. I don't think you need to justify it or carve out some special term for it. Trans women are women. I like women. Yeah, dicks are usually on guys, but when it's on a chick, it's just... a different kind of fun. It's like going from an Xbox to a PlayStation. It plays 95% of the same games as an Xbox, but those exclusives are pretty damn great.

 

[Deaufosse]

Spoiler

POOL'S CLOSED
DUE TO PUBES

made me actually LOL

No one questions signs on a door in that school, apparently. hah

 

[herot32]

Not a huge fan of trans or gay or whatever you call it scenes but it took 10 seconds to skip through it and to be honest it was a lot less distracting than some of the "comedy" or writing in a lot of other games so I don't see what the big deal is, personally.

As a straight man, after watching the scene I did listen to Elton John records and watched three musicals. I enrolled in modern jazz dance lessons and bought a pink silk shirt to wear to work. And even though my name is Mark I've started asking people to call me Marquise now....wait, did that scene MAKE ME GAY!? JESUS DUDE WTF.

In all seriousness though your writing is pretty solid for the adult game/visual novel crew. I especially like the random celebrity inserts.

Spoiler: Spoiler

the part at the end where Kristen Stewart shows up to collect her gold star was fucking hilarious. You must know a lot of people in the community because that joke would kill with some hardcore lesbians I know.

Anyway keep up the good work, woke or no woke, it's good content with good animations and a solid plot and too few games do that these days.
As a request please consider adding a really short busty girl with dark hair who's borderline chubby, think 90s Christina Ricci. Hell, just add like 1997 Christina Ricci as a character. You're already off the rails why not.

 

[Tristin]

I liked the story outside of the sci-fi

 

[Deaufosse]

Not a huge fan of trans or gay or whatever you call it scenes but it took 10 seconds to skip through it and to be honest it was a lot less distracting than some of the "comedy" or writing in a lot of other games so I don't see what the big deal is, personally.

As a straight man, after watching the scene I did listen to Elton John records and watched three musicals. I enrolled in modern jazz dance lessons and bought a pink silk shirt to wear to work. And even though my name is Mark I've started asking people to call me Marquise now....wait, did that scene MAKE ME GAY!? JESUS DUDE WTF.

In all seriousness though your writing is pretty solid for the adult game/visual novel crew. I especially like the random celebrity inserts.

Spoiler: Spoiler

the part at the end where Kristen Stewart shows up to collect her gold star was fucking hilarious. You must know a lot of people in the community because that joke would kill with some hardcore lesbians I know.

Anyway keep up the good work, woke or no woke, it's good content with good animations and a solid plot and too few games do that these days.
As a request please consider adding a really short busty girl with dark hair who's borderline chubby, think 90s Christina Ricci. Hell, just add like 1997 Christina Ricci as a character. You're already off the rails why not.

See? This guy gets it. Press CTRL until you only see one penis.

Hah. I'll keep that in mind if I need a new character.

 

[elfieeven]

Not a huge fan of trans or gay or whatever you call it scenes but it took 10 seconds to skip through it and to be honest it was a lot less distracting than some of the "comedy" or writing in a lot of other games so I don't see what the big deal is, personally.

As a straight man, after watching the scene I did listen to Elton John records and watched three musicals. I enrolled in modern jazz dance lessons and bought a pink silk shirt to wear to work. And even though my name is Mark I've started asking people to call me Marquise now....wait, did that scene MAKE ME GAY!? JESUS DUDE WTF.

In all seriousness though your writing is pretty solid for the adult game/visual novel crew. I especially like the random celebrity inserts.

Spoiler: Spoiler

the part at the end where Kristen Stewart shows up to collect her gold star was fucking hilarious. You must know a lot of people in the community because that joke would kill with some hardcore lesbians I know.

Anyway keep up the good work, woke or no woke, it's good content with good animations and a solid plot and too few games do that these days.
As a request please consider adding a really short busty girl with dark hair who's borderline chubby, think 90s Christina Ricci. Hell, just add like 1997 Christina Ricci as a character. You're already off the rails why not.

Your sense of humor about the whole thing and understanding that seeing a penis won't *gasp* "make you gay!" indicates your maturity level might be a tad higher then others may have

 

[elfieeven]

Random thought.. what % of people who were upset about this scene are going to be fine when MC is having anal sex with the trans character?

 

[Augustus]

Random thought.. what % of people who were upset about this scene are going to be fine when MC is having anal sex with the trans character?

I'd actually estimate that the odds are more than even that Eden's dick goes into Alex' butt before Alex' dick goes into Eden's butt. (Still not gay either way.)

 

[Skully_Tophat_Man420]

As a dick who has personally blown a woman's dick more than a few times, I can confidently tell you it was not gay. I'm a very straight man and quite comfortable with my heterosexuality. I'm not attracted to men in the least. If it looks like a chick, feels like a chick, smells like a chick, and moans like a chick, having a second dick in the mix doesn't change any of that. The MC carries that exact same mentality. What I can tell you is that calling it gay sex invalidates all they're working to achieve in their transition. It is like gay marriage. Conservatives were like, "Well, they can have civil unions. It's like marriage, but not really." And gay people were like, "No. We want to be married." Someone's personal definition of marriage being between a man and a woman doesn't make two gay men any less married. Your personal definition of straight sex doesn't make me any less straight for sucking a girl's dick and her any less of a woman. That's just how it works.

Bro, that's gay. Not trying to be a dick to you but this is straight up gay, no matter how much I try to think otherwise.

Gay isn't something to be ashamed of, either. I think people got roasted a little too hard and started feeling insecure about this.

And to be clear, I got several Transgender friends and gay friends all around. They don't really care for stuff like this. They even call ME gay and I'm not gay. Lmfao

I'd actually estimate that the odds are more than even that Eden's dick goes into Alex' butt before Alex' dick goes into Eden's butt. (Still not gay either way.)

... Still gay, bub. And again, nothing to be ashamed of, either.

I don't give a shit if you guys are bisexual, heterosexuals, or what. You guys be you. I just don't understand this logic after years of things being this simple. You either like dicks or you don't. Being a cross dresser doesn't matter. Honestly, just simple to be yourself and not lie or believe in delusional stuff. You like what you like.

 

[Malakai]

Your sense of humor about the whole thing and understanding that seeing a penis won't *gasp* "make you gay!" indicates your maturity level might be a tad higher then others may have

Nobody actually said that. The discussion was about the Tag that his game has.....the "gay" tag. Deaufosse thinks this game shouldnt have it. The mods think otherwise, including me.
Nobody said that seeing a penis makes you gay.
Indicates that your reading comprehension might be a tad lower then others

I still love the game. The characters, the story, the humor, and all the other total over the top bullshit that happens. I even dont mind the eden content.
Hell, he can make v04 all about eden, i dont care as long as he keeps the comedy going!
I mean, he added beasty content just so the game "deserves" the beastiality tag! Also, wouldnt mind more of it....

I'd actually estimate that the odds are more than even that Eden's dick goes into Alex' butt before Alex' dick goes into Eden's butt. (Still not gay either way.)

If you stick your dick in someone that has a dick of their own, and not think its gay, than, great! But thats only your own view on that matter, coz iam pretty sure most people think otherwise.


Anyway, was my last response to this gay/notgay crap. Everyone has their own opinion on this matter, but dont try to push you agenda on others, just coz you think different. thanks and good night!

 

[Deaufosse]

I'd actually estimate that the odds are more than even that Eden's dick goes into Alex' butt before Alex' dick goes into Eden's butt. (Still not gay either way.)

Oh now that’s happening for sure outta spite. Hahah

 

[Skully_Tophat_Man420]

Oh now that’s happening for sure outta spite. Hahah

I mean... it's your game. But if you make it too extreme, some people won't like it and won't give you the recognition I think you deserve.

But yeah, keep up the good work. Looking forward to seeing more from you, no matter what happens here.

 

[Hexborn_Magus]

THERE IS NO MAN-ON-MAN CONTENT IN THIS GAME.

And here I thought this game was offering everything, my disappointment is immeasurable.

 

[herot32]

If you stick your dick in someone that has a dick of their own, and not think its gay, than, great! But thats only your own view on that matter, coz iam pretty sure most people think otherwise.

disclaimer: I've only ever been with CIS women who have vaginas, and have never had sex with a transwoman (or transman for that matter). I view myself as heterosexual.

My thoughts on this are that there's a reason we have the Futa and Trans tags, right?

Would you require a "Gay" tag for a transman who has sex with a woman? They both have vaginas, right? Would that require a lesbian tag?

If I *were* a Gay dude and looking for game with Gay content, and downloaded this game to play it, I'd be pretty disappointed because there's no "man on man" content. There are a lot of gay dudes out there, and a lot of gay games and gay VNs.

The way I feel like it should work is to use the appropriate tags for the appropriate scene. Maybe create a TWW (Trans-Woman on Woman) and a TMW (Trans-Man on Woman), TMM, TWM, etc tags for clarity's sake.

Primarily because I don't feel like "Gay" describes what actually happened. Maybe bisexual comes closer but in my head, at least, a Gay scene is two very clearly male characters interacting. Eden in this game looks extremely feminine, save for the dick.

Jesus christ I can't believe I just typed that.

I don't really have a dog in this fight and I think the game's good regardless. I skipped through the scene because watching two dicks interact isn't really my cup of tea without at least one vagina nearby, but I never felt like it was a gay scene, just like how I skip through pissing scenes for similar reasons. Not my cup of piss.

Anyway the game is funny and well-written and the models and animations look good.

 

[AlfaBit]

Btw it's even disrespectful for users like me who are completely fine with femboys and traps, cute trans girls but completely despise "man on man" sexual acts, you guys calling us gay for liking Eden? Yeah, fuck that. There's a reason there's a trans tag for such situations, remove that tag if you are going to mix both. Why use trans tag at all just use gay tag for trans games.

 

[AlfaBit]

In the game UFO from 17MOONKEYS on the other site, mc literally gets fucked by at least one trans (I don't know exactly how many times or by how many trans girls because I have only read about it in the thread but I never played that game) but do that game have a gay tag? No. Are people crying in that thread for it to have a gay tag? No. So what's the deal here?

 

[AlfaBit]

User have the right to know what they are getting into and not being surprised but content they do not like.

We DO support Devs but we have no desire to lie to our users, eithe

From what I am seeing more than enough users are dissatisfied with your decision, why not make a poll (or let @Deaufosse do it) asking your users if trans tag is enough for the Eden situation or it should also have a gay tag and decide with that, There'd be no more bitching on this topic after that simple as that.

Sorry if I sound harsh/rude, I am not, at least not intentionally, I am just very straight in what I want to say.

 

[absoluteTreebrush]

What in the actual fuck was that update? I laughed so hard, so often. I think Deaufosse might have actually managed to insult everyone.

But honestly, the scenes and audio work were top-notch. Flipping between soundtracks, crashing into iconic songs.... the whole production is amazing.

I started from chapter 3 this time, and checked that it has been about a year since I last played. So getting a recap was quite useful, until it started to get a bit weird, and then the crazy train only ever kept picking up steam! I feel like I should go back and replay again. I dont think chapters 1 and 2 were quite this batshit insane.

But between the coked up time travel fever dreams and that whole star thing at the end... you managed to tell a coherent, perverted story. Its amazing. And only recommended for people who can put up with the absolute highest about of AVN bullshit. Its not for everyone, but for those that can ride this bull.... man was that a fucking ride.

Well done!

 

[Deaufosse]

From what I am seeing more than enough users are dissatisfied with your decision, why not make a poll (or let @Deaufosse do it) asking your users if trans tag is enough for the Eden situation or it should also have a gay tag and decide with that, There'd be no more bitching on this topic after that simple as that.

Sorry if I sound harsh/rude, I am not, at least not intentionally, I am just very straight in what I want to say.

I'm all for a poll on the matter... I just don't know how to do it. Is that a separate post sort of thing?

Uh, here... react with a thumbs up if Eden's content only requires the Futa/Trans tag

React with a Thumbs down if Eden's content should be covered by both the gay and Futa/Trans tags.