discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Burned [V.03] [Deaufosse]

[Moss]

There is no gay stuff, Alex is the only guy who ever appears in a sex scene. There is a sex scene with Alex and Eden, a trans girl. You can avoid watching it.

 

[Moss]

The character in question is Eden, a teenage trans girl. She dresses like a woman, acts like a woman, and uses female pronouns; she just has a penis. The term trap is considered rather derogatory nowadays and comes from 4chan when trans girls were posting nudes for validation, and trolls were repurposing those photos as a prank. Eden isn't a trap. I'm very clear from the second that she appears that she is a trans woman.



Originally the term was "Transsexual," and the end goal was to have that sex change, but over the years, people have begun to use "Transgendered," and the end goal no longer is that sex change. Turning a penis into a vagina isn't something that's done lightly, and a lot can go wrong in the procedure. A lot of trans women are okay with keeping their original equipment.



As a dick who has personally blown a woman's dick more than a few times, I can confidently tell you it was not gay. I'm a very straight man and quite comfortable with my heterosexuality. I'm not attracted to men in the least. If it looks like a chick, feels like a chick, smells like a chick, and moans like a chick, having a second dick in the mix doesn't change any of that. The MC carries that exact same mentality. What I can tell you is that calling it gay sex invalidates all they're working to achieve in their transition. It is like gay marriage. Conservatives were like, "Well, they can have civil unions. It's like marriage, but not really." And gay people were like, "No. We want to be married." Someone's personal definition of marriage being between a man and a woman doesn't make two gay men any less married. Your personal definition of straight sex doesn't make me any less straight for sucking a girl's dick and her any less of a woman. That's just how it works.


This IS porn. And most porn sites have the trans content in the straight section, not the gay section.

The reality is that we all have differing views and opinions, and freedom is the ability to express those opinions. Fascism is when you force your opinion over reality. If you really want to stay neutral on the subject, then you should differ to the author and his viewpoints because applying your personal opinions to my work is not neutral at all.

I’m confused. I thought you said we all have differing views and opinions …

 

[DoobieDoobieDoooo]

The character in question is Eden, a teenage trans girl. She dresses like a woman, acts like a woman, and uses female pronouns; she just has a penis. The term trap is considered rather derogatory nowadays and comes from 4chan when trans girls were posting nudes for validation, and trolls were repurposing those photos as a prank. Eden isn't a trap. I'm very clear from the second that she appears that she is a trans woman.



Originally the term was "Transsexual," and the end goal was to have that sex change, but over the years, people have begun to use "Transgendered," and the end goal no longer is that sex change. Turning a penis into a vagina isn't something that's done lightly, and a lot can go wrong in the procedure. A lot of trans women are okay with keeping their original equipment.



As a dick who has personally blown a woman's dick more than a few times, I can confidently tell you it was not gay. I'm a very straight man and quite comfortable with my heterosexuality. I'm not attracted to men in the least. If it looks like a chick, feels like a chick, smells like a chick, and moans like a chick, having a second dick in the mix doesn't change any of that. The MC carries that exact same mentality. What I can tell you is that calling it gay sex invalidates all they're working to achieve in their transition. It is like gay marriage. Conservatives were like, "Well, they can have civil unions. It's like marriage, but not really." And gay people were like, "No. We want to be married." Someone's personal definition of marriage being between a man and a woman doesn't make two gay men any less married. Your personal definition of straight sex doesn't make me any less straight for sucking a girl's dick and her any less of a woman. That's just how it works.


This IS porn. And most porn sites have the trans content in the straight section, not the gay section.

The reality is that we all have differing views and opinions, and freedom is the ability to express those opinions. Fascism is when you force your opinion over reality. If you really want to stay neutral on the subject, then you should differ to the author and his viewpoints because applying your personal opinions to my work is not neutral at all.

It's not clown world in here.

 

[ontach]

Whether or not sucking a dick qualifies for the gay tag, I'm with @SeveredRealms on this. As long as there is consistency regarding the tags on this website, I don't care that someone else might have a different interpretation. I don't want to tailor my interpretation of what a tag means depending on the developer, uploader, or anyone else. If I see the gay tag on a game on LC, I need to know what that means.

Btw. any way to turn off/ skip bestiality scenes? Do I need to start a new game or something?

 

[FriendComputer]

Your opinion is noted. We have collectively made the decision That the tags stay as they are. If you feel your good sucking a dick have at it. I have been down this road before and go back to what a trans friend told me. A man sucking her dick is gay so I am sticking with her opinion. We are sorry our judgement goes against woke views. Sadly sometimes reality is a hard pill to swallow. The choice we made is final and will remain tagged as such.

Real big "I have a black friend who says I can say the n word" energy here.

 

[DoobieDoobieDoooo]

Real big "I have a black friend who says I can say the n word" energy here.

Did you just make up an energy? That's not even a thing.

 

[MyMilkShakes4761]

It's nothing political. One with a dick giving another with a dick a blowjob IS gay, trans or not. The staff agreed on it as a whole, one is even a trans lover, I think. But the fact remain, the scene shows men on men content from my understanding. Some even described it as a trap.

So a man having sex with a 6 foot tall dude with muscles, a beer gut, who's covered in body hair and has a beard and mustache is straight just because he has a pussy? Cause I'm just saying, that's pretty fucking gay

 

[Mr. Tearson]

So a man having sex with a 6 foot tall dude with muscles, a beer gut, who's covered in body hair and has a beard and mustache is straight just because he has a pussy? Cause I'm just saying, that's pretty fucking gay

It doesn't matter what my opinion is as far as this goes. We only go by appearance here. We do NOT go by viewpoint of another user, Dev or no. And we do not succumb to demands unless we think it's reasonable.

I'm also not a very political guy because I'm not interested in these things but to be who I am.

But again(TO EVERYONE)... Politic and Religion is against the rules here as most can't seems to agree to disagree with each others. We remain neutral to all parties involved is such things. Your belief, the things you find right or wrong, we do not go by that. We go by what's told to us as seen. IF something new pops up that has never been seen here and has become problematic, we might go by opinions then, ruling out the good and the bad. But as Moderators, our opinions do not matter as far as this goes. Opinions are best with a voting poll, anyway.

 

[Wankdorf]

Not such a simple matter. I know someone who likes trans people who look like women but have a penis. But he would never do anything with a normal man.


And I also know a young trans person who used to be a man and is now a woman. And she's really pretty to look at. Only her voice gives her away. That has a different effect on someone, even if you're heterosexual.


You also have to bear in mind that every person has a different degree of ‘inner homosexuality’. Personally, I couldn't sleep with a trans person if they had a cock. As pretty as she would be. But there are certainly some men who would do it, but would never do it with a real man (see my example from a friend).

In a nutshell: Would I necessarily label someone who has sex with such a transperson as gay? I would tend to say yes, but I can also understand if other people don't see it that way.

Would I leave the ‘gay tag’ in Burned? If in doubt, yes. Not because it's ‘100% gay’, but to make it clear to a large circle of people who see it as gay that there are definitely (unavoidable) scenes in the game where you're forced to suck a cock.

 

[User_83869]

Claims it's not political, calls dev woke.

 

[AlfaBit]

Game doesn't need a gay tag, futa/trans tag suffices, until there's actual male X male sexual content.

 

[Deaufosse]

But as Moderators, our opinions do not matter as far as this goes.

It seems to me that the opinions of the mods are the only ones that matter. Why even pretend otherwise at this point? After all, Sev just called me woke and told me my views do not align with reality, then he shut down the conversation.

You keep saying this is nothing political, but you're ascribing policy based on personal views. That’s political.

I’m not some college student shrieking that everyone needs to list their pronouns in their bio. I have not demanded anything. This whole time, I’ve been respectful and simply asked to define my game based on my own views. Sev is the one acting like he just struck a decisive blow in the War on Wokeness.

 

[Deaufosse]

I have updated the OP to address this whole... thing and the shrieking common concerns over the content. I'm just going to leave it at that.

NOTE ABOUT TAGS AND CONTENT:
This game is a comedy, first and foremost. As much as I wish that was all I needed to say, a lot of people don't have a sense of humor, so here we go:
"Is Futa/Trans avoidable?" No, and it's a joke that it's not.
"Is the Beastiality Avoidable?" No, but the scenes are short and, again, are a joke.
"Is NTR avoidable?" No, and everyone has their own definition of NTR. Nobody is getting cucked, and if you think they are, it's a joke.
"Is the Rape avoidable?" Yes. Ironically, it's actually the only time in the game where no actually means no.
"I liked it better when it was just a slice of life VN, and there wasn't any Time travel and T-Rexes." I know, but they're jokes.
And finally...
"What about that gay tag?" According to the "apolitical" Mods, the Dev is woke, and his views do not align with reality. What are those views? That Trans women are women and sexual content with a transwoman isn't gay and should be adequately covered by the Trans/Futa tag. Unfortunately, I don't control the tags to my own game. You can rest easy knowing the Mods have won the War on Wokeness and they decisively stopped all the radical grooming I intend to do to my player base. Target has taken down their tuck-friendly bathing suits; Bud Light has committed seppuku, and Caitlyn Jenner now goes by Bruce. FFS.
THERE IS NO MAN-ON-MAN CONTENT IN THIS GAME.

 

[Malakai]

sigh...

two dicks rubbing together. but its not gay! because the dick belongs to a trans character that identifies as a female!

seems about right.

 

[Dogorti]

sigh...

two dicks rubbing together. but its not gay! because the dick belongs to a trans character that identifies as a female!

seems about right.

Yup, that's it.

 

[help]

Wow - chapter 3 was amazing. @Deaufosse your writing is bar none, absolutely love your work. In most games I play, whenever there's "humor" it feels so forced and utterly unfunny. In your game - I was actually laughing out loud. The end scene with the star and Kristen Stewart was top tier. Great work and can't wait for whatever comes next from you.

 

[Deaufosse]

Wow - chapter 3 was amazing. @Deaufosse your writing is bar none, absolutely love your work. In most games I play, whenever there's "humor" it feels so forced and utterly unfunny. In your game - I was actually laughing out loud. The end scene with the star and Kristen Stewart was top tier. Great work and can't wait for whatever comes next from you.

Yeah! That's what I like to hear! Thanks for playing!

 

[Nastastic]

As a dick who has personally blown a woman's dick more than a few times, I can confidently tell you it was not gay. I'm a very straight man and quite comfortable with my heterosexuality. I'm not attracted to men in the least. If it looks like a chick, feels like a chick, smells like a chick, and moans like a chick, having a second dick in the mix doesn't change any of that.

I believe that your orientation would be referred to as "hetero-plus" or "heteroflexible", and may fall under the broader rubric of "queer" though I'm no expert on the matter. And there is certainly nothing wrong with that! Personally, if I were getting down with a woman, no matter how attractive, and upon getting into her pants, found out she had a dick, I would immediately nope the fuck out of that situation. I like my women to have pussies. And please note I am using female pronouns to refer to this hypothetical individual. A dick is male genitalia even if it is attached to a woman. Even if it were possible to attach a dick to a biological female (XX chromosomes, menstruation, pregnancy-capable), or if futanari existed in real life and grew dicks naturally, it would still be a MALE sex organ, and I feel that engaging in sexual activity with another person's male genitalia, as a male, is gay sex. However, having gay sex does not make you gay (as bisexuals are not gay...they are bisexual). Anal or oral sex (as the penetrative partner) with a trans woman, on the other hand, would not be gay, although receiving anal or oral penetration from a trans female's penis would indeed be gay sex. And I think the mods are working from a similar viewpoint.

This may be a generational thing, too. I am over 50 myself and I think most of the mods are also members of Generation X (aged around 44-58). Millennials (29-43), Gen Z (14-28) and the up-and-coming Gen Alpha kids seem to have more...malleable...ideas on gender and sexuality, increasingly so the younger they are (even Gen Xers are generally broader-minded about that stuff than boomers). Things should hopefully shake out within the next ten or so years and result in some sort of general consensus (minus the bible-thumping right-wingers whose opinions issue from a book written 2000 years ago by Bronze Age goat fuckers herders and will never change).

 

[DoobieDoobieDoooo]

We can use queer again?

 

[Cunning]

Yeah! That's what I like to hear! Thanks for playing!

Spoiler

POOL'S CLOSED
DUE TO PUBES

made me actually LOL