It is basically impossible to get accurate statistics, since any consensual relationship is unlikely to ever become a matter of public record. Studies would indicate sibling incest is the most common form of consensual incest, and consensual acts are far more common than people think, but there is no way to know how common. When it comes to the usual statistics that is used, that being sexual abuse by a family member, then it is father-daughter that is the most common by far, followed by brother-sister.
I respectfully disagree. There cases where no grooming could happen, for instance when the people in question only meet later in their life. Adults can also make their own decisions, no matter who they are to each other. And if you assume grooming is what happened when incest is involved, then you should assume that is what happens in any sexual encounter between people who have been in frequent contact. A childhood friend hooking up with their friend? Grooming. Two people from the same school getting together? Grooming. An intern getting together with an older coworker? Grooming. An employee hooking up with their boss? Grooming. Now, it is possible for grooming to be the issue in any of these, but you would not assume so out of hand.The problem with separating consensual and non-consensual incest is that there's no clear line. An elder brother can groom his sister just as easily as a father with his daughter, and it doesn't make sense to talk about consent in that context
that was very deep thank you and I appreciate the thoughtI respectfully disagree. There cases where no grooming could happen, for instance when the people in question only meet later in their life. Adults can also make their own decisions, no matter who they are to each other. And if you assume grooming is what happened when incest is involved, then you should assume that is what happens in any sexual encounter between people who have been in frequent contact. A childhood friend hooking up with their friend? Grooming. Two people from the same school getting together? Grooming. An intern getting together with an older coworker? Grooming. An employee hooking up with their boss? Grooming. Now, it is possible for grooming to be the issue in any of these, but you would not assume so out of hand.
I in no way condone any sexual contact between adults and minors, that situation has such a clear-cut imbalance that it would be impossible to argue otherwise. That is sexual abuse, whether it is incestuous or not.
But when it comes to cases where the people are adults, or similar-aged siblings, there is room for nuance. It does not make sense to assume a lack of consent in incestuous unions, just because they are incestuous.
I have seen arguments that even in cases of twin siblings, the assumed power imbalance still makes it wrong. Yet, which participant is the one in power? And if a power imbalance is an issue in relationships, no matter how small, show me one relationship where there is a perfect balance and I will name you a liar. An extrovert will likely have a stronger position over an introvert, for example. Or the one earning more money. Or the one who is physically stronger. Or the one that is more clever.
I don't think that incestuous relationships are universally morally wrong, necessarily, just that it's harder to separate informed consent from grooming in such casesI respectfully disagree. There cases where no grooming could happen, for instance when the people in question only meet later in their life. Adults can also make their own decisions, no matter who they are to each other. And if you assume grooming is what happened when incest is involved, then you should assume that is what happens in any sexual encounter between people who have been in frequent contact. A childhood friend hooking up with their friend? Grooming. Two people from the same school getting together? Grooming. An intern getting together with an older coworker? Grooming. An employee hooking up with their boss? Grooming. Now, it is possible for grooming to be the issue in any of these, but you would not assume so out of hand.
I in no way condone any sexual contact between adults and minors, that situation has such a clear-cut imbalance that it would be impossible to argue otherwise. That is sexual abuse, whether it is incestuous or not.
But when it comes to cases where the people are adults, or similar-aged siblings, there is room for nuance. It does not make sense to assume a lack of consent in incestuous unions, just because they are incestuous.
I have seen arguments that even in cases of twin siblings, the assumed power imbalance still makes it wrong. Yet, which participant is the one in power? And if a power imbalance is an issue in relationships, no matter how small, show me one relationship where there is a perfect balance and I will name you a liar. An extrovert will likely have a stronger position over an introvert, for example. Or the one earning more money. Or the one who is physically stronger. Or the one that is more clever.
Apologies, it seems I somewhat misinterpreted you. And the last bit in my post was me just venting some annoyance for bad arguments I've seen in the past.I don't think that incestuous relationships are universally morally wrong, necessarily, just that it's harder to separate informed consent from grooming in such cases
As Heisenberg said: “You're goddamn right!”True story, except at the time as a kid it was just "a game". Years later when it randomly hits you what you were doing
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Isn't it how we all got here? Or was it just a fantasy?I am wondering if anyone here plays incest games because of past experiences with cousins or relatives.
I wish I were this lucky...I am wondering if anyone here plays incest games because of past experiences with cousins or relatives..
Most likely this is a fantasy for most. So to speak, these games are the only opportunity to get the forbidden fruitIsn't it how we all got here? Or was it just a fantasy?
The laws are written by humans, humans decide what is right and wrong. it can and will be easily rewritten again in the future, ngl
Welp we live in the now and not the future so laws still apply.The laws are written by humans, humans decide what is right and wrong. it can and will be easily rewritten again in the future, ngl
Stupid laws, stupid Blackrock, stupid Rockefeller's England, stupid Einstein's island, stupid VaticanWelp we live in the now and not the future so laws still apply.
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