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[Sarya]

Very observant of you to not at all look at the outcome of prostitution from the prostitute's side. When we ignore that then it becomes much easier to see prostitution as any other work.
I feel like when I say prostitute, I mean a person whose profession is primarily to provide intimacy in exchange for money (and that is assuming they are doing it as a job, and not because they are forced to), while you - and many others - seem to point to a mythical idealized swiz-army-councillor that offer sex, psychiatry, therapy and more without any adversity from a clientele that mostly see them as commodities. The majority of prostitutes are not treasured healers that fill an important societal niche, but instead a product of income inequality with a clientele that see them as objects for escapism. There is a reason long-time prostitution statistically go hand-in-hand with mental unhealth, substance abuse and physical injury and/or disability.

Say... how would a prostitute unionize? Who would they pressure for better working conditions? How would they negotiate salaries? How would they arrange reasonable accommodation to be able to prostitute themselves on equal grounds as other prostitutes?
What would a good pathway for a career into prostitution look like to maximize their career satisfaction and outcome? How would they organize anti-discrimination policies that protect them from loss of income if clients suddenly don't want their services because of physical features beyond their control? How would they secure financial safety in times of reduced income? How should insurance be handled?

I totally not idealize prostitution or sex work in general. Many trans people are in it, i know it's hard, in big part because of capitalism. I just choose to side with the workers in this case the prostitute, not with the puritans, i talked and read directly from prostitute, not to people who try to silence them by speaking in their place.

I think there is need to fight against forced prostitution (something cops don't do, they just harass, bully and rape street prostitutes) and to reduce inequalities so that nobody is forced to prostitute because of misery. State should also provide help for those who want to stop being prostitutes. But you can't force people who do this job because they want to to stop: doing what you want with your body is a basic liberty and also a basic principle of feminism.

There is countries where prostitution is legal. There is many advantages to this solution: it cuts a source of income for crime, there can be control to improve health and work conditions for prostitute, it gives prostitutes same rights as other workers (limited working hours, unemployment, health and retirement assurance, maternity leave, paid holidays...), better training, possibility of reinsertion into other job, it makes tax money for the state... I think ideal way to manage it would be a state monopoly on prostitution in a larger public service of sexuality, including sexologists, sociologists, psychologists, social workers... (yes that's probably utopian).

So you know, there is prostitute unions (just not recognized as union by most states where prostitution is illegal). Prostitute are organized and fight for decades for their rights, against prohibition, against police, against violent clients, to have same rights as other workers, there is very high solidarity between prostitute, they don't care if you're cis or trans, if you're local or stranger, they support themselves. Their fight is just put into silent by anti sex puritans and there so called "feminists" allies.

Sex with strangers for money isn't a need. That's just masturbation and power. Happier people would seek out a relationship, or have sex within an existing relationship.

That said, I don't mean nuclear 'approved by christians(tm)' relationship. I just mean any relationship at all where two or more people are committed and intimate with each other in a way that is closer than friendship.
A mismatch in sexual needs inside of a relationship can be solved in many ways. We shouldn't live in a society where prostitutes are needed because of that.
I don't like that we approach this from the perspective of "people need fuck, so we need people who give them fuck". Systems of thought like that will lead to finding ways to create a supply of workforce. My very clear example if the American Military. To make sure they have a steady supply of grunts, they recruit among college-aged students who are either already in debt from studies, or want to study without debt. So, obviously, the military is very much against lowering tuition costs fro college, and against student loan forgiveness. Currently, sex work works mostly on a similar paradigm. The sex work industry needs new young fresh bodies to sell to sleazes, and if these fresh young bodies don't desperately need the money, they aren't going to want to do the sex work (usually), so it is useful that these people are poor and in debt, because they can more easily be coerced into selling themselves.

You're the one who is overly idealistic here: for some of us, it's really hard to find relationship or even sex (people who are shy, ugly, autistic, disabled, trans...). Relationship market is unfortunately really non-egalitarian. I never went to prostitute but i understand some people do this choice.

I agree that in a society with better sex education and more sexual liberty, there would probably be a lower need for such services.

As pro sex feminists state, if used right, sex can be a tool to take some of the power back from the patriarchy.

In some countries prostitution is legal and regulated, and hopefully that affords the prostitutes a better working condition. It's my opinion that other countries don't legalize it more because of the salacious nature of it, and not to protect women. (Protecting women gets a lot more lip service than action in so many developed countries.) It's not called the world's oldest profession for nothing. There's a demand for commercial sex, and where there's a demand there will be sellers.

I really agree with you here: politicians are all talk on this subjects (when they aren't even using women rights as an excuse for in fact attacks on their liberties).

We are also unfortunately in a capitalist society. Banning prostitution is something societies tried to do for centuries, it never worked, because there is a demand. Question is if we want a regulated and controlled market or a illegal one which is worse for both prostitute and their clients. Here in France, they pass a law that punish the client. It doesn't work as so called anti sex "feminists" intend: prostitute were force to hide, which reduce the number of clients they have, which make them force to accept some clients and practice they would otherwise refuse, which make it also easier for cops and violent clients to beat them, stole their money and commit sexual abuse, as a whole it widely degrade the working condition of prostitutes.

For the "fuck andrew tate" in that a lot of that sounds pretty much like Tates misogyn bullshit if I am honest... I do like the "respect yourself" message you give, I really dislike the "don't respect women" message that is underlying it...

Andrew Tate is currently in house arrest in Romania waiting for a trial, alongside his brother for multiple rape and humans trafficking charge: so much for the so called alpha man (in fact just the typical woman hater incel)!

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[kanonkungen]

I totally not idealize prostitution or sex work in general. Many trans people are in it, i know it's hard, in big part because of capitalism. I just choose to side with the workers in this case the prostitute, not with the puritans, i talked and read directly from prostitute, not to people who try to silence them by speaking in their place.

I think there is need to fight against forced prostitution (something cops don't do, they just harass, bully and rape street prostitutes) and to reduce inequalities so that nobody is forced to prostitute because of misery. State should also provide help for those who want to stop being prostitutes. But you can't force people who do this job because they want to to stop: doing what you want with your body is a basic liberty and also a basic principle of feminism.

There is countries where prostitution is legal. There is many advantages to this solution: it cuts a source of income for crime, there can be control to improve health and work conditions for prostitute, it gives prostitutes same rights as other workers (limited working hours, unemployment, health and retirement assurance, maternity leave, paid holidays...), better training, possibility of reinsertion into other job, it makes tax money for the state... I think ideal way to manage it would be a state monopoly on prostitution in a larger public service of sexuality, including sexologists, sociologists, psychologists, social workers... (yes that's probably utopian).

So you know, there is prostitute unions (just not recognized as union by most states where prostitution is illegal). Prostitute are organize and fight for decades for their rights, against prohibition, against police, against violent clients, to have same rights as other workers, there is very high solidarity between prostitute, they don't care if you're cis or trans, if you're local or stranger, they support themselves. Their fight is just put into silent by anti sex puritans and there so called "feminists" allies.



You're the one who is overly idealistic here: for some of us, it's really hard to find relationship or even sex (people who are shy, autistic, disabled, trans...). Relationship market is unfortunately really non-egalitarian. I never went to prostitute but i understand some people do this choice.

I agree that in a society with better sex education and more sexual liberty, there would probably be a lower need for such services.

As pro sex feminists state, if used right, sex can be a tool to take some of the power back from the patriarchy.



I really agree with you here: politicians are all talk on this subjects (then they aren't even using women rights as an excuse for in fact regressions in those).

We are also unfortunately in a capitalist society. Banning prostitution is something societies try to do for centuries, it never works, because there is a demand. Question is if we want a regulated and controlled market or a illegal one which is worse for both prostitute and their clients. Here in France, they pass a law that punish the client. It doesn't work as so called anti sex "feminists" intend: prostitute were force to hide, which reduce the number of clients they have, which make them force to accept some clients and practice they would otherwise refuse, which make it also easier for cops and violent clients to beat them, stole their money and commit sexual abuse, as a whole it widely degrade the working condition of prostitutes.



Andrew Tate is currently in house arrest waiting for a trial, alongside his brother for multiple rape and humans trafficking charge: so much for the so called alpha man (in fact just the typical woman hater incel)!

As a catgirl i demand free access to the catgirl thread!

I never understood why Anderew Tate somehow became a sumbol of masculinity, the man reeks of insecurity.

 

[DubbleU]

Fun fact: the woman in that scene from Flashdance aka Jennifer Beals is still gorgeous in 2024, she's 60 now. I met her at the 2022 IFC Independent Spirit Awards, and she looked incredible for her age then.

 

[HandholdDegen]

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As pro sex feminists state, if used right, sex can be a tool to take some of the power back from the patriarchy.

The best thing the patriarchy ever did for themselves was convince women that selling their bodies to patriarchs in exchange for money was empowering.
Guess how has the money? The patriarchs. Guess who needs the money because of a system that patriarchy created? Prostitutes.
You're describing swimming against a waterfall. I'm saying we need to start people near the top so that they can make a more informed decision about what they want for themselves.

You're the one who is overly idealistic here: for some of us, it's really hard to find relationship or even sex (people who are shy, autistic, disabled, trans...). Relationship market is unfortunately really non-egalitarian. I never went to prostitute but i understand some people do this choice.

You're just agreeing with me: society is kind of fucked, and has created an environment that drives people into prostitution, and to seek out sex workers. How does this counter me at all? I am saying we need to fix a whole system, you're saying that we need to... make it easier to maintain status quo?

it gives prostitutes same rights as other workers (limited working hours, unemployment, health and retirement assurance, maternity leave, paid holidays...), better training, possibility of reinsertion into other job, it makes tax money for the state..

Citation needed.

I think ideal way to manage it would be a state monopoly on prostitution in a larger public service of sexuality, including sexologists, sociologists, psychologists, social workers... (yes that's probably utopian).

That's dystopian! So, if the government needs to suddenly raise the money for their government budget, it can start squeezing its sex workers to increase 'productivity' for more money?
In war-time, should the government be able to order sex workers to stay in place and work like other government-controlled infrastructure to maintain the flow of cash?
This also completely removes any incentive for government to engage in Systemic Analysis. Why would they try to solve the problem facing a society reliant on prostitution if it makes them a lot of money? To me, you just described one of the worst possible thing.

I never understood why Anderew Tate somehow became a sumbol of masculinity, the man reeks of insecurity.

Because we live in the clown-universe timeline where nothing makes sense. And because of fascism stoking male insecurity to justify its own existence.

 

[whydoineedto]

Good morning everyone!

my what a gloriously big wall you bring today.

The two new ones are awesome!
But, you should have put your W on Rafiki!

I uhh have only watched what people have posted, never sat down to watch the an episode...

Well, off to bed for me. I want to get a good night's sleep.

Goodnight fellow lewdians.

And on that note. I'll start trying to get to sleep, but I'll probably stay on my phone an hour or two... I never learn.

everyone!

 

[Sarya]

Men want sex. Women take control of when they give sex and when they don't. It gives them a power. Doing what you want with your body is like the first rule ever in feminism, but anti sex feminists are ignoring and negating it constantly. It's those who make an alliance with patriarchy to return before the so called and very partial sexual revolution and take back male control on woman (and gender minorities) sexuality.

How are you fixing the whole system? You can't force people to go out with other people they don't like. It would be far worse than prostitution.

For the advantages of legal prostitution, i'm just basing my comment on what exist in countries were it's legal and demands of prostitute unions themselves.

You don't understand how a public service work: whole principle of a public service is it's non profit.

 

[WLMS]

Well, to break from the talking about that failure of an human being Tate is, here's a picture of my dog

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His name's Napalm.

 

[DubbleU]

Well, to break from the talking about that failure of an human being Tate is, here's a picture of my dog

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His name's Napalm.

How can he be a good boy, if he has such a badass name?

 

[WLMS]

How can he be a good boy, if he has such a badass name?

I know, right?

But his temper is the exact opposite of what the word represents, he's a very lovely and gentle doggo ^^

 

[whinegummi]

Well, to break from the talking about that failure of an human being Tate is, here's a picture of my dog

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His name's Napalm.

But do you love the smell of Napalm in the morning...?

 

[lissynony]

Hi everyone...

 

[Slumdum]

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What's up?

Well, off to bed for me. I want to get a good night's sleep.

Goodnight fellow lewdians.

Night Squeeky! Sleep well!

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Well, to break from the talking about that failure of an human being Tate is, here's a picture of my dog



His name's Napalm.

Cute doggo!
Can i pet that dawg?!

 

[dickness all around]

Have a feeling your enjoying the Oktoberfest that is going on. Girls and Booze.

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(no nudity so this should be good.)

I need to visit more places around the world, the US is a shit hole after a while. and no I'm not gonna travel for the view, I'm there to fuck different women. so basically ye I'm going for the view

flying all over the world to find poor sexy women and rescue them with the money I made in the richer country. feminists are gonna argue I'm an asshole, meanwhile I'm the only one willing to give the poor ladies money I'm a good person... probably.

so wait can we still post nudity here? do I need to make sure it's not a known person who can sue? what about deepfake sites that are still up? can I share my dick pics with you guys or not? I can remove the face if that's what it takes

 

[HandholdDegen]

so wait can we still post nudity here?

well... spoiler it at least.

do I need to make sure it's not a known person who can sue?

yes

can I share my dick pics with you guys or not?

please don't

 

[whinegummi]

can I share my dick pics with you guys or not? I can remove the face if that's what it takes

Time to fire up ol' Betty I see.

 

[thenumber34567]

I am feeling sick this cold is kicking my ass. Pray for Mojo.
I will try and sleep it off. Good luck gooners don't rub it till its raw.

 

[dirty36]

I am feeling sick this cold is kicking my ass. Pray for Mojo.
I will try and sleep it off. Good luck gooners don't rub it till its raw.

Hope you feel better,
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[User_89876]

Fun fact: the woman in that scene from Flashdance aka Jennifer Beals is still gorgeous in 2024, she's 60 now. I met her at the 2022 IFC Independent Spirit Awards, and she looked incredible for her age then.

Thanks for answering my unspoken question

 

[WLMS]

But do you love the smell of Napalm in the morning...?

I assure you that you absolutely don't want to smell his farts.

Cute doggo!
Can i pet that dawg?!

You sure can, he loves that.

 

[whinegummi]

Raccoons are cute as hell, but IRL, don't interact with wild raccoons.

This week, the Los Angeles County health department reported

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that causes severe, frequently fatal, infections of the eyes, organs, and central nervous system. Those who survive are often left with severe neurological outcomes, including blindness, paralysis, loss of coordination, seizures, cognitive impairments, and brain atrophy.

The parasitic roundworm behind the infection, called Baylisascaris procyonis, spreads via eggs in raccoons feces. Adult worms live in the intestines of the masked trash scavengers, and each female worm can produce nearly 200,000 eggs per day. Once in the environment, those eggs can remain infectious for years. They can survive drying out as well as most chemical treatments and disinfectants, including bleach.

Humans get infected if they inadvertently eat soil or other material that has become contaminated with egg-laden feces. Though infections are rare—there were

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—younger children and people with developmental disabilities are most at risk.

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