discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py EGBE [Prologue v0.3.3b] [Ketzal]

[angband]

Even if he has the urge to create content for SSP or EGBE I doubt that he will risk it. Especially since he is now on patreon, even if he doesn't post that type of content there, if they find out that he is creating stuff with lolis they will ban him. They ban people for what they do off platform as well.

Don't make Big Brother angry or you will be punished.

 

[superpuma]

Well... it turned out like this... it wasn't for lack of warning. If I had continued to make it available for FREE here, for example, would there have been the same kind of problem? I believe it was the growing number of 'followers' that caught my attention.

 

[Degen Man]

Inbetween all the rebranding and revamping, I'm sad to see that this game is for sure getting abandoned. The premise of this one was perfect with not all the LIs being blood related, so IMO this had the potential to be much greater than SSP. But alas.

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I still wish the dev the absolute best in his future endeavours, as he is GOATed when it comes to game development and storytelling. Will look forward to his new game.

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[BadJM]

Inbetween all the rebranding and revamping, I'm sad to see that this game is for sure getting abandoned. The premise of this one was perfect with not all the LIs being blood related, so IMO this had the potential to be much greater than SSP. But alas.

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I still wish the dev the absolute best in his future endeavours, as he is GOATed when it comes to game development and storytelling. Will look forward to his new game.

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I mean if the dev is able to get his page back, there is nothing stopping him from working on this in the future. He would need to rework some of the characters, because he doesn't want to create games with lolis again but this game didn't have a lot of content yet so it would be easier to rework than SSP. Let's see what happens. He has to get his page back to normal first.

 

[Degen Man]

I mean if the dev is able to get his page back, there is nothing stopping him from working on this in the future. He would need to rework some of the characters, because he doesn't want to create games with lolis again but this game didn't have a lot of content yet so it would be easier to rework than SSP. Let's see what happens. He has to get his page back to normal first.

The main reason I'm sure he's not coming back to this is because he's already using aged up versions of some of the models from this game into his new one.

To add to that, this one wasn't nearly as fleshed out as SSP so he probably doesn't feel the need to ever pick it up again or give it some meaningful conclusion like he feels with SSP.

With all these reasons I'd say it's safe to assume this one's definitely dead.

 

[Deleted member 193658]

Guys... Sometimes I need to get some sleep. So, yes, I'll start SSP again, but the others... We'll see. Give me some time to exist a little. Two weeks ago, I was already thinking about giving it all up and moving on to something else. So please be patient.
I spent four years creating something. EGBE is the result of careful consideration about what to do after SSP. SSP will reborn, and so will its successor, but not for now.

 

[LoveAVN4ever]

Guys... Sometimes I need to get some sleep. So, yes, I'll start SSP again, but the others... We'll see. Give me some time to exist a little. Two weeks ago, I was already thinking about giving it all up and moving on to something else. So please be patient.
I spent four years creating something. EGBE is the result of careful consideration about what to do after SSP. SSP will reborn, and so will its successor, but not for now.

I think the smarter play would be to just focus on SSP and your other one for now. Just to see how it would go. IMO I think leaving EGBE alone might be best cuz I think the magic is lost a bit if you're forced to age up the characters like in SSP

 

[Chola22]

Guys... Sometimes I need to get some sleep. So, yes, I'll start SSP again, but the others... We'll see. Give me some time to exist a little. Two weeks ago, I was already thinking about giving it all up and moving on to something else. So please be patient.
I spent four years creating something. EGBE is the result of careful consideration about what to do after SSP. SSP will reborn, and so will its successor, but not for now.

Well, I don’t know if you’re the real K or not, but I’ll say it anyway.

It’s like Nicole said in the game, a mark was placed on her that she can’t remove. When you put your heart into the game, doing what you truly want without judgment, this is the result as well. Abandoning your own masterpiece, the one you shed tears creating, is denying yourself. It’s denying a part of you that deep down you’ll always love, even if you try to hide it out of fear and judgment.

 

[Diablo8x]

Is Ketzals new game already on Patreon? if yes does anyone have a link as I could not find anything even DM

 

[xfam12]

He is already working on a new game to put on patreon, so at the very least, he would rather work on a "boring" vanilla game, than going back to having a normal job.
I think he just wants to make games. When he released SSP it was at the height of loli games. It was when games like proud father were popping off and he just rode that wave. The reality now is that you can't really make a living creating this type of games anymore. There are still a few devs that are able to do it full time but sooner or later SS and other platforms will start banning them.
Even if he has the urge to create content for SSP or EGBE I doubt that he will risk it. Especially since he is now on patreon, even if he doesn't post that type of content there, if they find out that he is creating stuff with lolis they will ban him. They ban people for what they do off platform as well.

other games wont get banned, because all you have to do is seperate your game and income with the "blacklisted" content, by making an unoffical patch distributed by someone but you on a completely different platform, and have no connection there from ss or even patreon

braindead workaround that is foolproof

 

[BadJM]

Is Ketzals new game already on Patreon? if yes does anyone have a link as I could not find anything even DM

He hasn't released any new game yet but yes there is a patreon page already, but since he wants to distance himself from the name Ketzal to avoid getting in trouble on patreon, I will not be sharing his patreon page or his new name here. His art style is pretty easy to recognize so once he releases a demo for that game you will be able to tell.

 

[Twilightprince]

What hurts me the most is I was finally at a point where i could afford to support Dev's Subscribestar. Now I can't....

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I don't think SS is accepting new accounts with questionable content, i remember reading about some dev that was complaining about his account never getting approved even after months


He started sharing the links on SS again a few weeks ago, i got the download link for egbe 0.3 from there because i got the email before i noticed it was on discord too.
But yeah all these things together must be a lot, i completely understand that he feels overwhelmed having to fight every website every day and not knowing if something is going to go wrong again tomorrow

And I told him on Discord when he mentioned doing that that it was a very bad idea to put loli links on a front AVN's page. I kinda knew this is what would happen (SS shadowbanning him again, Discord banning him along with Mee6, etc) when he didn't take my advice. I basically told him 1500 subs or however many he had were better than 0 subs. No idea what he was thinking, people that want loli AVNs bad enough come here anyway so could have just kept those permanently separated and let the front AVN income subsidize the lolis. I know he's said he's never making lolis again (his loss, because otherwise he has to compete with thousands of other devs and try to stand out in that vanilla ocean, he'll be lucky to make even 1/4 of what he was before) but the best way forward now is simply make a front project under a different ID/dev name and let that continue to fund development of SSP/EGBE, only this time keep those off of payment platforms altogether unless/until he decides to make his own site with crypto links and self-host that. Those here that want to support SSP/EGBE development could just sub to his front project (no need to even mention anywhere that the 2 devs are the same person, his art style kinda makes it obvious, but officially there'd be no solid proof). Then delight in watching the white knights rage when there's no obvious income stream to go after as SSP/EGBE would apparently be getting released for free.

 

[npYEcxrEAq3]

Then delight in watching the white knights rage when there's no obvious income stream to go after as SSP/EGBE would apparently be getting released for free.

Nope, this can't work. There needs to be some kind of link from the real project to the front project. If it's clear enough for the prospective supporters to trust that they're backing the real developer and not some impostor, it's clear enough for the antis to report to the funding platform.

 

[lolilewder]

And I told him on Discord when he mentioned doing that that it was a very bad idea to put loli links on a front AVN's page. I kinda knew this is what would happen (SS shadowbanning him again, Discord banning him along with Mee6, etc) when he didn't take my advice. I basically told him 1500 subs or however many he had were better than 0 subs. No idea what he was thinking, people that want loli AVNs bad enough come here anyway so could have just kept those permanently separated and let the front AVN income subsidize the lolis. I know he's said he's never making lolis again (his loss, because otherwise he has to compete with thousands of other devs and try to stand out in that vanilla ocean, he'll be lucky to make even 1/4 of what he was before) but the best way forward now is simply make a front project under a different ID/dev name and let that continue to fund development of SSP/EGBE, only this time keep those off of payment platforms altogether unless/until he decides to make his own site with crypto links and self-host that. Those here that want to support SSP/EGBE development could just sub to his front project (no need to even mention anywhere that the 2 devs are the same person, his art style kinda makes it obvious, but officially there'd be no solid proof). Then delight in watching the white knights rage when there's no obvious income stream to go after as SSP/EGBE would apparently be getting released for free.

I'm skeptical of both front projects and crypto only websites but i'd love to be proven wrong.
Speaking of bad ideas, i think he posted the same previews to his SS and new patreon today, i'm not 100% sure because i'm not subscribed on patreon so i only see the blurred version but i'm pretty sure they are the same renders

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Nope, this can't work. There needs to be some kind of link from the real project to the front project. If it's clear enough for the prospective supporters to trust that they're backing the real developer and not some impostor, it's clear enough for the antis to report to the funding platform.

Like I said, Ketzal/whatever his new name is has his own style (the EGBE/SSP/SMTL characters look very similar, esp the females). Daz is pretty damned complex, even quality aside it'd be very hard to copy his art style 1:1 with so many settings to play with, it'd be like trying to forge a signature or copy the Mona Lisa and pass it off as Da Vinci's. Not saying it's impossible, but so few devs have the skill and time to pull that off and fool everyone it's very unlikely. But linking a pen name to a (former?) loli artist anywhere indexed by Google is another bad idea, that would just give platforms another reason to ban his front project too just because a bunch of Karens and Kevins are crying to Patreon or whoever about his other even former off-platform work (yes, Patreon has banned devs for what they said or did on other sites not even remotely connected to Patreon themselves, and people wonder why I quit giving money to anyone on there 8 years ago).

 

[LoveAVN4ever]

I'm skeptical of both front projects and crypto only websites but i'd love to be proven wrong.
Speaking of bad ideas, i think he posted the same previews to his SS and new patreon today, i'm not 100% sure because i'm not subscribed on patreon so i only see the blurred version but i'm pretty sure they are the same renders

No as a supporter of his patreon, i can tell you that he has not been doing that. New games only

 

[lolilewder]

No as a supporter of his patreon, i can tell you that he has not been doing that. New games only

I didn't say that he posted renders of his old games on patreon, just that he posted the same previews of new games/girls on both, it's fine for now since the ss page is shadowbanned and not a lot of people can see it but it doesn't seem like a great idea if you want to keep it a secret in the future.
Out of curiosity i checked using the ones i can see on SS and blurring them on photoshop with a gaussian blur they are the same pictures

 

[LoveAVN4ever]

I didn't say that he posted renders of his old games on patreon, just that he posted the same previews of new games/girls on both, it's fine for now since the ss page is shadowbanned and not a lot of people can see it but it doesn't seem like a great idea if you want to keep it a secret in the future.
Out of curiosity i checked using the ones i can see on SS and blurring them on photoshop with a gaussian blur they are the same pictur

There might be SIMILARITIES but they are not the exact same as work he might have done in the past under his old alias

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Is someone able to give a "warning" when the new game that "you know who" is creating will go out?

Just keep a watch on the latest updates page here and on F95, particularly the previews of all the new 0.1's or demos (it's not that hard, there's maybe a new one every couple days on average and maybe 30 or so updates a day in total, most of which are crap and very obviously not him). His art style is kinda obvious. If he's starting on a brand new AVN it will probably take at least a month to put together even a short 5 min demo and it hasn't even been 3 weeks yet.