discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ SUCH A SHARP PAIN [V0.11.7R] [KETZAL]

[Nicest_Incest]

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So far most AVN models in Blender look weird to me compared to Daz, (exaggerated eyes, among other oddities that make them look like Disney 3D cartoon characters, but prob just various dev tastes). I'm sure Ketzal will do the animations justice once he figures things out (never used Blender so dunno how hard that is). As far as AI it will prob be the thing to end us all in 30 years and that will be the planet's new dominant species in 50 (and a solution to the Fermi paradox, all civilizations advanced enough to make AI end up going extinct from it, with the AI itself getting taken out when their star throws an electromagnetic tantrum). I just enjoy the ride while it lasts. For now it makes a good "pet" and I don't care either way if artists use it or not in itself, but about the final product. If it still looks like a 2D cartoon but AI was used to simply be lazy (hardly any drawing done by the "artist" themselves, just a list of prompts typed in) and doesn't have the kinks I want, is not Renpy and is a sandbox I'm most probably not going to be interested. On the other hand if it looks good (better still photorealistic), Renpy, with lolis and incest along with a decent story without the sandbox crap I'm probably going to be a very enthusiastic fan.

 

[pgm_01]

So far most AVN models in Blender look weird to me compared to Daz, (exaggerated eyes, among other oddities that make them look like Disney 3D cartoon characters, but prob just various dev tastes). I'm sure Ketzal will do the animations justice once he figures things out (never used Blender so dunno how hard that is). As far as AI it will prob be the thing to end us all in 30 years and that will be the planet's new dominant species in 50 (and a solution to the Fermi paradox, all civilizations advanced enough to make AI end up going extinct from it, with the AI itself getting taken out when their host star throws an electromagnetic tantrum). I just enjoy the ride while it lasts. For now it makes a good "pet" and I don't care either way if artists use it or not in itself, but about the final product. If it still looks like a 2D cartoon but AI was used to simply be lazy (hardly any drawing done by the "artist" themselves, just a list of prompts typed in) and doesn't have the kinks I want, is not Renpy and is a sandbox I'm most probably not going to be interested. On the other hand if it looks good (better still photorealistic), Renpy, with lolis and incest I'm probably going to be a very enthusiastic fan.

There is a way to use Blender for rendering only. I was investigating how to use DAZ on a Radeon system (because Nvidia is stupidly expensive), and you can use Blender instead of IRay using Daz to Blender Bridge. Blender is insanely powerful, and I have seen people create photo-realistic non-porn animations. Ketzal should be able to maintain the same look and feel by building in Daz and rendering in Blender.

AI is the new cell phone camera. DSLR, mirrorless, even older point and shoot have better lenses than a cell phone. But for most people, a cell phone is good enough. They don't care about shutter speed, they don't give a damn about ISO, they want to be able to quickly take a pic of their kid or cat that looks good enough to post online. AI is going to fill that same niche for writing, music and imagery. It is the fast-food-ification of art. You don't go to McDonald's for the experience, you go because they have cheap easy to consume calories that are tasty enough, and you were in need of something to eat. It means true artists will be out there fighting against a tide of mediocre to poor knock-offs. Their high quality will stand out, but it could also be lost in a sea of dreck.

 

[yoyomistro]

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So far most AVN models in Blender look weird to me compared to Daz, (exaggerated eyes, among other oddities that make them look like Disney 3D cartoon characters, but prob just various dev tastes). I'm sure Ketzal will do the animations justice once he figures things out (never used Blender so dunno how hard that is). As far as AI it will prob be the thing to end us all in 30 years and that will be the planet's new dominant species in 50 (and a solution to the Fermi paradox, all civilizations advanced enough to make AI end up going extinct from it, with the AI itself getting taken out when their star throws an electromagnetic tantrum). I just enjoy the ride while it lasts. For now it makes a good "pet" and I don't care either way if artists use it or not in itself, but about the final product. If it still looks like a 2D cartoon but AI was used to simply be lazy (hardly any drawing done by the "artist" themselves, just a list of prompts typed in) and doesn't have the kinks I want, is not Renpy and is a sandbox I'm most probably not going to be interested. On the other hand if it looks good (better still photorealistic), Renpy, with lolis and incest along with a decent story without the sandbox crap I'm probably going to be a very enthusiastic fan.

Thanks for sharing the updates. Most people don't use Blender models, they're basically like the free stock images of 3d human models. The cartoony models you see used in Blender are typically imports from SFM. You can import from Daz to Blender the same way; I think the main difference you'll see is collision physics, a larger aperture (warmer colors, more diffuse lighting, higher exposure) in default settings, and slight differences in folding for fluid objects and size for smaller objects. Overall, the image quality should be largely the same, and texture differences minute. Daz models will still look like Daz models in Blender, you just get the advantages of Blender's physics.

There is a way to use Blender for rendering only. I was investigating how to use DAZ on a Radeon system (because Nvidia is stupidly expensive), and you can use Blender instead of IRay using Daz to Blender Bridge. Blender is insanely powerful, and I have seen people create photo-realistic non-porn animations. Ketzal should be able to maintain the same look and feel by building in Daz and rendering in Blender.

AI is the new cell phone camera. DSLR, mirrorless, even older point and shoot have better lenses than a cell phone. But for most people, a cell phone is good enough. They don't care about shutter speed, they don't give a damn about ISO, they want to be able to quickly take a pic of their kid or cat that looks good enough to post online. AI is going to fill that same niche for writing, music and imagery. It is the fast-food-ification of art. You don't go to McDonald's for the experience, you go because they have cheap easy to consume calories that are tasty enough, and you were in need of something to eat. It means true artists will be out there fighting against a tide of mediocre to poor knock-offs. Their high quality will stand out, but it could also be lost in a sea of dreck.

AI triggers the ever loving crap out of me for the most part. I don't like seeing the art in VNs, and I hate the syntax the models use. I'm hypersensitive to syntactical use/changes, to the point where I can usually tell a famous author's writing by reading a couple sentences. Not to mention the redundancies and inconsistencies when devs are too lazy to go through the slop's script and make corrections. It's honestly not comparable to cell phone cameras, because at least you can still control lighting, focus, profile, color grading, zoom, and even exposure with most modern cell phone cameras. It's still a reflection of the photographer's skill and eye. AI slop is just slop. You know it's slop no matter who pumped it out of the LLM ether, and I hope some day they get destroyed for training on people's copyrighted works. But that's probably never gonna happen at this point, and we just have to hope for a way to penalize people who monetize slop comes around. At least YouTube is taking the first steps in that direction.

 

[Gerdi B]

ketzal posted some example pictures on his discord that were rendered with blender, and they look fantastic. The quality will certainly not decrease compared to his DAZ renders.

 

[fthegovernment]

ketzal posted some example pictures on his discord that were rendered with blender, and they look fantastic. The quality will certainly not decrease compared to his DAZ renders.

post them here if not against the rules

 

[Nicest_Incest]

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Not that I ever pulled out of Alice but for those few that did my condolences for pulling out for nothing and only having half an orgasm as a result. I guess we will find out soon who the other pregnancy option is. I'm hoping it's Nicole, but that seems unlikely since she had to get Cassey to act as a surrogate unless that medical issue was fixed at some point. Not Cassey, because she had to borrow one of Nicole's eggs. It's prob Leana, though I hope not because to me pregnant 10yo's are more weird/cringe than hot (and pretty unlikely anyway). At least it's optional. My Dorm has similar issues as far as render multiplication, but it's far worse since there's like a dozen LI's that can be pregnant or not (maybe even more, didn't count and haven't played it in a year or so). I'm sure the dev of that will regret that during the next part when they start showing (or not) in a few AVN months and he has to deal with all that, even if he cheats and it's just a flash-forward to endings with a single render for each.

 

[scrapdragon]

sad to see there is still some hold back on starting to use (i presume) I2V models for animation in AVN. it highly increase the productivity, you just need to Daz the key frame poses, and even modify them in a way Daz struggles with, to get short animation.

still totally human decision, effort and creativity. it just another way to render, so I don't see why he limited it to start screen etc, except audiences push back.
the only toolless 3d animation is claymation. I2V model is no more a tool than Blender

 

[User_182577]

Any scenes between tiffany and her mother coming at last :-( ?

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Any scenes between tiffany and her mother coming at last :-( ?

No. She doesn't seem the pervert type to do that either.

 

[Moss]

Any scenes between tiffany and her mother coming at last :-( ?

Hope so.

 

[User_61141]

Please, discuss the ketzal's discord situation here: https://lewdcorner.com/threads/what-happened-to-ketzal-famous-for-ssp.14709

PS: everyone there was affected and if you had already a similar issue with other dev's discord (my case) you were permanently suspended from discord

 

[davenations]

anyone have the walkthrough mod as koga also removed the game from his site.

 

[Private_User69]

anyone have the walkthrough mod as koga also removed the game from his site.

KoGa3's Links (taken from the wayback machine)

Replay Unlocker/Game Enhancement Mod (v0.11.7R):

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It would be a wise idea for the mods to reupload them and add them to the original post

 

[zerodead]

What happened to this page? The page for this game isn't showing up, the game's Patreon site isn't showing up anymore, and the discord doesn't seem to be active, it seems like it was canceled.

 

[Private_User69]

What happened to this page? The page for this game isn't showing up, the game's Patreon site isn't showing up anymore, and the discord doesn't seem to be active, it seems like it was canceled.

https://lewdcorner.com/threads/what-happened-to-ketzal-famous-for-ssp.14709 takes like 2s to scroll up 3 messages.

 

[fthegovernment]

What happened to this page? The page for this game isn't showing up, the game's Patreon site isn't showing up anymore, and the discord doesn't seem to be active, it seems like it was canceled.

if you get alerts to this thread you already know whats going on.
if not...... this is posted 3 posts above your post

https://lewdcorner.com/threads/what-happened-to-ketzal-famous-for-ssp.14709

 

[Nicest_Incest]

What happened to this page? The page for this game isn't showing up, the game's Patreon site isn't showing up anymore, and the discord doesn't seem to be active, it seems like it was canceled.

Discord was banned a couple days ago and things went to shit from there. Patreon never was a thing.

 

[BadJM]

I have a bad feeling that this will be the end of Ketzal's games. Or at least games with this type of content. If he is able to get his SS back, then there is still some hope. If not, I don't see how he recovers from this.
Edit: It seems like his account on this forum is also gone. So yea... it's probably over.

 

[Malakai]

I have a bad feeling that this will be the end of Ketzal's games. Or at least games with this type of content. If he is able to get his SS back, then there is still some hope. If not, I don't see how he recovers from this.

I hope you are wrong.....but it does look really bad currently for every loli dev.
I mean, our hero, Ketzal, even left his own country to be able to develope his game(s) in a non restricted country. :/

Maybe its time to REALLY archive games with lolis....before the apocalypse happens and stuff like this gets banned everywere for real. :S

 

[BadJM]

I hope you are wrong.....but it does look really bad currently for every loli dev.
I mean, our hero, Ketzal, even left his own country to be able to develope his game(s) in a non restricted country. :/

Maybe its time to REALLY archive games with lolis....before the apocalypse happens and stuff like this gets banned everywere for real. :S

I mean it doesn't look good right now, even his account here is gone. So I don't really know what to think
Maybe if someone here is subbed to him on SS, they can try to contact him. If the page is still just shadowbanned, the subs should still have access to it.