discussion Ren'Py [Koikatsu] Lessons in Love [v0.57.0] [Selebus]

[blueskye]

I love this game, but you basically need to follow the wiki and have alot of patience

 

[info0]

is worth to play this in his actual state or is better to wait until is complete?

If you like to torture yourself, play it now. The game is massive, but you need a walkthrough open at all times least you want to miss certain events or be locked out of certain events.

I dropped out of this game update ~0.40. Lost my saves too. I dread to start this game from zero :/. This game is flooded with walls of text and random stuff messing with your head.

I will personally now wait till it's complete.

 

[angband]

is worth to play this in his actual state or is better to wait until is complete?

If you are going to wait until this game is complete, you are going to have to set a reminder to check back in at least four years, and that is probably optimistic.

 

[AndyOTR]

is worth to play this in his actual state or is better to wait until is complete?

With the author's ambitions, this game will never be complete.
And you have to understand that this game is not about a happy harem with girls, but about the author’s dirty psychological tricks on your mind (which can ultimately lead to unpredictable consequences, including suicide).

By the way, the missing tags need to be added - anal sex, rape and NTR.
The latest update is disgusting, the game is rapidly deteriorating.

 

[D4WN5_KN1GH7]

There are a few points in the game that is tricky to pass. Haven't played it for prob half a year (waiting for enouhg updates), so can't help you on the specifics though I do remember the event you mention. I would recommend the online wiki site for the game, actually I'd call it pretty much indispensible.

You could just read the game files for the answers

 

[AlBetGam]

You could just read the game files for the answers

Or use this text file (thank you some guy on F_95 whose name I can't remember) which has hints for most of the resets.

There may be a more recent version in the thread there, haven't checked it in a while.

 

[AndyOTR]

Or you can use URM to see all the hidden forks and the requirements for them.

 

[sbeve_helied]

best way to get through is with the autovn mod imo. saves all of the grind and streamlines the whole thing; you still need to either pay a lot of attention or use a guide for the reset puzzles though.

 

[AndyOTR]

best way to get through is with the autovn mod imo. saves all of the grind and streamlines the whole thing; you still need to either pay a lot of attention or use a guide for the reset puzzles though.

It takes too long to update. The new version of the mod appears when most people have already played the new version of the game.

 

[angband]

It takes too long to update. The new version of the mod appears when most people have already played the new version of the game.

So basically, the story on that is that the mod author waits until the public release has officially dropped, around mid-month, as a courtesy to the dev. If you follow the thread over on the F-site, someone will normally post a list of triggers for each update within a few days that can be used instead to avoid having to wait. I normally just play and try to find everything on my own, then install the mod update when it drops to make sure I have everything.

 

[AndyOTR]

the mod author waits until the public release has officially dropped

And this is a mistake, because it makes the mod unnecessary for ~95% of players.
There is no point for a player to wait for two weeks if he can play right after the leak. The delay between game updates is already too long. In fact, the author of the game lied to everyone in the past that if the game is supported significantly, then updates will be more frequent and bigger. In fact, they have become much less frequent (2 weeks initially, 1-2 months now), and he keeps coming up with new reasons why they should become even less frequent. So, even from a moral point of view, there is no point in waiting 2 weeks after the release, this has a negative impact on the developer's discipline.

 

[AlBetGam]

And this is a mistake, because it makes the mod unnecessary for ~95% of players.
There is no point for a player to wait for two weeks if he can play right after the leak.

It's not a mistake, it's a policy choice. If a player wants to play it that urgently there's nothing stopping him. He'll just have to do it without the mod. Which may annoy you but until someone else makes a comparable mod, well, what are you going to do?

The delay between game updates is already too long.

This is one of the most consistently and regularly updated adult games out there.

In fact, the author of the game lied to everyone in the past that if the game is supported significantly, then updates will be more frequent and bigger. In fact, they have become much less frequent (2 weeks initially, 1-2 months now), and he keeps coming up with new reasons why they should become even less frequent. So, even from a moral point of view, there is no point in waiting 2 weeks after the release, this has a negative impact on the developer's discipline.

Regardless of how you feel about Selebus' release schedule, he's not the kind of guy who would alter it even slightly based on the walkthrough mod's release timing. His "discipline" isn't going to be impacted either way.

 

[angband]

And this is a mistake, because it makes the mod unnecessary for ~95% of players.

This is a sacrifice that the mod author has said that he is willing to make. The game dev tends to be arrogant, dismissive, and even outright hostile to the people who play his game, so people on the "other" site asked the mod author why he bothers showing such a courtesy to the dev. Apparently he still manages to have a decent relationship with the dev and just doesn't want to upset it. That's just a personal decision, and the community has accepted it for the most part.

There is no point for a player to wait for two weeks if he can play right after the leak. The delay between game updates is already too long. In fact, the author of the game lied to everyone in the past that if the game is supported significantly, then updates will be more frequent and bigger. In fact, they have become much less frequent (2 weeks initially, 1-2 months now), and he keeps coming up with new reasons why they should become even less frequent. So, even from a moral point of view, there is no point in waiting 2 weeks after the release, this has a negative impact on the developer's discipline.

How many players of other games would kill for a 1-2 month update schedule?

 

[AlBetGam]

How many players of other games would kill for a 1-2 month update schedule?

Especially when those updates consistently have significant content. Even plenty of games that do update consistently have, like, 15 minutes of content per update; meanwhile the changelog for 0.51.0 says 20 full events.

 

[AndyOTR]

If a player wants to play it that urgently there's nothing stopping him. He'll just have to do it without the mod. Which may annoy you but until someone else makes a comparable mod, well, what are you going to do?

That's the point. Deliberately delaying the release of a mod makes it _useless_ for most players.
And why should I be annoyed by that? Personally, I don't need this mod, I have no problem with code analysis or using URM. This should annoy the mod author, not me.

This is a sacrifice that the mod author has said that he is willing to make.

It's unreasonable, illogical and doesn't make sense. It's as if the mod author is making a mod for the game author, not for those who play the game with his mod (or could play).

How many players of other games would kill for a 1-2 month update schedule?

Don't you understand how the Overton window works? First you agree to a small thing, then to another small thing, and now 2 weeks have turned into 2 months, and you continue to think that this is normal. In the future, 2 months will turn into half a year, then into a year, and you will still be ready to "kill" for an update in a year? The vast majority of games die in this scenario, but fanboys never stop believing in a bright future.

Especially when those updates consistently have significant content.

Most of which is pointless monologues and moralistic nonsense that are quickly skipped, leaving the same 15 minutes of content.

 

[AlBetGam]

That's the point. Deliberately delaying the release of a mod makes it _useless_ for most players.
And why should I be annoyed by that? Personally, I don't need this mod, I have no problem with code analysis or using URM. This should annoy the mod author, not me.

It only makes it useless for those players who absolutely cannot handle waiting to play an update. Most people have more patience than that.

Most of which is pointless monologues and moralistic nonsense that are quickly skipped, leaving the same 15 minutes of content.

If you've played this game for more than a couple updates you know that it is very dialogue heavy and introspective. If you like that, then none of that is 'pointless and quickly skipped', it's what you downloaded it for.

If you don't like that why even come back to a game that's so heavily focused on it?

 

[angband]

It's unreasonable, illogical and doesn't make sense. It's as if the mod author is making a mod for the game author, not for those who play the game with his mod (or could play).

Maybe illogical to us, but not to the mod author--who, I might add, is doing this for free in his own time. When people complain on the other site, the response tends to be something to the effect of, "Well, if you don't like it, we look forward to you making your own and sharing it." Needless to say, it hasn't happened yet.

Don't you understand how the Overton window works? First you agree to a small thing, then to another small thing, and now 2 weeks have turned into 2 months, and you continue to think that this is normal. In the future, 2 months will turn into half a year, then into a year, and you will still be ready to "kill" for an update in a year? The vast majority of games die in this scenario, but fanboys never stop believing in a bright future.

Yes, we've all heard about the expression of how you can boil a frog alive if you turn up the heat gradually enough. But I'm confused about the whole "First you agree to a small thing" part. That would imply that there is some actual negotiation going on, but as I see it, there is nothing of the sort happening. What is happening, is the dev says, "Here's my release schedule" and he either holds to it or he doesn't (this one does for the most part). The only people who might have some influence are the subscribers, who can decide to drop their support if they don't like what they are getting (again, though, the release schedule for this title is quite a bit toward the faster side compared to others). Otherwise, unless you are a subscriber, there is no "I don't agree to this" about it. You take it or you leave it. What else is there to do? Threaten to not download it for free anymore? A non-subscriber has zero leverage, and any complaining is just pointless.

 

[D4WN5_KN1GH7]

It only makes it useless for those players who absolutely cannot handle waiting to play an update. Most people have more patience than that.

If you've played this game for more than a couple updates you know that it is very dialogue heavy and introspective. If you like that, then none of that is 'pointless and quickly skipped', it's what you downloaded it for.

If you don't like that why even come back to a game that's so heavily focused on it?

I could at least do without having to translate the numbers, but I do understand it adds to the interactive aspect. It just adds a lot of extra time.

 

[AlBetGam]

I could at least do without having to translate the numbers, but I do understand it adds to the interactive aspect. It just adds a lot of extra time.

Yeah, I really wouldn't mind a mod that translated them on mouse-over or something.

 

[D4WN5_KN1GH7]

If you like to torture yourself, play it now. The game is massive, but you need a walkthrough open at all times least you want to miss certain events or be locked out of certain events.

I dropped out of this game update ~0.40. Lost my saves too. I dread to start this game from zero :/. This game is flooded with walls of text and random stuff messing with your head.

I will personally now wait till it's complete.

I just fast-forward through everything till I got back where I was.