discussion Abandoned VN Ren'Py DAZ Apocalypse [v0.37b-LMAr2] [LEGACYUSER]

[BadJM]

I will never understand why this was abandoned it only had potential

Well there are a few possible reasons for him abandoning the game, the most obvious is that the game wasn't really making money and he kept getting banned everywhere so he just decided to stop working on it. But it's still weird that he just disappeared without saying anything if that is the reason. Second option, something health related happened to him and he is either sick or even dead. And the third option is that dude got in trouble with the law because of the contents of his game or stuff he watched online.

 

[jaredh72]

They kept getting banned off of monetization platforms. You can't demand someone works for free.

It wasn't so much that as someone was White Knighting him and just going after him in general, as if they had a grudge against him. He was having other accounts, such as social media ones and DeviantArt, banned as well.

I believe they tried making a fake/vanilla account, but could never get it approved.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

It wasn't so much that as someone was White Knighting him and just going after him in general, as if they had a grudge against him. He was having other accounts, such as social media ones and DeviantArt, banned as well.

I believe they tried making a fake/vanilla account, but could never get it approved.

Sounds like he should prob just make his own website, host it himself, and set up a bank account just for a tip jar and post the account/routing number on his own site along with crypto as well and updated those here in the OP. Oh well, sounds like he gave up a long time ago. Cudos to the devs that simply do work on their art for free, much harder to stop those few while they flip the bird to the censorship system. Kinda fucked up that even DeviantArt are now prudes too. Duh, they are supposed to host deviant stuff, but I guess their name no longer fits.

 

[yoyomistro]

Sounds like he should prob just make his own website, host it himself, and set up a bank account just for a tip jar and post the account/routing number on his own site along with crypto as well and updated those here in the OP. Oh well, sounds like he gave up a long time ago. Cudos to the devs that simply do work on their art for free, much harder to stop those few while they flip the bird to the censorship system. Kinda fucked up that even DeviantArt are now prudes too. Duh, they are supposed to host deviant stuff, but I guess their name no longer fits.

Yes, but there's the time and effort for that, and most funding you're getting is from natural traffic to trustworthy sites, and as soon as you go down that route, you're losing a bunch of people who won't put their card info onto a non-trusted platform. Plus the psychological toll of nutjob crusaders stalking you across the web has got to leave its mark as well. Fuck all those wackos, there are plenty of real children in the world that they should spend their time saving. They seriously need some sort of wellness check.

 

[VNenjoyer]

Damn brother I grind all the way through just to see this game abandoned. Kinda feels like a kick in the bollock..

 

[MassBan]

I have a large sum of money for whomever creates a program to extract assets from a game and uses it to finish this appropriately

 

[Nicest_Incest]

I have a large sum of money for whomever creates a program to extract assets from a game and uses it to finish this appropriately

There's no way to "extract" the assets used from a finished .webp or similar. It would have to be reverse engineered, probably by AI to avoid the tedium of trial and error and guesswork manually. What you're asking for is the visual equivalent of unmixing a finished .mp3 and getting the individual audio tracks back so you can remix them, but worse with thousands of assets instead of a dozen or so tracks. Every attempt at that I've come across so far (using Audacity, Fruity Loops and other similar tools) sounds like shit even as individual tracks before remixing. I imagine at best the renders would be a bit of a jolt in their differences with a completely different artist making it anyway. Even the same artists often redo their own earlier renders as they gain skill over long dev times like 4-5 years for consistency. Other than the few fan fictions (ie Big Brother) and the very few rights transfers (ie Personal Assistant) most people with that much time and skill just make their own AVN. Though I do wish devs that decide to quit would just publicly release their assets/.duf files and let whoever's willing pick up the fumbled football if they don't plan on continuing it. Though like Big Brother that I think did that you then get mostly bad knockoffs, but better than nothing I guess.

 

[MassBan]

There's no way to "extract" the assets used from a finished .webp or similar. It would have to be reverse engineered, probably by AI to avoid the tedium of trial and error and guesswork manually.

Offer stands; Where there is a will, there is a way... We may not know what the way is at present, but there is ALWAYS a way.

And while I understand what youre saying about music I also understand that backing tracks, instumentals, and vocal isolation are a thing (where once upon a time it was not) because they are sampled throughout other genres of music (particularly American rap). There's videos out there of several famous drummers playing drums to songs they have never heard by listening to nothing but isolated vocal tracks since the advent of mp3 files (before that it would've been virtually impossible). There are also ways of making one singer perform music from another era and genre entirely (Ever heard Chester Bennington perform Frank Sinatra because the tech is there? I have courtesy of TikTok )

Id wager there has to be a way of replicating models [EDITED] it's just a matter of somebody having the hardware, software and knowledge n getting them to put forth the effort .


If there were a rule written in stone you had to post assets before you abandoned it would be nice, but unfortunately there is no way to force somebody to honor the agreement when there is no way to enforce it when they dont

 

[fthegovernment]

Offer stands; Where there is a will, there is a way... We may not know what the way is at present, but there is ALWAYS a way.

And while I understand what youre saying about music I also understand that backing tracks, instumentals, and vocal isolation are a thing (where once upon a time it was not) because they are sampled throughout other genres of music (particularly American rap). There's videos out there of several famous drummers playing drums to songs they have never heard by listening to nothing but isolated vocal tracks since the advent of mp3 files (before that it would've been virtually impossible). There are also ways of making one singer perform music from another era and genre entirely (Ever heard Chester Bennington perform Frank Sinatra because the tech is there? I have courtesy of TikTok )

Id wager there has to be a way of replicating models [EDITED] it's just a matter of somebody having the hardware, software and knowledge n getting them to put forth the effort .


If there were a rule written in stone you had to post assets before you abandoned it would be nice, but unfortunately there is no way to force somebody to honor the agreement when there is no way to enforce it when they dont

if you can turn one single photo into a rotating 3D animation I don't see why a character can not be recreated.

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[MassBan]

if you can turn one single photo into a rotating 3D animation I don't see why a character can not be recreated.

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My point precisely... I dont have the pc to do so otherwise I'd give it a whirl myself

 

[NovaJack]

Wow .. i must admit i wasnt not expecting the content this game had. I mean that in a good way. Such a massive pity it was abandoned.

Now i have a question. The latest version states it is a LMA 2 version ..yet in the game when given the option to play the LMA story ...it says it not available.
Any ideas what gone wrong ? Am i missing something ?

 

[yoyomistro]

Wow .. i must admit i wasnt not expecting the content this game had. I mean that in a good way. Such a massive pity it was abandoned.

Now i have a question. The latest version states it is a LMA 2 version ..yet in the game when given the option to play the LMA story ...it says it not available.
Any ideas what gone wrong ? Am i missing something ?

You have to go through the main story to unlock it. I don't remember exactly at which point you access it though, as I haven't played the update yet myself. I'll probably get to it soon enough and update the post if I find the exact access point.

 

[NovaJack]

is the last bit of content in LMA the date(s) ?
i get pathing errors after the date ..states end of content then errors out.

 

[fthegovernment]

Wow .. i must admit i wasnt not expecting the content this game had. I mean that in a good way. Such a massive pity it was abandoned.

Now i have a question. The latest version states it is a LMA 2 version ..yet in the game when given the option to play the LMA story ...it says it not available.
Any ideas what gone wrong ? Am i missing something ?

ya, you are missing that its "abandoned" & yet keep looking for something thats in a game that was "abandoned"

 

[jaredh72]

Offer stands; Where there is a will, there is a way... We may not know what the way is at present, but there is ALWAYS a way.

And while I understand what youre saying about music I also understand that backing tracks, instumentals, and vocal isolation are a thing (where once upon a time it was not) because they are sampled throughout other genres of music (particularly American rap). There's videos out there of several famous drummers playing drums to songs they have never heard by listening to nothing but isolated vocal tracks since the advent of mp3 files (before that it would've been virtually impossible). There are also ways of making one singer perform music from another era and genre entirely (Ever heard Chester Bennington perform Frank Sinatra because the tech is there? I have courtesy of TikTok )

Id wager there has to be a way of replicating models [EDITED] it's just a matter of somebody having the hardware, software and knowledge n getting them to put forth the effort .


If there were a rule written in stone you had to post assets before you abandoned it would be nice, but unfortunately there is no way to force somebody to honor the agreement when there is no way to enforce it when they dont

Even if there was a way to enforce it or get devs to genuinely agree to do so, it's sometimes not possible, like if the dev unexpectedly dies.

 

[yoyomistro]

Even if there was a way to enforce it or get devs to genuinely agree to do so, it's sometimes not possible, like if the dev unexpectedly dies.

Yea, intellectual property exists for a reason. I'd rather not deal with a world where everything was "fair game" for randos to do what they want with. And yea there have been several games where the dev actually did die, not like faked and disappeared as happens sometimes. In those cases I'd say half the time they had a contingency and someone picked up the project with their existing assets, or someone had access to their devices and was able to alert their communities to their passing. I wouldn't want a world where you're mandated to make your IP available to someone in case you abandon it, both just in and of itself, but also because of other implications carried with it. Most legal systems exist in a framework. You can't just change the way one thing works without affecting a bunch of adjacent issues since laws tend not to exist as narrow statutory decrees.

 

[e6mill]

Yea, intellectual property exists for a reason. I'd rather not deal with a world where everything was "fair game" for randos to do what they want with. And yea there have been several games where the dev actually did die, not like faked and disappeared as happens sometimes. In those cases I'd say half the time they had a contingency and someone picked up the project with their existing assets, or someone had access to their devices and was able to alert their communities to their passing. I wouldn't want a world where you're mandated to make your IP available to someone in case you abandon it, both just in and of itself, but also because of other implications carried with it. Most legal systems exist in a framework. You can't just change the way one thing works without affecting a bunch of adjacent issues since laws tend not to exist as narrow statutory decrees.

Unless it's a case of the writer learning to do renders or something along those lines I'd usually prefer the new dev show us THEIR vision rather than keeping the old story alive - look at how that's working out for Star Wars.

 

[Nicest_Incest]

Yea, intellectual property exists for a reason. I'd rather not deal with a world where everything was "fair game" for randos to do what they want with. And yea there have been several games where the dev actually did die, not like faked and disappeared as happens sometimes. In those cases I'd say half the time they had a contingency and someone picked up the project with their existing assets, or someone had access to their devices and was able to alert their communities to their passing. I wouldn't want a world where you're mandated to make your IP available to someone in case you abandon it, both just in and of itself, but also because of other implications carried with it. Most legal systems exist in a framework. You can't just change the way one thing works without affecting a bunch of adjacent issues since laws tend not to exist as narrow statutory decrees.

In China IP is a foreign concept. If it's made of 1 or 0's (or atoms for that matter) and someone can improve upon it (or make it cheaper) before selling it it's fair game. People are just expected to release it for the betterment of society after a set period more than their own personal benefit. And that period is certainly not 120 years or whatever those stupid Mickey Mouse laws set the new time limit as. More like 5-10 or until someone else beats you at your own game, but I can't read Chinese to check to be sure. I can understand if someone is still alive and making a living/personal income from it but as far as abandoned IP fuck it, esp if they are dead so obviously won't mind anyway, never mind billion-dollar media companies milking it for half a century or more, fuck them and their IP rights in those cases.

 

[yoyomistro]

In China IP is a foreign concept. If it's made of 1 or 0's (or atoms for that matter) and someone can improve upon it (or make it cheaper) before selling it it's fair game. People are just expected to release it for the betterment of society after a set period more than their own personal benefit. And that period is certainly not 120 years or whatever those stupid Mickey Mouse laws set the new time limit as. More like 5-10 or until someone else beats you at your own game, but I can't read Chinese to check to be sure. I can understand if someone is still alive and making a living/personal income from it but as far as abandoned IP fuck it, esp if they are dead so obviously won't mind anyway, never mind billion-dollar media companies milking it for half a century or more, fuck them and their IP rights in those cases.

Yea, I mostly care about IP right for the author while they are alive. I'm agnostic to corporate IP unless they specifically contracted an IP to be made on their behalf, which is different from buying the rights to someone's IP so they have the funds to realize it. I'm personally a fan of Japan's system; AFAIK you retain the rights to your IP regardless of if a corporation chooses to pick it up, even VAs have the rights to their voice work as far as I'm aware there. It does create fucky cases where Nintendo can sue the shit out of modders, though. I'd want allowances for people to make not-for-profit modifications to your IP, especially if it's a game or some other technically-inclined IP.

 

[Beduin123]

In China IP is a foreign concept.

It has been a foreign concept pretty much everywhere throughout the human history. It is rather recent invention in the West. For example, in ancient India an author of a book often didn't bother to put his name on it. They usually attributed it to some famous person (or god) in the past. The other authors could add to the story or rewrite it. In many old civilizations it was the same.