discussion VN Ren'Py DAZ Alyssa's Ascension [v0.1.2] [Gore Games]

[i_patchy]

Most AVN players are also male with no aspirations to be female, so it makes sense that MMC's are more popular.

- true, but quality of the games with MMC isnt much higher in story/setup/setting either. As you mentioned, most of the time its a guy with an absent father who than suddenly decided that he wants to bang every female around him. Yeah, and he has monster cock ( im talking about i themed there obviously ). Games than dont follow this trope are almost like unicorns, just as games that follow that trope but attempt to at least somewhat justify it.

well, that's the case because no matter the MC's gender you have to cater to a mostly male audience to be successful. Usually that either ends up being the usual stupid FMC getting taken advantage of at every opportunity like in the AVN I previously mentioned or the countless slutfests where she's NTR'ing her bf at every opportunity or, rarely, she's simply bi or lesbian and maybe also a pervert with an incest fetish seducing her son or brother like a bunch I've come across. Kinda like the male MC but simply with genders reversed, but there's just a very limited number of plausible possible scenarios that actually require the MC to be female when you think about it.

- i just want more romance AVN's with MC being just an ordinary ( hu )man instead of somekind of eldritch being that seduces and corrupts everything around them or being yet another Ironman Musk Goldpocket III that buys everything he ever wanted. Also when it comes to FMC's its always the mom, never a sis. Almost like a statement that women can have some sembalance of agency only when they older, in contrast with MMC's that come in shape dad/older guy and son/younger guy. Young FMC's are always victimised ( even when they dont realise this, im looking at you Alyssa ), mom MC's are always getting slowly corrupted, which reduces their agency but not completely removes it. Remaining ones are just sluts in the making ( granted one can say that it is exactly what MMC's are... ). You can count games that dont follow this path when it comes to FMC with fingers on one hand. Games by EvaKiss are there ( incest route with dad is actually good girl path in Good girl gone bad ), than Naughty Neighbours are kinda in the middle because story/setting wise FMC sorta rediscovers her naughty side and game actually allows her to have some agency and not become perpetual cocksleave. Wife and mother is slowburn corruption, i like it but... it is just a better version of established trope when it comes to AVN's with FMC's ( and i root mostly for bro+sis path anyway ).

I guess this is mostly a rant about story writing in porn games... yeah. Cringe. Were is John Carmack when you need him?

Well, "plausible possible scenarios that actually require the MC to be female" is perhaps not the correct point of view, seeing how 50% of the world's population happens to be female.
So it's not the issue to requiring anything, it's sometimes just interesting to see things from a female POV, even if you are a male.

- the problem is that you dont really get female perspective, unless by that you mean perspective of female character from male oriented porn novel. Eponymous Alyssa is naive and borderline dumb. Imagine an MMC like that, and than imagine a comment section...

Also, not sure what's wrong with female protagonists who are "simply bi or lesbian and maybe also a pervert with an incest fetish seducing her son or brother".

- story wise it goes out of nowhere, character suddenly just decides that she is fine with carpet munching and incest. MMC's have same problem. You are 18-21 male and than suddenly one day you decided to spread your seed... with your close relatives... Just a year ago he did not wanted it. I guess most MMC's are just late bloomers than.

I happen to like such games.

- im too. But it doesnt mean we should not strive for more.

But in general, I tend to self-insert (up to a point), so games where I play as a male MC, I am not that much interested into fucking anything that moves but more into fucking girls which interest me, either because of the incest / body type, or, in the rare case of well written games, the girl's personality.

- did you played... Raptus?

 

[Freyr]

- true, but quality of the games with MMC isnt much higher in story/setup/setting either. As you mentioned, most of the time its a guy with an absent father who than suddenly decided that he wants to bang every female around him. Yeah, and he has monster cock ( im talking about i themed there obviously ). Games than dont follow this trope are almost like unicorns, just as games that follow that trope but attempt to at least somewhat justify it.

- i just want more romance AVN's with MC being just an ordinary ( hu )man instead of somekind of eldritch being that seduces and corrupts everything around them or being yet another Ironman Musk Goldpocket III that buys everything he ever wanted. Also when it comes to FMC's its always the mom, never a sis. Almost like a statement that women can have some sembalance of agency only when they older, in contrast with MMC's that come in shape dad/older guy and son/younger guy. Young FMC's are always victimised ( even when they dont realise this, im looking at you Alyssa ), mom MC's are always getting slowly corrupted, which reduces their agency but not completely removes it. Remaining ones are just sluts in the making ( granted one can say that it is exactly what MMC's are... ). You can count games that dont follow this path when it comes to FMC with fingers on one hand. Games by EvaKiss are there ( incest route with dad is actually good girl path in Good girl gone bad ), than Naughty Neighbours are kinda in the middle because story/setting wise FMC sorta rediscovers her naughty side and game actually allows her to have some agency and not become perpetual cocksleave. Wife and mother is slowburn corruption, i like it but... it is just a better version of established trope when it comes to AVN's with FMC's ( and i root mostly for bro+sis path anyway ).

I guess this is mostly a rant about story writing in porn games... yeah. Cringe. Were is John Carmack when you need him?

- the problem is that you dont really get female perspective, unless by that you mean perspective of female character from male oriented porn novel. Eponymous Alyssa is naive and borderline dumb. Imagine an MMC like that, and than imagine a comment section...

- story wise it goes out of nowhere, character suddenly just decides that she is fine with carpet munching and incest. MMC's have same problem. You are 18-21 male and than suddenly one day you decided to spread your seed... with your close relatives... Just a year ago he did not wanted it. I guess most MMC's are just late bloomers than.

- im too. But it doesnt mean we should not strive for more.

- did you played... Raptus?

The kind of female protagonist game that I like is for example this one:
https://lewdcorner.com/threads/her-desire-s2-ch-9-v0-19-wack-daddy.3090/

The protagonist has a lot of options to choose or avoid what kind of encounters she wants, and even on the slutty path, you are still in control. And while the protagonist is not portrayed as an incredibly intelligent person, she's definitely not stupid either.

As for male vs female perspective, I don't know if a man can convincingly write (or understand while playing) a female perspective or vice versa. But there are plenty of stereotypical games about horny young guys as well. Big Brother for example. So the stereotype does go both ways. And I don't really like games like Big Brother either.

 

[i_patchy]

The kind of female protagonist game that I like is for example this one:
https://lewdcorner.com/threads/her-desire-s2-ch-9-v0-19-wack-daddy.3090/

- i consider that game to be derivative of AWAM. I like it, but to me it looks like dev just wanted to make his version of AWAM were protagonist is just slutty so player could jump in to action ASAP. Project Myriam has a bit more meat on its bones in this regard IMO.

As for male vs female perspective, I don't know if a man can convincingly write (or understand while playing) a female perspective or vice versa. But there are plenty of stereotypical games about horny young guys as well. Big Brother for example. So the stereotype does go both ways. And I don't really like games like Big Brother either.

- well, we are talking about porn, so "writing convincingly" is already kinda compromised by all that jazz. My point is that you can hardly see true female perspective from a corruption game, unless we agree that female perspective is either being a whore or be a victim. This is very prominent in Akabur games ( altough there you play a male ), were in the end female accept their role as cocksleeve as some kind of ultimate moment of liberation and truth... even thou they were forced/coerced in that role to begin with.

Also Big Brother is actually one of OG's when it comes to popularization of modern porn games and i-themed ones in general. I would not called it stereotypical... because... well... it is were that stereotype actually originated from.

 

[Freyr]

- i consider that game to be derivative of AWAM. I like it, but to me it looks like dev just wanted to make his version of AWAM were protagonist is just slutty so player could jump in to action ASAP. Project Myriam has a bit more meat on its bones in this regard IMO.

I wouldn't call it a derivative, just that there are only that many scenario's on which to base your incest porn game.

Basically it comes down to the following:
- Young guy perving on his mother and sisters
- Young guy in an actual romantic relationship with his sister (sadly quite rare)
- Older guy falling in love with his daughter, usually after not seeing her for a long time or even never (quite common and probably my personal favorite)
- Older guy looking for a harem consisting of his daughters and her friends (quite common, especially in the games+ category)

Or the same from the female perspective:
- Young girl perving on her father/mother and brothers/sisters (never seen that one although it could be fun in my opinion, there are a few where the young female protagonist gets into a sexual relationship with her mother)
- Young girl in an actual romantic relationship with her brother/sister (sadly also quite rare)
- Older woman falling in love with her son/daughter, usually after not seeing her for a long time or even never (never seen that one)
- Older woman looking for fun with her son/daughter as well as others (the AWAM version).

Basically the main difference is that the prevalence of each category differs between male and female MC. And also that male MC is far more common to begin with.

And another difference is that for female MC games, lesbian/bi is almost a must, where gay/bi is very rare for male MC games.

What I like about Her Desire compared to AWAM, is actually that the MC does not need to be "corrupted", she just does what she (the player) wants. Arguably this is more realistic, the protagonist is not a shy virgin: she had a few kids, a job, responsibilities etc. Also, arguably, the MC of AWAM turns out more slutty than the one of Her Desire. And Her Desire focusses more on the incest and less on the side stories.

- well, we are talking about porn, so "writing convincingly" is already kinda compromised by all that jazz. My point is that you can hardly see true female perspective from a corruption game, unless we agree that female perspective is either being a whore or be a victim. This is very prominent in Akabur games ( altough there you play a male ), were in the end female accept their role as cocksleeve as some kind of ultimate moment of liberation and truth... even thou they were forced/coerced in that role to begin with.

Also Big Brother is actually one of OG's when it comes to popularization of modern porn games and i-themed ones in general. I would not called it stereotypical... because... well... it is were that stereotype actually originated from.

Big Brother is indeed one of the defining games of the genre, but that does not mean it's not stereotypical. Even if something is new, the MC is quite flat, and doesn't have the depth needed to make it non-stereotypical.
And I do feel that Eric should probably have been the real MC.

I think the key to avoiding the whore/victim trap, is to give the main character agency, and to keep the "slutty" events fairly low-key.
For example, in Her Desire, the MC and her friends have a party where there is a male stripper. The MC can go all the way with him, but she can also stop halfway, or not participate at all. And doing something with a male stripper (especially something else than full sex) is slutty but it's not completely outrageous either (assuming the husband is fine with it).
Compare that with either the blackmail storyline in AWAM, or the private tuition storyline in AWAM, both are more slutty, more outrageous and (in the blackmail storyline) there is less agency.

 

[Staystrong]

Male mc's will always be more popular. Why? Because it's about emersion, I don't like FMC's myself, but thats because I can't imagine myself as a female. And at the end of the day we usually enjoy stories where we can draw parrallels between ourselves and the protag.

 

[Goofygoofygal]

Looks promising, thought I hope the next update will feature some 'action' with Alyssa.

 

[goons]

Looking at the title made me think this was related to "Its not a world for Alyssa." This girl is also blond which didn't help.

 

[Goofygoofygal]

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Looking at the title made me think this was related to "Its not a world for Alyssa." This girl is also blond which didn't help.

Maybe her sister from another mister?

 

[goregames]

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Maybe her sister from another mister?

I have not played that game, or know who Partedes is, or what it's about.
If you have played Rayne's Reign: The Beginning, Amelia (Alyssa's mother)... I'm making the daughters have the same first letter of their name., so I made Alyssa up. (repetition).

 

[Goofygoofygal]

I have not played that game, or know who Partedes is, or what it's about.
If you have played Rayne's Reign: The Beginning, Amelia (Alyssa's mother)... I'm making the daughters have the same first letter of their name., so I made Alyssa up. (repetition).

Tame but promising start, looking forward to the next update

 

[Gametimer]

I downloaded this game to play on my Android, but it doesn't work. I can bring it up, but after pressing the start game button, it kicks me all the way out of the game.
Is anybody else having this issue, or does anybody know how to correct it?
Thanks.

 

[i_patchy]

I wouldn't call it a derivative, just that there are only that many scenario's on which to base your incest porn game.

- it ( among other similar games ) appeared after success and ultimate dissatisfaction with AWAM. It follows same story bits, just way way faster. Naughty Neighbors, Her Desire, Being a Wife/Christine Watson and couple of other titles. All of those games clearly based on AWAM.

Basically it comes down to the following:
- Young guy perving on his mother and sisters
- Young guy in an actual romantic relationship with his sister (sadly quite rare)
- Older guy falling in love with his daughter, usually after not seeing her for a long time or even never (quite common and probably my personal favorite)
- Older guy looking for a harem consisting of his daughters and her friends (quite common, especially in the games+ category)

- second is my faw. And it is indeed way too rare.

Or the same from the female perspective:
- Young girl perving on her father/mother and brothers/sisters (never seen that one although it could be fun in my opinion, there are a few where the young female protagonist gets into a sexual relationship with her mother)
- Young girl in an actual romantic relationship with her brother/sister (sadly also quite rare)
- Older woman falling in love with her son/daughter, usually after not seeing her for a long time or even never (never seen that one)
- Older woman looking for fun with her son/daughter as well as others (the AWAM version).

- well, that the point. You actually never see those. Outside of some kinetic "lets fuck daddy" quick fap shorts. 1st - never seen. 2nd - never seen. 3rd - unless you count AWAMlikes never seen. 4th - i would not count AWAM to be exactly that type of scenario, as in its heart it still a corruption game. Just slowburn and better written one. Female characters need to make fall in those types of stories. You first grind trough points and than get a reward. Male characters are the agressors, female - victims. Exceptions exist. But they are fewer and look as artificial as any other "they suddenly decided to fuck with eachother" types of stories.

Basically the main difference is that the prevalence of each category differs between male and female MC. And also that male MC is far more common to begin with.

And another difference is that for female MC games, lesbian/bi is almost a must, where gay/bi is very rare for male MC games.

- my point is that, its not actually female perspective per se. It is still male perspective just trough female eyes. FMC's are essentially just stuck in porn novel for males.

What I like about Her Desire compared to AWAM, is actually that the MC does not need to be "corrupted", she just does what she (the player) wants. Arguably this is more realistic, the protagonist is not a shy virgin: she had a few kids, a job, responsibilities etc. Also, arguably, the MC of AWAM turns out more slutty than the one of Her Desire. And Her Desire focusses more on the incest and less on the side stories.

- well, thats because MC of Her Desire exists just to show you hot pictures, as i said previously it is just quickened and simplified AWAM. Choices there just essentially shut off some scenes and that it. I dissagree that it more realistic, simply for the reasons that AWAM bothers to make some kind of story line. Her Desire isnt. No hate towards game ( as i fap to both ) but in terms of quality AWAM is all around better experience to me. Her Desire is very straightforward in its content.

Big Brother is indeed one of the defining games of the genre, but that does not mean it's not stereotypical. Even if something is new, the MC is quite flat, and doesn't have the depth needed to make it non-stereotypical.
And I do feel that Eric should probably have been the real MC.

- stereotypes/tropes need to start somewhere. I draw the line at OG's. Its just my personal view on categorization. Disagree about Eric. He is great antagonist. IMO Big Brotherlike game with less grindy and more refined gameplay were you could compete against fornicator that wants to steal your wifus would be great. Maybe even with routes were MC and antagonist cooperate instead of being rivals. But considering how people tyically react to even hint of what they call NTR ( and it isnt NTR ), i doubt we ever see game like that. Also dissagree about MC being flat... that the whole point. MC in Big Brother is your avatar, he doesnt need his character, you are his character. BB was not a story driven game, so some deeper characterizations arent needed. IMO.

I think the key to avoiding the whore/victim trap, is to give the main character agency, and to keep the "slutty" events fairly low-key.
For example, in Her Desire, the MC and her friends have a party where there is a male stripper. The MC can go all the way with him, but she can also stop halfway, or not participate at all. And doing something with a male stripper (especially something else than full sex) is slutty but it's not completely outrageous either (assuming the husband is fine with it).
Compare that with either the blackmail storyline in AWAM, or the private tuition storyline in AWAM, both are more slutty, more outrageous and (in the blackmail storyline) there is less agency.

- i do agree, but this would require effort. No one wants that. AWAM was hounded for years for its slowburn development, hence why for example multyple parodies of that game appeared. One of them even developed in its own game - Motel: a Son and Brother Story.
I think main "problems"( quotation marks! ) of FMC games is story/writing and structure. Hence as example i used Good Girl Gone Bad, you as Ash have full controll of her actions and could turn and shape her story however you want. So even when Ash turns to whore/slut she stays in control always. In other games its always - victim-victim-victim-slut acceptance-culmination. Her Desire just omits victim part and jumps straight to slutty action. As for the structure... this is a problem of pretty much all porn games. Only a handfull of devs dare not to follow established formula and do their own thing. Majority of rest reuse same mold, just with sprinkes of different spices.

TLDR: were are my incest Otome games?!

 

[goregames]

Fixed the crashing (I think) for Android users.

 

[Gametimer]

Fixed the crashing (I think) for Android users.

You did! Thanks for taking care of this.

 

[Laszaka]

Trying this one out... not much to see from the screenshots, not sure what I'm expecting^^

 

[TheHyper]

About this release: very short I expected more, we don't have an explicit scene, I feel like it will be a great TV soap opera, I don't know if that's exactly what the male audience is looking for, I'll wait for the next ones to judge better, but today, I don't feel the need or curiosity for the next episode.

 

[Laszaka]

Do i need to play the other games of DEV or aren't they tight related?

 

[goregames]

About this release: very short I expected more, we don't have an explicit scene, I feel like it will be a great TV soap opera, I don't know if that's exactly what the male audience is looking for, I'll wait for the next ones to judge better, but today, I don't feel the need or curiosity for the next episode.

It's a prologue, introducing you to some of the main characters and only Part I of Chapter I.

 

[goregames]

Do i need to play the other games of DEV or aren't they tight related?

My games aren't very linked (intertwining with each-other) they have their own storyline/with different characters.

Rayne's Reign, Rayne's Reign: The Beginning and Alyssa's Ascension are connected.

 

[Laszaka]

My games aren't very linked (intertwining with each-other) they have their own storyline/with different characters.

Rayne's Reign, Rayne's Reign: The Beginning and Alyssa's Ascension are connected.

Thanks for the explanation