So if game has zombie setting and you have family of survivors, they are all the same standard game? In that case, you forgot to mention Now and Then.
- i did not forget anything. Now and then is about a guy that bangs his adoptive daughter and than bangs all other women if he wants so. But even if i "forgot" something, i dont see how it is relevant to what i said.
Kindread Redburns barely got off the ground in terms of its plot, we just saw other survivors before it got abandoned(we got zero worldbuilding). Oh, we actually had dynamic where mother tries to stop kids from fucking each other and control the situation, but that went different direction pretty fast in Deadmoon(mother is a bit sluttier). Besides the starting conditions(and even those had had some twist if you see 0.9 and see the glimpse into group's history), it definitely stands on its own merits just in writing the setting.
- Redburns ended pretty much in same point as Dead Moon - MC started anally banging his sis. "Plot" of porn games is... well... it serves a certain point, that point is - fap. Im sorry, but im not going to seriously discuss plot of a game were a guy starts banging his mom and sis in the middle of apocalypse. I pointed out obvious thing - Deadmoon isnt original in its story, and frankly most of its "story" is lifted from a previous title.
How is that less in your opinion, than same old stuff with "dad is dead/asshole, son comes back to his house full of hot family members, harem ensues" or "wife died/ex-wife cheated, dad and daughter(s) live together and became romantically involved, because he is so kind and has big dick, and every other male character in the game is a creep"?
- i said nothing about it being "less", i just asked not to trash other games while presenting DS as something "oh so special". Specifically DMD.
Zombie's Retreat had almost zero incest writing, you just farmed love points and did fetch quests and they were dtf no questions asked. They might as well be roomies and landlady with long-standing relationships. Overall, writing is barely-present here, but main draw of that game was art and gameplay.
- it has mom, sis, aunt and cousin. And a guy that bangs them in the middle of apocalypse. Main draw or not, it has same story premise as DS. And as far as im concerned - its absolutely on par in regards with "i" writing with Deadmoon. In the end guy puts his Pipi in moms Vj and everyone has a great time. The "story" isnt a main attraction in any of mentioned titles.
As for DMD... Sorry, having [completed] tag doesn't equal 'legendary' for me(and it took how many years to finish? Don't tell me there was no milking involved, unlike the games you disregarded earlier).
- bro, you just fanboying over half abandoned kinetic incest porn VN, you do realize that? And your opinion has zero value on the subject matter, sorry, nothing will change fact that DMD is one of the pioneer incest themed AVN's, that DMD is fully realized product, that Mr.Dots at this point is making his 4th AVN which will be his third "i" themed AVN and that he will probably successfully finish it. All the while DS most probably will never be even finished. All of that are hard facts.
Also, buddy, i did not disregarder anything. I just pointed thing that should be obvious for anyone with functioning brain. If you think that me asking not to trash DMD is somehow disregarding DS... well... i have bad news for you, buddy - you are and immature fanboy.
I actually do try to read books in my spare time, so I require a bit more character development and overarching plot to call some VN 'legend'.
- what books, bro? Books about "his red headed warrior entered her moisty cave"? You do realize how ridiculous in the context of discussion this even sounds? "Duh, DMD bad - cardbard cutout dad character, DS good - boy bangs his mom and sis during zombie apocalypse". I love good writing! Yes, yes!".
You could replace 'dad' in DMD with cardboard cutout with recorded stock lines in dialogues , and no one would've noticed. That's what I call trash writing. But clearly we are different target audience(though if we are talking about pioneers of incest genre, DMD did absolutely nothing new besides quality animations, and maybe sharing, but was quickly overtook in every aspect once the trend got traction) ,so it would be pointless exercise to argue with you on its merits or lack thereof.
- you just described 99.9% of the porn, congratulations... i guess. Next step would be to realise, that in porn characters are written like that exactly to serve as vessel for a reader/watcher/player to put themselves in place of MC. There are reason why in many japanese AVN's MC literally has no face, because he is just a vessel for a player to immerse himself in this world of sexual debauchery.
In the end, I'm just bemoaning the overall state of the industry(if you can even call it that. 20 years in, and we are still nowhere close to japanese market in terms of proper story-heavy adult VNs) by dumping on prominent winners of popularity contest , nothing personal against you or people who like those games . Looks like great writing isn't really valued in this medium, just pretty renders.
I guess i should be happy at least one western adult VN with good world building is soon to be completed - Superhuman.
- nah, in the end you are just have no idea what you talking about. Like literally on any point all you did was just a subjective whining. And if you actually read any actual literature, instead of some cheap billteristcs and pot boilers, you would not have posted nonsense like that. Sorry, but even the best written AVN's, be they japanese or non-japanese, in the end are just stories about fucking, were protagonist serves only one and only function - vessel for consumer.