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My issues with incest games nowadays:

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So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?
Not exactly on topic of incest, though this project might have an option for it if it ever goes through. I had ideas for an open world dating sim that was just as much an actual game as it was a way to get your rocks off. Dating would be handled more realistically. You work up a relationship with a girl. You can cheat on her but you have to avoid being caught. If you want more than one girlfriend willing to share you, you have to work towards settling them into that idea. You could pork everyone in town, but realistically you'd need to have multiple save runs with different runs for that.

Rather than just fucking everything that moves without consequence you'd have a fleshed out story with fleshed out characters. To solve the issue of having to do new saves from the start there are magic items you can find throughout the game and a means of carrying those items over between saves by talking to a character I have planned.

I still have a lot to learn though and this game is a long ways away if it ever happens.
 
) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

1. I've played several where neither was true, especially the horse dick. But mostly this is true. I actually prefer games where the MC's face is not even shown unless the MC is a female, which happens too, and is it's own sort of hot as a second playthrough. Not sure all the girls throw themselves at him, in some cases they have to be lured, enticed, preferably romanced. In a modern world this is probably best anyway as girls then join the me too movement if they are not the ones who initiate even a handshake.

2. Complaint 2 is invalid in reference to the topic title, as a fatherless family that the MC steps in to fill all their voids makes it not incest. Unless the fatherless family is busy fucking each other?

3. I prefer the 3rd sister who is smart, clever, thinks for herself, and is a challenge but also you are also a challenge to her. you know...like normal relationships? :p

4. Ehh...not true. I have the opposite problem. yes, some games are very quick to begin the sexual encounters, i'll give you that, however, the absurd incremental sexual encounters that must follow the same script of: handjob, footjob, boobjob, (if there are boobs) then blow job, then oral with the girl, first with fingers then 14 months and 3 updates later you go down on her, then anal, because we all know that's just gotten be done, and when done...it's first because deflowering is another level of taboo beyond the already taboo of the game..?? WTF? and finally, assuming the game is ever finished at all, we get intercourse...that is not the way it works in any reality I've been a part of. Maybe it only works that way when it's incest? *shrug*

5. I'll double down on this. Not only do I agree 100%, but we must always fuck the adults first, and definitely the ones with giant boobs and ass, before going after the teems/loli's. On some level I get it? adults are adults and they are more inclined to just have quick meaningless sex, but these game devs seem not to consider their audience at all here. The more girls that get introduced the less time there is to devote to each existing girl, and the more watered down the story gets, the more complex it gets for the developer, and less likely the game will ever get finished. waiting 2 years for a scene with your favorite girl is a bit absurd...keep it simple stupid. Less is more, less is easier, faster, and we don't need 20 girls with 5 minutes of screen time each. I will say though, that I have played a few if these games that the MC does not fuck everyone...though the thought of them making me fuck the phat old hairdresser has worried me on several occasions now... :p

6. Okay...you have a point, if you are going to include all the adults of various ages, and to some extent the loli's as they do have different bodies irl as well. most are cute as fuck, so the looks thing...meh. my complaint is that they often have cookie cutter mouths or smiles. But there is usually a fair bit of variety in body types. and no loli, even teens, should have sagging boobs unless they are huge, which is rare. So now we get to it...older women in these games with not so great, often a bit overweight, bodies, isn't going to sell or gain new fans. There is such a thing as overdoing realism here. To me, when I play these, the girl behind the overly troped clothing store counter is often not that great to look at. maybe your picking the wrong games? because I'm often feeling like, "please don't make me fuck this one!"
 
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There is no point to begin with... all he does is talk about how great lez is... 🤷‍♂️
Either you forgot an s or you insulted me here.
I only care about lesbian content because i am lesbian myself. Dicks ruin games, incest, lifes, the world, ...
 
There is no point to begin with... all he does is talk about how great lez is... 🤷‍♂️
*she (alleged 🙃)
And I know, I was just having a bit of fun because removing jobs you have to wait for is making it worse (unless you get a quick munch?)
 
So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?
These are all fair criticism to make. But my biggest gripe is when they advertise a game, show, manga, etc. as incest and then you find out the characters are just step-siblings. Like bitch, stop being a pussy and give us an incest story with REAL incest.
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So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:
1) MC is a handsome chap with a horsecock and girls throw themselves at him after some time.
2) The family is fatherless and the MC establishes himself as the man of the house so now every female member must fuck him.
3) There's a doting mother, one nice sister who loves the MC and a mean bitchy sister who's cold/hostile towards him but becomes his bitch later nonetheless.
4) The progress from conversation to teasing to full blown sex is too quick. Often there's no paying any heed to the taboo nature of the relationship.
5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.
6) doll bodies: every girl/woman has a downright supermodel/pornstar body and face. The tits don't droop even when braless! The skin is perfect without any blemishes and what not. No imperfections of any kind.

Is it too much to ask for something new?
Nr 4 is spot on. Its like these devs dont understand the kink themselves - they just make these games because the tag is popular. They will slap the title of brother/sister/mother on the characters and then they think thats enough.
 
These are all fair criticism to make. But my biggest gripe is when they advertise a game, show, manga, etc. as incest and then you find out the characters are just step-siblings. Like bitch, stop being a pussy and give us an incest story with REAL incest.
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Yes, Yes, Yes. Only pussies cop-out with that "They're not actually related" shit.
 
Yes, Yes, Yes. Only pussies cop-out with that "They're not actually related" shit.
Pretty sure Patreon still considers that incest, so what's the point?
 

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So incest games mostly follow these tropes and I'm bored of them:

5) too many love interests. The MC must fuck every female character in sight. Mom's best friend? Fucked. Best friend's mom? Fucked. Sister's friends? Fucked. Sexy nurse/Doctor? Fucked. Female cop? Fucked. Maid? Fucked. The girl at the coffee shop? Fucked. None shall be spared.

Is it too much to ask for something new?

This is based on how you play. My first VN was Sisterly Lust. First play through, did not get a single family member. Got a walk through, got them all. Fell in love with Bella, did another walkthrough where she was the only one. This was by far my favorite route. Played again, got some of them pregnant, then went full on to get as large a harem as I could with as many of them pregnant as possible. Did a couple runs with just a couple of the girls, but again, went back to a Bella only route. Just because there are LI, doesn't mean you have to do them. I'm not a fan of games that you have to have sex with certain characters to advance the story line. Sometimes, I just don't like that character. I don't want to talk to them, date, touch, or have sex with. It should be my choice.
 
Games often try to cover all the RI archetypes. Sweet, bitchy, submissive, dominant, and so on. So you end up creating a harem. When doing a family, that means a crazy number of relatives who are shockingly close in age and a race to bang each one. Everything seems rushed. Say you have 20 scenes. With two RIs, that's 10 scenes each to progress the relationship. Still fast. Now do that with 5 RIs, and you only have 4 scenes each. My advice is to pick the archetypes you really want, merge them into one or two characters in a family that seems reasonable in size, work out how these archetypes could coexist in the same person and write it that way, and then use the time to come up with something plausible.
 
Its a luxury problem, once you have enough of something good, you want something just that wee bit different expecting that to be a bit better.
Or in other words a market problem, people want whats familiar untill the familiar becomes bland, then they want variance.
Therefore, minor variances in tropes and drivers are always appreciated.
I can't remember if this is actually a game, but imagine a situation where a wealthy father becomes more or less insane in his latter days and changes his will to empower his son (MC), forcing the rest of the family to submit to MC, who becomes Man of the House by decree and finance. Ofcourse 'mom' is a bombshell golddigger, sisters are probably pampered beyond belief and have been allowed to develop very distinct personalities (meaning free pick amongst personality types for the dev), then you could have staff, all those sexy maids whom the late father had employed because he was worried that MC was gay and wanted to kickstart his offsprings heterosexuality. Add to that a setting that would legitimize a closed environment, meaning that the house stays closed from outside interference (morals or law), and the situation could pretty much devolve into the standard harem-fuckfest. Nevermind any lovepaths, besides various girls vying for MCs graces and MC is the sole granter of money or freedom(s). MC need not have a horsecock, and need not be handsome, etc etc. - Sorry went off on a tangent.

What I'm saying is, there are soo many tropes to pick from and creating a plausible narrative, while still deviating from the wine-induced seduction of mom, horsecock Adonis MC, perfect sisters is quite doable - but as Augustus mentioned, alot of people like the familiar, so its a gamble on wether you can find subscribers for your project.
 
Pretty sure Patreon still considers that incest, so what's the point?
The point is don't do incest is you're not willing to actually do said content. If you ask me more the fault is on those that will still support such a spineless approach to the content. It's not a problem limited to Patreon.
 
2. Complaint 2 is invalid in reference to the topic title, as a fatherless family that the MC steps in to fill all their voids makes it not incest. Unless the fatherless family is busy fucking each other?
I think he means the many games where the MC's father has died/run off, leaving him with his mother and sisters. The MC will win over his family by proving that he can take care of them and fill his father's shoes (and bed), typically by solving some fairly trivial problem, getting ahold of a not-that-significant amount of cash, or maybe beating someone up; almost inevitably at some point someone will drop the line "you're/I'm the man of the house now" nearly verbatim.
 
Well it's simple. Devs won't fix what isn't broke. The majority of subscribers want even more of this shit structure (coz they are horny, dumb, high school boys) so that's what we will get. And it's easier to just copy Big Brother than to make something original
 
I think the main issue is that there isnt any build up to the family love, including extra's, even as a power fantasy it just becomes to easy at times..... that why I like LomL the pacing and story to explain the characters, plus looking extremely original wins the day for me!
 
for better or worse incest is the most mainstream of the social-taboos in porn and it comes with its own downsides
 
Games with actual game mechanics are ok but a lot of visual novels with obvious choices making this genre easy money for mediocre developers.
Choices are hard. Imagine you have 100 scenes in your story. Halfway through, you inject a choice for Path A or Path B. Now your story has 75 scenes - 50 + 25A or 50 + 25B. Each choice makes your story shorter, or generates 2x the work to restore the length.

There are lots of ways to handle this, but this is a fundamental quality of CYOA structures. If you divert for 10 scenes then reconnect, for example, you've restores some of the original length, but now the choice seems less impactful.

Personally, I prefer gates to choices. You can't proceed until you've meet some condition (certain events have happened, you have sufficient love points, whatever). The choices keep you in the chapter you're in and you figure out how to satisfy the condition by making the right choices. Then you move through the gate. There is only one story to write, but the game is figuring out how to unlock each segment.
 
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