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it isn't most the harem rote has more the OS's gf is the only one not avoidable the mom fucking her bf is people have the choice to see those or not I understand some people see that differently it's fine we've just been attacked bu trolls for years saying we are liars and ruining our games we had enough so we are being aggressive because they made us that way I know it isn't good and we apologize
Trust must be earned, actions speak louder than words, and the loading screen image you've chosen to display (the unavoidable image of the mom with another dude's cock cumming in her) destroys any trust you might have built with a 'no NTR' toggle. That's why I included "imagery" in my comments. Loading and opening menu screen images demonstrate your game's intent and focus.
If you want to make NTR games, just make NTR games. No matter how much you feel you've been attacked by trolls, harping on "technically not NTR" has literally NEVER made anyone look like anything but an NTR fan trying to justify sneaking NTR-adjacent content into something not labeled as NTR.
Oh, and an edit: As has been said before, you did earn some of the response you've gotten by rebooting a harem game and turning it into an NTR game.
An unrelated question: Who do you intend to appeal to with this game, long-term?
If you intend to appeal to NTR fans, there is no point in pussyfooting around the NTR, nor is there any point in adding a harem route at all. Harem fans will not want to play it.
If you intend to appeal to harem fans, well, that won't happen given the content already in the game. Appealing to harem fans involves not having other people fucking LIs during the game, no matter whether they have a pre-existing relationship or not, and not implying, suggesting, or even allowing the assumption that other people are fucking LIs without rejecting that possibility.
If you don't intend to appeal to either of these groups, I'd recommend picking a focus and focusing on that.
Trust must be earned, actions speak louder than words, and the loading screen image you've chosen to display (the unavoidable image of the mom with another dude's cock cumming in her) destroys any trust you might have built with a 'no NTR' toggle. That's why I included "imagery" in my comments. Loading and opening menu screen images demonstrate your game's intent and focus.
If you want to make NTR games, just make NTR games. No matter how much you feel you've been attacked by trolls, harping on "technically not NTR" has literally NEVER made anyone look like anything but an NTR fan trying to justify sneaking NTR-adjacent content into something not labeled as NTR.
Oh, and an edit: As has been said before, you did earn some of the response you've gotten by rebooting a harem game and turning it into an NTR game.
for everyone I just want to apologize for my behavior lately we are very sensitive right now regarding trolling and opinions you can have opinions it's just like I've been saying we've been attacked for years about ntr and how the characters look people have been calling us liars and saying the characters look like Golem (from lord of the rings) and saying they are from a horror movie and posting expressions of the girls I just want to say sorry I don't want to be known as an asshole dev censoring people
I just played the game for a good while, since I hadn't for a couple of updates. I don't think I've ever seen another game change so drastically between each update lol. But anyway I turned off NTR just to see how the game played out that way.
I see it's already been discussed and agreed upon, but yes, that loading screen should definitely go.
This is something that people are going to differ and disagree on, and that's fine. To each their own. But just for clarity: I'm one of the players in the camp of "other chicks don't count", and the same goes for futas with me. I just don't get the same NTR-feels from them as I do from other male characters. I actually find lesbian/bisexual chick content to be very hot. Different strokes for different folks I guess. So the gf being there for a while doesn't bother me. Though I do personally strongly prefer "full package" tgirls/dickgirls, with just a dick, balls, and an asshole, and strongly dislike the hermaphroditic kind. But I can deal with it so far.
I'll just say now that even after keeping the influence as high as possible the NTR "vibes" involving the boyfriend are still extremely aggressive, even with NTR turned off. It's no surprise whatsoever to me that so many people are taking such strong issue with it. And I think the game would be better off for it if that aspect was either removed, reworked, or at the very least; toned down quite a bit for the non-NTR route. Preferably to the point where the mom and her bf can be prevented from hooking up at all. Or at least have her dialogue, facial expressions, body language, positioning, and behavior with him (and his friends for that matter) not just scream cuck vibes so intensly.
Also I do think that the grind could be toned down a bit, and that the game could really use some kind of replay/gallery feature.
On a more postive note though, I do want to also interject here and say that I actually really like the exaggerated bimbo body types and slutty faces. I think it gives the game a unique style, and it's one that I like.
I'm going to discuss some spoilers here for the sake of feedback:
So at least on the "non-NTR path" after advancing the story for a while the game drastically changes and basically transitions more-or-less into what Cumming Home was. It really needs to be touched up a lot more here with the writing though because the girls, or at least the mom, are acting too much like they have amnesia or something and that the events at the old house just never happened. Not completely, but enough to where it seems inconsistent and confusing. The mom's sucked his cock, been assfucked, even implied via dialogue that she wants dibs on getting knocked up by the MC first. And then in the next story location she's backtracked by a great deal. Like even her inner monologues suggest that she's just forgotten how much her and the MC have already done together.
Speaking of what was once the Cumming Home content though: I was personally SOOO glad to see that it was in fact, still intact. The showers scene(s) with the aunt really stood out to me back in the day and I thought they were and still are hot as fuck. One of the big reasons that I was actually upset with the direction change before was because I thought that all the content with the aunt, and the mom and aunt, etc. had just been removed. So that was a very pleasant surprise for me. I hope the aunt is also still fucking her daughter, because to me that's super hot, but I digress.
Anyway that's my 2 cents on the matter. The game isn't a lost cause for me or anything, but it could definitely use some further tweaking and refinement on the non-NTR route (imo), to at least tone it down a good deal more.
I never meant to look like a troll and i am a fan of your other games. I think people got upset or felt betrayed that you took Cumming Home and changed it into this game. You will never get away from people complaining about ntr , i don't think other chicks count as ntr at all and only view it as ntr when it involves other men, which is how usually the harem crowd views it, however the ones that complain are often the ones that like the game or used to like the game but usually find mechanics in it frustrating aswell as finding scenes they don't want into the game.
I recommend that you just scratch the whole idea about having unavoidable ntr and just go ntr with this game and perhaps make another game from stratch similar to this that is harem focused with similar art style but that has no connection with this one and that hasen't got any ntr at all and never will have and perhapns with a different character design.
I say this because your game in its current state is only appealing to the ntr crowd, i doubt you will gather any new none ntr fans with this game at all unless you make drastic changes to the games non-Ntr route.
I never meant to look like a troll and i am a fan of your other games. I think people got upset or felt betrayed that you took Cumming Home and changed it into this game. You will never get away from people complaining about ntr , i don't think other chicks count as ntr at all and only view it as ntr when it involves other men, which is how usually the harem crowd views it, however the ones that complain are often the ones that like the game or used to like the game but usually find mechanics in it frustrating aswell as finding scenes they don't want into the game.
I recommend that you just scratch the whole idea about having unavoidable ntr and just go ntr with this game and perhaps make another game from stratch similar to this that is harem focused with similar art style but that has no connection with this one and that hasen't got any ntr at all and never will have and perhapns with a different character design.
I say this because your game in its current state is only appealing to the ntr crowd, i doubt you will gather any new none ntr fans with this game at all unless you make drastic changes to the games non-Ntr route.
You have made your game into something only an ntr fan would enjoy and an non-ntr fan would avoid.
Having the mom and other family members with bbc are the example of why it is only appealing to ntr fans, you can't have that at
all if you want to appeal to non-ntr fans at all. You can never pitch the idea of family members with other men with a person that dosen't like ntr like you have done currently in the game, even if that happens behind closed doors or whatever, pre-existing or not it dosen't matter, you can't the men from the ntr route in the none- ntr route, you will only get backlash from that. That is why i say your game in its current state is only appealing to the ntr crowd and you need to drastically chnage the game if you want to appeal to the non-ntr crowd
You have made your game into something only an ntr fan would enjoy and an non-ntr fan would avoid.
Having the mom and other family members with bbc are the example of why it is only appealing to ntr fans, you can't have that at
all if you want to appeal to non-ntr fans at all. You can never pitch the idea of family members with other men with a person that dosen't like ntr like you have done currently in the game, even if that happens behind closed doors or whatever, pre-existing or not it dosen't matter, you can't the men from the ntr route in the none- ntr route, you will only get backlash from that. That is why i say your game in its current state is only appealing to the ntr crowd and you need to drastically chnage the game if you want to appeal to the non-ntr crowd
they are being corrupted mentally the girls were never touched and if you play the harem route you take the sister's virginity
so far you are the only one complaining
But that doesn't mean it will appeal to harem fans, either. For the vast majority of fans of harem content, the only acceptable number of 'ntr-adjacent' scenes (i.e. scenes of other people fucking the MC's LIs without his active participation, and usually as the sole dick in the scene) is ZERO. Harem fans, as a nearly-universal rule, do not want to see their LIs fucking anyone else, whether it's before they end up with those LIs or not (they also don't want to hear about past conquests from their LIs, or have it implied that the LIs are fucking someone else during the game). Some harem fans even extend this to include even scenes with other people while the MC is participating in the same scene, which is why most harem games make those types of scenes optional/avoidable (as in, if the player opts out of those scenes, they do not happen, they are not implied to happen, and there is no dialogue suggesting they might happen).
This also means any scenes where NTR is implied (several people have given examples above that show up even with the NTR toggle off) similarly alienate harem fans.
"But what about people already in relationships" - doesn't matter. Most people are aware that not all LIs will be virgins. Most people are aware that characters in relationships are probably having sex. A good harem game just doesn't show it, talk about it, or imply it. In fact, in most successful harem games where there's some netori going on, the main narrative theme is specifically that the woman being stolen is not happy in the relationship, and her needs have not been met for a long time (since well before the start of the game, usually).
"But it's not realistic" - doesn't matter. None of these games are anywhere remotely close to realistic, and this is a worthless copout used almost exclusively by people justifying having other people fucking the MC's LIs.
Your comment about "there are more harem scenes" doesn't matter, either, because the people who might like those scenes will never see them due to the aforementioned scenes of other dicks in the game's LIs. That loading screen alone likely drove most of the people who might like those scenes away, because it was so in-your-face.
People have said, time, time, and time again, that devs should focus on NTR or harem, not both, and this is why. In general, you cannot meaningfully include both and still please fans of either.
I just played the game for a good while, since I hadn't for a couple of updates. I don't think I've ever seen another game change so drastically between each update lol. But anyway I turned off NTR just to see how the game played out that way.
I see it's already been discussed and agreed upon, but yes, that loading screen should definitely go.
This is something that people are going to differ and disagree on, and that's fine. To each their own. But just for clarity: I'm one of the players in the camp of "other chicks don't count", and the same goes for futas with me. I just don't get the same NTR-feels from them as I do from other male characters. I actually find lesbian/bisexual chick content to be very hot. Different strokes for different folks I guess. So the gf being there for a while doesn't bother me. Though I do personally strongly prefer "full package" tgirls/dickgirls, with just a dick, balls, and an asshole, and strongly dislike the hermaphroditic kind. But I can deal with it so far.
I'll just say now that even after keeping the influence as high as possible the NTR "vibes" involving the boyfriend are still extremely aggressive, even with NTR turned off. It's no surprise whatsoever to me that so many people are taking such strong issue with it. And I think the game would be better off for it if that aspect was either removed, reworked, or at the very least; toned down quite a bit for the non-NTR route. Preferably to the point where the mom and her bf can be prevented from hooking up at all. Or at least have her dialogue, facial expressions, body language, positioning, and behavior with him (and his friends for that matter) not just scream cuck vibes so intensly.
Also I do think that the grind could be toned down a bit, and that the game could really use some kind of replay/gallery feature.
On a more postive note though, I do want to also interject here and say that I actually really like the exaggerated bimbo body types and slutty faces. I think it gives the game a unique style, and it's one that I like.
I'm going to discuss some spoilers here for the sake of feedback:
So at least on the "non-NTR path" after advancing the story for a while the game drastically changes and basically transitions more-or-less into what Cumming Home was. It really needs to be touched up a lot more here with the writing though because the girls, or at least the mom, are acting too much like they have amnesia or something and that the events at the old house just never happened. Not completely, but enough to where it seems inconsistent and confusing. The mom's sucked his cock, been assfucked, even implied via dialogue that she wants dibs on getting knocked up by the MC first. And then in the next story location she's backtracked by a great deal. Like even her inner monologues suggest that she's just forgotten how much her and the MC have already done together.
Speaking of what was once the Cumming Home content though: I was personally SOOO glad to see that it was in fact, still intact. The showers scene(s) with the aunt really stood out to me back in the day and I thought they were and still are hot as fuck. One of the big reasons that I was actually upset with the direction change before was because I thought that all the content with the aunt, and the mom and aunt, etc. had just been removed. So that was a very pleasant surprise for me. I hope the aunt is also still fucking her daughter, because to me that's super hot, but I digress.
Anyway that's my 2 cents on the matter. The game isn't a lost cause for me or anything, but it could definitely use some further tweaking and refinement on the non-NTR route (imo), to at least tone it down a good deal more.
Strictly speaking there is no NTR in the game if you turn it off. There is no hint anywhere that it happens secretly. The behavior of the family clearly contradicts that (masturbation etc). Only some lounge scenes are not consequently designed and can mislead some people.
My guess is the the dev forgot to design different image sets (only 2 or three) for the non - NTR route and then address them correctly.
Now let's please bury this NTR shit once and for all, this horse has been beaten to death on F95 already.
Regarding your Futa remark, i wholeheartedly agree.
But that doesn't mean it will appeal to harem fans, either. For the vast majority of fans of harem content, the only acceptable number of 'ntr-adjacent' scenes (i.e. scenes of other people fucking the MC's LIs without his participation) is ZERO. Harem fans, as a nearly-universal rule, do not want to see their LIs fucking anyone else, whether it's before they end up with those LIs or not. Some harem fans even extend this to include even scenes with other people while the MC is participating in the same scene, which is why most harem games make those types of scenes optional/avoidable (as in, if the player opts out of those scenes, they do not happen, they are not implied to happen, and there is no dialogue suggesting they might happen).
This also means any scenes where NTR is implied (several people have given examples above that show up even with the NTR toggle off) similarly alienate harem fans.
"But what about people already in relationships" - doesn't matter. Most people are aware that not all LIs will be virgins. Most people are aware that characters in relationships are probably having sex. A good harem game just doesn't show it, talk about it, or imply it. In fact, in most successful harem games where there's some netori going on, the main narrative theme is specifically that the woman being stolen is not happy in the relationship, and her needs have not been met for a long time (since well before the start of the game, usually).
"But it's not realistic" - doesn't matter. None of these games are realistic, and this is a worthless copout used almost exclusively by people justifying having other people fucking the MC's LIs.
Your comment about "there are more harem scenes" doesn't matter, either, because the people who might like those scenes will never see them due to the aforementioned scenes of other dicks in the game's LIs. That loading screen alone likely drove most of the people who might like those scenes away, because it was so in-your-face.
People have said, time, time, and time again, that devs should focus on NTR or harem, not both, and this is why. In general, you cannot meaningfully include both and still please fans of either.
we've always asked for opinions and made a poll on discord the harem fans on there liked the remake there were some that hated it at the start but grew to enjoy it
Strictly speaking there is no NTR in the game if you turn it off. There is no hint anywhere that it happens secretly. The behavior of the family clearly contradicts that (masturbation etc). Only some lounge scenes are not consequently designed and can mislead some people.
My guess is the the dev forgot to design different image sets (only 2 or three) for the non - NTR route and then address them correctly.
Now let's please bury this NTR shit once and for all, this horse has been beaten to death on F95 already.
Regarding your Futa remark, i wholeheartedly agree.
we've always asked for opinions and made a poll on discord the harem fans on there liked the remake there were some that hated it at the start but grew to enjoy it
Obviously it's up to you how you make the game... But outside of your Discord, which is self-selected to include almost exclusively fans of your game, you will hear different opinions, like you have here.
As a note, your preview pictures in the thread are also a pretty big turnoff for most harem fans, given the high proportion of them that depict other people fucking the LIs.
Obviously it's up to you how you make the game... But outside of your Discord, which is self-selected to include almost exclusively fans of your game, you will hear different opinions, like you have here.
As a note, your preview pictures in the thread are also a pretty big turnoff for most harem fans, given the high proportion of them that depict other people fucking the LIs.
I understand I do try to go to these places to have a look but I keep seeing trolls and people saying terrible things about the models I just get off the sites and not get on for a few days and what previews do you mean if you are talking about ntr stuff those get posted into a locked channel that you can only get access to if you ask for it
I understand I do try to go to these places to have a look but I keep seeing trolls and people saying terrible things about the models I just get off the sites and not get on for a few days and what previews do you mean if you are talking about ntr stuff those get posted into a locked channel that you can only get access to if you ask for it
Not sure this isn't a misunderstanding. What i addressed were the lounge scenes with Mom and Deon. If you thought it's about sister and Unique, this is not what i meant. To me this is not NTR, far from it.
Not sure this isn't a misunderstanding. What i addressed were the lounge scenes with Mom and Deon. If you thought it's about sister and Unique, this is not what i meant. To me this is not NTR, far from it.
oh yeah those I included them so ntr lovers know what the scenes look like I'll remove them
I personally don't see Unique fucking OS as ntr they are both lis
Imho this is at least a big part of the issue: Different people are going to look at things differently (stating the obvious, I know lol). But in my mind, to a harem fan, having even that much NTR suggestiveness is enough to ruin the entire experience for them. This may be a dumb analogy, but it's off the cuff and I'm still waking up lol, but hopefully you'll get my point anyway: Imagine there's a delicious-looking pie and you'd love to eat it. But then you notice that right on the surface of it there's a small glop of feces. Some people might say "Well just cut around it and eat the rest." But others are going to be so repulsed by it that the entire pie is now completely ruined for them. NTR is like feces for the people who hate it.
Not that I'm trying to beat a dead horse by giving my own feedback on the issue, I'm just a bit late to the party. But I do want to say that I agree and that the lounge scenes with Deon and the gang (specifically how the mom behaves with them, even when not on the NTR-route) that you're mentioning are definitely the biggest source of and contributes the most towards the issue.
Not sure this isn't a misunderstanding. What i addressed were the lounge scenes with Mom and Deon. If you thought it's about sister and Unique, this is not what i meant. To me this is not NTR, far from it.
Yes, this. I know that "futa doesn't count" isn't the case with some people, which is fair of course. But it is with me, so my own feedback is that her being there, at least at first, is fine. Since the non-NTR route is supposed to be a harem route though, I do think it would be important for either the OS to eventually leave her for the MC, or, optionally have them both become the MC's girlfriends. That is if you felt like making optional futa content for the people who'd be down for it. But currently, as I said before, I'm mostly fine with her as is. My only thing is that I really don't like the "futas" that are hermaphroditic. I'd much rather her just be a tgirl/dickgirl. But that's just a personal preference thing.
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Now, I'm probably going to get Facepalmed by both sides for this lol. But I'm just going to put a possible slight revamp thought out there for discussion and consideration in the interest of at least trying to potentially find some middle-ground.
I get that Deon and the gang are the source of danger and the antagonist(s) that the MC has to cockblock so that he can claim the girls for his own, and that that's a part of the premise. And the lounge scenes involving them and the mom seem to be the biggest issue. And for whatever reason it is it clear that the dev wants images of bbc all over the house lol. So here's just a thought I had for a slightly reworked premise and possible way around the biggest issue for the non-NTR route:
Okay, so at the time the MC comes home, this is the situation. It is as before. Where it's not their house, and they're dependent on the gang/Deon to have a place to stay. Deon has expressed his interest in the mom. She was uninterested at first, but has been so lonely that lately she thinks she might be starting to consider it. On top of that, the gang controls what can be viewed on all the TVs in the house. And obviously the gang wants to turn them into their bitches. So they make it where bbc porn is literally the only thing that they can watch, in order to influence them towards it. And it might be starting to work.
*Enter the protagonist*
If you keep up the influence, then the mom never ends up hooking up with Deon at all (nor has she sucked his dick before, etc.). The MC has arrived in time to prevent anything from even starting. The 3PM scene with Deon and the OS could stay because there it just seems like he's still working on her but hasn't done anything with her yet (it probably also wouldn't hurt if the dialogue made that clearer as well.)
Now if you fail to keep the influence up (which should not be made too difficult to do), then the next danger stage sets in, and it's basically what the game starts as now. The mom and Deon are dating, she's draped over him like a slut in the lounge, and all flirty and relaxed with the gang members. If you don't rebound, then you-know-what happens. But, if NTR is turned off, then you still don't actually see any of it happen. It's just implied or suggested.
Now for some others that might still seem like too much. But to me that would really help cut away the worst of the NTR vibes, and I think it would probably sate at least some of the people who don't want any NTR in their harem-route.
