discussion On Hold Ren'Py DAZ Dominion Redux [v1.04 BugFix] [Fallen Angel Productions and Mylph Money]

[Fallen Angel Productions]

To be fair the dev has listened about some of this issues,if deon was the bf from the start i don't see a problem (as-long as those on the non-ntr path don't see anything), i think it's more the wording when you first meet him in the living room about "sealing the deal"it comes across as tmi for non-ntr players ,say thats my bf or something. i love this game from the aunts house on wards. Also if we say no to the mom's job at the aunt house will that stop the ntr from there or is there going to be a influence stat?

yes he was her bf (their father) at the start and for non ntr players you won't see scenes with him and the mother not even bought up at all as for Aunt's no there's no influence system when mc says no that's it they won't do anything without mc saying so especially the ys she's into the slave thing way more then the others

 

[Randeza]

ok bye don't play it I don't care the mother won't be a virgin the mother is allowed to have a black boyfriend so if you don't like that don't play it simple

good luck with this game and other games

 

[User_63352]

yes he was her bf (their father) at the start and for non ntr players you won't see scenes with him and the mother not even bought up at all as for Aunt's no there's no influence system when mc says no that's it they won't do anything without mc saying so especially the ys she's into the slave thing way more then the others

Ah ok, will check back when the game next update's

 

[RabidSloth2]

Ah ok, will check back when the game next update's

I forgot to unwatch this thread, but before I do, I saw your post here and just wanted to give you a heads up on a couple of things. Keep in mind that I played this game all the way through with ntr turned off only a couple of days ago..


"yes he was her bf (their father) at the start"

This is not true. They are not a couple when the game starts. He is mentioned to be pursuing her, and then they become a couple after the MC moves in and has already starting building up points with the mom. The game also makes sure to mention to you that she's sucked his cock, they've fucked, etc.

And he is not their father... obviously. I don't know what he's talking about here.


"and for non ntr players you won't see scenes with him and the mother not even bought up at all"

This is also not true in the current build. Scenes involving gangbangs and penetration are not shown when ntr is turned off. But the scenes of them practically dry-humping on the couch. Her squeezing his cock through his pants in front of you. Spending time in the lounge alone with him and the gang while she's draped over him, collared and naked. All with a look on her face like she couldn't be any happier and that's there's nowhere else in the world that she'd rather be. As well as all the blatantly cuck-a-rific dialogue. All of that is still there even with ntr turned off.

I really hope for the sake of others that there is just a serious language barrier going on here. Because if there isn't, then that would mean that 1) not only can the dev not even be bothered to use basic punctuation and grammar when responding to players, 2) is utterly unfamiliar with what is and isn't in the game he's representing, or 3) that they are indeed, in fact, beyond misinterpretation: lying. As others have said, but I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt about.

A final thought: I don't know if you ever played the last version of Cumming Home (v1.03, the one that had the two black neighbors as characters). But something that I think is worth remembering and considering: THAT was this dev's definition of "avoidable ntr".

Two examples being basically:

"Yes, your mom and sis are going to fuck these dudes. You don't have to watch. But I'm going to make sure that you know that they did."

and

"Yes, you have to find your sister getting bbc gangbanged. But she wasn't really into it. So it doesn't count as ntr."

...Do with that whatever you will.

I'm going to unwatch this thread. But if anyone has a question about the current build and wants an answer from someone who is not going to piss on them and tell them it's raining, feel free to DM me.

 

[User_63352]

I forgot to unwatch this thread, but before I do, I saw your post here and just wanted to give you a heads up on a couple of things. Keep in mind that I played this game all the way through with ntr turned off only a couple of days ago..


"yes he was her bf (their father) at the start"

This is not true. They are not a couple when the game starts. He is mentioned to be pursuing her, and then they become a couple after the MC moves in and has already starting building up points with the mom. The game also makes sure to mention to you that she's sucked his cock, they've fucked, etc.

And he is not their father... obviously. I don't know what he's talking about here.


"and for non ntr players you won't see scenes with him and the mother not even bought up at all"

This is also not true in the current build. Scenes involving gangbangs and penetration are not shown when ntr is turned off. But the scenes of them practically dry-humping on the couch. Her squeezing his cock through his pants in front of you. Spending time in the lounge alone with him and the gang while she's draped over him, collared and naked. All with a look on her face like she couldn't be any happier and that's there's nowhere else in the world that she'd rather be. As well as all the blatantly cuck-a-rific dialogue. All of that is still there even with ntr turned off.

I really hope for the sake of others that there is just a serious language barrier going on here. Because if there isn't, then that would mean that 1) not only can the dev not even be bothered to use basic punctuation and grammar when responding to players, 2) is utterly unfamiliar with what is and isn't in the game he's representing, or 3) that they are indeed, in fact, beyond misinterpretation: lying. As others have said, but I tried to give them the benefit of the doubt about.

A final thought: I don't know if you ever played the last version of Cumming Home (v1.03, the one that had the two black neighbors as characters). But something that I think is worth remembering and considering: THAT was this dev's definition of "avoidable ntr".

Two examples being basically:

"Yes, your mom and sis are going to fuck these dudes. You don't have to watch. But I'm going to make sure that you know that they did."

and

"Yes, you have to find your sister getting bbc gangbanged. But she wasn't really into it. So it doesn't count as ntr."

...Do with that whatever you will.

I'm going to unwatch this thread. But if anyone has a question about the current build and wants an answer from someone who is not going to piss on them and tell them it's raining, feel free to DM me.

Yeah i now see what you mean, i am trying to be constructive with my comments, but the more i am thinking about this game the more i realize the something;'s not adding up. i agree about the sofa scene's and the dialogue, and those examples are quite telling. Also whats telling is that the mc looks like chad but is written like a pussy in parts on the non ntr path, i just thought it was poor translation or something, but reading your views it makes me wonder if it was intentional, and if it was what a fucking waste of a mc like that. I think if this was more polished in places and a completely "avoidable" ntr game, it would be a really good game!

 

[RabidSloth2]

Yeah i now see what you mean, i am trying to be constructive with my comments, but the more i am thinking about this game the more i realize the something;'s not adding up. i agree about the sofa scene's and the dialogue, and those examples are quite telling. Also whats telling is that the mc looks like chad but is written like a pussy in parts on the non ntr path, i just thought it was poor translation or something, but reading your views it makes me wonder if it was intentional, and if it was what a fucking waste of a mc like that. I think if this was more polished in places and a completely "avoidable" ntr game, it would be a really good game!

I feel you on that, and I got that impression from you. I try to be the same way. Which is why I bothered posting anything more here at all.

I know how toxic people on the internet can be, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, be open to other explanations, be constructive, give credit where it's due, not jump to conclusions, not just automatically believe every allegation, etc. but all of that can only go so far... I don't know if this is all some bizarre and elaborate attempt to try to lure in and convert people who aren't cucks into being open to it or discovering that they like it or what. And I'm not even hating on cucks! You do you! But this is just... I don't even think I want to know what this is.

I just know that I've now become very weirded out by this dev. Which sucks, because as I said, I actually really like the exaggerated bimbo bodies, slutty faces, and kinky dialogue. But now I just know not to listen to a word this dev has to say about anything. As far as giving someone the benefit of the doubt, that well has now run dry with them for me. When something is just so blatantly staring at you right in the face, and someone is basically telling you "It's not me that's lying to you, it's your own eyes." ....yeah.

But maybe there is nothing nefarious or intentionally deceptive going on here. Maybe this dev's definition of ntr is just so far out there that it's not even in this solar system anymore. Maybe this is just someone who absolutely loves ntr with every fiber of their being trying to make a harem game. Maybe somewhere out there there's a counterpoint where someone who is a huge harem lover and completely and utterly obsessed with virgins tried to make an ntr game

 

[Mr. Tearson]

I feel you on that, and I got that impression from you. I try to be the same way. Which is why I bothered posting anything more here at all.

I know how toxic people on the internet can be, and I try to give people the benefit of the doubt, be open to other explanations, be constructive, give credit where it's due, not jump to conclusions, not just automatically believe every allegation, etc. but all of that can only go so far... I don't know if this is all some bizarre and elaborate attempt to try to lure in and convert people who aren't cucks into being open to it or discovering that they like it or what. And I'm not even hating on cucks! You do you! But this is just... I don't even think I want to know what this is.

I just know that I've now become very weirded out by this dev. Which sucks, because as I said, I actually really like the exaggerated bimbo bodies, slutty faces, and kinky dialogue. But now I just know not to listen to a word this dev has to say about anything. As far as giving someone the benefit of the doubt, that well has now run dry with them for me. When something is just so blatantly staring at you right in the face, and someone is basically telling you "It's not me that's lying to you, it's your own eyes." ....yeah.

But maybe there is nothing nefarious or intentionally deceptive going on here. Maybe this dev's definition of ntr is just so far out there that it's not even in this solar system anymore. Maybe this is just someone who absolutely loves ntr with every fiber of their being trying to make a harem game. Maybe somewhere out there there's a counterpoint where someone who is a huge harem lover and completely and utterly obsessed with virgins tried to make an ntr game

Er... But I don't really care for NTR. It doesn't bug me as much of a lot of you. Will never understand it, either. This hatred towards NTR. We are literally becoming no better than the Loli-Shota-Incest haters out there the more we keep this up. Lol. (Let's end this particular topic or I'll be forced to start deleting everything on here)

But yeah, I have discovered there are some bugs(Coding errors) and I'm currently working with them to fix it up now as I saw how they did it. I can understand your POV. But I can promise you, we aren't living in a delusional world. We know the definition of NTR. Have ran it by the Staff many times. And I have played it and seen for myself. It's up to you rather or not you want to stay with this project and see where it leads or move on.

We thank you for your constructive feedback.

 

[RabidSloth2]

Er... But I don't really care for NTR. It doesn't bug me as much of a lot of you. Will never understand it, either. This hatred towards NTR. We are literally becoming no better than the Loli-Shota-Incest haters out there the more we keep this up. Lol. (Let's end this particular topic or I'll be forced to start deleting everything on here)

But yeah, I have discovered there are some bugs(Coding errors) and I'm currently working with them to fix it up now as I saw how they did it. I can understand your POV. But I can promise you, we aren't living in a delusional world. We know the definition of NTR. Have ran it by the Staff many times. And I have played it and seen for myself. It's up to you rather or not you want to stay with this project and see where it leads or move on.

We thank you for your constructive feedback.

I wasn't even trying to suggest that I was hating on ntr lol! I actually get off to ntr on occasion! Harem and ntr are like pizza and ice cream to me. Two very different flavors. They can both be delicious in their own way. But they are both two very different "moods". So as much as I may like ice cream on occasion, I don't want any to get on my pizza while I'm trying to eat pizza lol.

But that wasn't even the real issue that I had. My issue was trying to figure out what the fuck was going on, frankly XD

I know you very politely asked to drop it, but I'm responding just out of a want to clarify. Now if there are, as you say, coding errors, and the stuff that was mentioned weren't supposed to be there, and were only there due to unrealized technical errors, then hey, that's great to hear. I'm still very skeptical though, due to the reasons that I won't rehash again. But I will check out the game again, and I am appreciative of your clarity and civility on this.

An unfortunate reality though is that there is no real unified hard definition of ntr, incest, shot, loli, and futa. Or if there is, it doesn't really matter. Because each one has at least several and sometimes wildly different definitions (or rather, interpretations), and people being people will more often than not be obstinate and insist that their definition is the only "correct" one lol. There are players who legit feel that any other male NPCs being present in a game AT ALL is "NTR" (which imo is way beyond overboard). And some harem/virgin lovers who feel that any female who has ever even seen a dick other than the MC's is a "worthless used up whore". There are extremes along the spectrum in both directions on the subject. But anyway, thank you again for the information lol.

 

[User_63352]

Er... But I don't really care for NTR. It doesn't bug me as much of a lot of you. Will never understand it, either. This hatred towards NTR. We are literally becoming no better than the Loli-Shota-Incest haters out there the more we keep this up. Lol. (Let's end this particular topic or I'll be forced to start deleting everything on here)

But yeah, I have discovered there are some bugs(Coding errors) and I'm currently working with them to fix it up now as I saw how they did it. I can understand your POV. But I can promise you, we aren't living in a delusional world. We know the definition of NTR. Have ran it by the Staff many times. And I have played it and seen for myself. It's up to you rather or not you want to stay with this project and see where it leads or move on.

We thank you for your constructive feedback.

I don't like ntr mixed with harem i don't think it works together, my personal feeling is more of distrust and not hatred about ntr, i have supported quite a few dev's (with alot of money aswell) and they go back on their word about tags (not just ntr) and add them anyway even in one case after FOUR year's of supporting that dev, and that one really hurt. I do like the game without any of the ntr and i will stick around for the next update.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

I don't like ntr mixed with harem i don't think it works together, my personal feeling is more of distrust than hatred about ntr, i have supported quite a few dev's (with alot of money aswell) and they go back on their word about tags (not just ntr) and add them anyway even in one case after FOUR year's of supporting that dev, and that really hurts. I do like the game without any of the ntr and i will stick around for the next update.

I don't know what the Devs are planning for the future. So I can't really vouch for what will happen, although, I can understand your feelings on the matter. I just go around and help people to the best of my ability. But I will say that this game is made more for NTR lovers but they took the trouble to make it so players don't have to go through that path if they don't want to. Which is what I'm trying to help them with. Maybe, and I do mean 'maybe', this issue will be resolved for future releases and everyone can relax.

 

[User_63352]

I don't know what the Devs are planning for the future. So I can't really vouch for what will happen, although, I can understand your feelings on the matter. I just go around and help people to the best of my ability. But I will say that this game is made more for NTR lovers but they took the trouble to make it so players don't have to go through that path if they don't want to. Which is what I'm trying to help them with. Maybe, and I do mean 'maybe', this issue will be resolved for future releases and everyone can relax.

Like i said in my previous post, the mc like he is, is wasted in this type of game, that's my view anyway, will see what the future updates are like

 

[RabidSloth2]

I don't know what the Devs are planning for the future. So I can't really vouch for what will happen, although, I can understand your feelings on the matter. I just go around and help people to the best of my ability. But I will say that this game is made more for NTR lovers but they took the trouble to make it so players don't have to go through that path if they don't want to. Which is what I'm trying to help them with. Maybe, and I do mean 'maybe', this issue will be resolved for future releases and everyone can relax.

Just to clarify this upfront: I honestly do not mean this is any rude way towards anybody when I say this, but I am getting the impression that the dev is not a native English-speaker. And that you either are one, or at least have a very solid grasp on the language. It is possible that at least some of the miscommunication from the dev has been because of this. But also it means that there's a good chance that a lot of the more specific feedback, especially regarding things such as subtleties, tone, dialogue, etc., that has been given here (and possibly elsewhere too) has either fallen on deaf ears, or has just gotten very lost in translation.

Since you do seem to be in better contact with the dev, could you possibly try to see that some of the more specific complaints and criticisms that have been expressed here (by multiple people) get clearly communicated to and understood by the dev? I know that you can't give any personal assurances or make any promises that the dev will actually do or change anything based off of it. But it would be nice to know that the feedback is at least reaching him and that he's understanding it correctly. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that that would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

Just to clarify this upfront: I honestly do not mean this is any rude way towards anybody when I say this, but I am getting the impression that the dev is not a native English-speaker. And that you either are one, or at least have a very solid grasp on the language. It is possible that at least some of the miscommunication from the dev has been because of this. But also it means that there's a good chance that a lot of the more specific feedback, especially regarding things such as subtleties, tone, dialogue, etc., that has been given here (and possibly elsewhere too) has either fallen on deaf ears, or has just gotten very lost in translation.

Nah. We're both native English speakers. What I think happened here is that the expectations and the way things were worded gave off a bad impression on everyone involved. One could be thinking you're talking about "this", the others could be thinking you're talking about something different. So mixed messages and not exactly on the same page. Which is probably why everyone kept up the drama and got defensive with each other. Not everyone can word things like me or you.

Since you do seem to be in better contact with the dev, could you possibly try to see that some of the more specific complaints and criticisms that have been expressed here (by multiple people) get clearly communicated to and understood by the dev? I know that you can't give any personal assurances or make any promises that the dev will actually do or change anything based off of it. But it would be nice to know that the feedback is at least reaching him and that he's understanding it correctly. I'm sure I'm not alone when I say that that would be greatly appreciated.

I believe they already know about this. Maybe, and I, once again, mean MAYBE, I can try talking to them about changing the route a little bit. So the boyfriend isn't TOO much on the girls. At least, verbally. I'll probably have to take some time off of my current project to help with that if they need it. And Fallen is a good friend of mine so I'll be happy to provide my services for him.

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

Again, I want to apologize. I didn't mean to make things worse. I am not good at talking to people due to me being autistic. Mr. Tearson has agreed to help me with communicating in a better way to our fans due to stuff that had happened in the past (Fans attacking Nun Ya constantly). He does not come to these places a lot, so the job has fallen to me.

 

[Misarmor]

Hi,

If you have any problems with the writing, I suggest you make a comprehensive list of what the issues are where both me and the devs can read it. I personally am only "in charge" of writing the NTR path, and I'm not a native english speaker, but having a clear list of problems to solve would obviously help.
My PC is currently at the PC doctor's office (talk about bad timing... Although is there good timing with that kind of thing?) but I already have brought some changes to current scenes I still need to run by the devs.

 

[RabidSloth2]

Hi,

If you have any problems with the writing, I suggest you make a comprehensive list of what the issues are where both me and the devs can read it. I personally am only "in charge" of writing the NTR path, and I'm not a native english speaker, but having a clear list of problems to solve would obviously help.
My PC is currently at the PC doctor's office (talk about bad timing... Although is there good timing with that kind of thing?) but I already have brought some changes to current scenes I still need to run by the devs.

Well, thank you for that. I had put together some screenshots of where I felt the problems were specifically, but I had trouble posting them in the thread, because apparently I'm terrible at navigating this site lol. Unfortunately, I assumed that they would not get addressed anyway, so I deleted them. But if you are indeed willing to take a look at them, then I do like the rest of the game enough to where I'm willing to do it once again.

In other words, I'm going to start a new game right now, and take screenshots of where exactly the controversial issues are (in my opinion , anyway). I will then DM them to you once I'm done =)

I realize that you aren't making any specific promises. But at least this way the "problem areas" can get pointed out with accuracy.

 

[RabidSloth2]

Hi,

If you have any problems with the writing, I suggest you make a comprehensive list of what the issues are where both me and the devs can read it. I personally am only "in charge" of writing the NTR path, and I'm not a native english speaker, but having a clear list of problems to solve would obviously help.
My PC is currently at the PC doctor's office (talk about bad timing... Although is there good timing with that kind of thing?) but I already have brought some changes to current scenes I still need to run by the devs.

Actually I just remembered that it was mentioned that some NTR triggers were not working correctly, but that it's been fixed. Can anyone provide me with an updated script file that I can test the game with? That way I won't waste time by including things that were only showing due to errors anyway.

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

Actually I just remembered that it was mentioned that some NTR triggers were not working correctly, but that it's been fixed. Can anyone provide me with an updated script file that I can test the game with? That way I won't waste time by including things that were only showing due to errors anyway.

I'll send the fan that pointed it out and fixed it a message and get the file from him for you

 

[RabidSloth2]

I'll send the fan that pointed it out and fixed it a message and get the file from him for you

Much appreciated!

 

[RabidSloth2]

Hi,

If you have any problems with the writing, I suggest you make a comprehensive list of what the issues are where both me and the devs can read it. I personally am only "in charge" of writing the NTR path, and I'm not a native english speaker, but having a clear list of problems to solve would obviously help.
My PC is currently at the PC doctor's office (talk about bad timing... Although is there good timing with that kind of thing?) but I already have brought some changes to current scenes I still need to run by the devs.

I'll send the fan that pointed it out and fixed it a message and get the file from him for you

Okay. I just went through everything in the game before the fam leaves for the Aunt's house. I took screenshots, wrote notes, and just DMed it all to @Misarmor . I guess nevermind about that script for now, just in case more needs to be worked on. Whatever content was showing but wasn't supposed to be is likely listed below here and included in the DMs I sent. So if it's gone, then thanks, and that part of the report can just be ignored.


Just so that everyone knows what I reported, I'll list them briefly here:

1) The conversation at the dinner table where it's implied that the mom has sucked Deon's cock.

2) The scene in the lounge where Deon is introduced. When she is cuddled up to him and squeezing his cock through his pants. They both look straight into the camera with their "NTR-faces", let the MC know that they're officially a couple now, and that they fucked, etc.

3) The scene in the lounge where the mom and Deon are cuddled up watching porn together, and the dialogue lets the player know that Deon is grooming her and that she likes it.

4) The gang introduction scene with the Mom, again cuddled up on Deon, and the NTR vibes are strong throughout the tone and dialogue.

5) The scene in the lounge with the mom and the gang that's even worse because she's cuddled up with Deon while collared and naked in front of the gang and seems to be loving it.

And then just a stray line of dialogue here and there.

I'm not sure how much of that was content that was showing just due to errors in the code but wasn't supposed to be. But imo those are the most problematic parts in the first section of the game for a "non-NTR route". Any other players who disagree with me are more than welcomed to sound off of course. But between the DMs that I just sent, and this post, I don't know how to be any more clear and specific than that.

This could very well end up being a "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" situation, on me. But I took the time to do this because I really do like the rest of this game outside of those listed moments. And also for the other players that have expressed the same on the matter. I'm going to probably check out the next build to see what was changed (if anything, I'm still very doubtful), but this is my last ditch attempt on the matter.