discussion On Hold Ren'Py DAZ Dominion Redux [v1.04 BugFix] [Fallen Angel Productions and Mylph Money]

[User_63352]

I also would like to say sorry about my comment's here, i worded my comments all wrong plus i read other user's post on another forum and jumped the gun, i do like the game with the ntr turned off, (the Futa not that much tho), Also i agree with the well explained comments about the living room scene's with the mom, gang and deon. Love the game from the aunts house on wards,

 

[RabidSloth2]

I'm guessing that the aunt's house is still in an early phase. It's missing things like the character icons on the different locations to let you know where they are.

I said before that I think the game could really use a replay/gallery feature. Another, possibly better alternative, would be to handle more things like the morning menu with the LS. Where a choice menu pops up and you decide what you want to do. That way, for example, eventually when the aunt, mom, whoever joins the MC in the shower, we can actually select if we want either the blowjob, fucking, anal, etc. scene to play. We could also choose if we want to join the mom and aunt in bed, or just enjoy watching them lez out this time. That way, if a scene progresses to the point where it eventually becomes very different, we can still have the option of seeing the earlier versions (which may also still be hot). It would let us end up having more variety, I think.

I also think it would be cool if we eventually got to a point of having enough authority that we could tell the women what to wear around the house. Again, so we can still see the other outfits if we want to.

And this is just a personal request/hope. But all the pregnancy teasing in the dialogue drives me fucking crazy (in the best of ways lol!). Here's hoping that eventually the game can have some kind of pregnancy system similar to how The Tyrant did it.

The Tyrant, while unfinished, did include both the outfits thing and a pregnancy system within its sandbox format. So I would think that it'd definitely be doable.

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

Imho this is at least a big part of the issue: Different people are going to look at things differently (stating the obvious, I know lol). But in my mind, to a harem fan, having even that much NTR suggestiveness is enough to ruin the entire experience for them. This may be a dumb analogy, but it's off the cuff and I'm still waking up lol, but hopefully you'll get my point anyway: Imagine there's a delicious-looking pie and you'd love to eat it. But then you notice that right on the surface of it there's a small glop of feces. Some people might say "Well just cut around it and eat the rest." But others are going to be so repulsed by it that the entire pie is now completely ruined for them. NTR is like feces for the people who hate it.


Not that I'm trying to beat a dead horse by giving my own feedback on the issue, I'm just a bit late to the party. But I do want to say that I agree and that the lounge scenes with Deon and the gang (specifically how the mom behaves with them, even when not on the NTR-route) that you're mentioning are definitely the biggest source of and contributes the most towards the issue.




Yes, this. I know that "futa doesn't count" isn't the case with some people, which is fair of course. But it is with me, so my own feedback is that her being there, at least at first, is fine. Since the non-NTR route is supposed to be a harem route though, I do think it would be important for either the OS to eventually leave her for the MC, or, optionally have them both become the MC's girlfriends. That is if you felt like making optional futa content for the people who'd be down for it. But currently, as I said before, I'm mostly fine with her as is. My only thing is that I really don't like the "futas" that are hermaphroditic. I'd much rather her just be a tgirl/dickgirl. But that's just a personal preference thing.


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Now, I'm probably going to get Facepalmed by both sides for this lol. But I'm just going to put a possible slight revamp thought out there for discussion and consideration in the interest of at least trying to potentially find some middle-ground.

I get that Deon and the gang are the source of danger and the antagonist(s) that the MC has to cockblock so that he can claim the girls for his own, and that that's a part of the premise. And the lounge scenes involving them and the mom seem to be the biggest issue. And for whatever reason it is it clear that the dev wants images of bbc all over the house lol. So here's just a thought I had for a slightly reworked premise and possible way around the biggest issue for the non-NTR route:

Spoiler

Okay, so at the time the MC comes home, this is the situation. It is as before. Where it's not their house, and they're dependent on the gang/Deon to have a place to stay. Deon has expressed his interest in the mom. She was uninterested at first, but has been so lonely that lately she thinks she might be starting to consider it. On top of that, the gang controls what can be viewed on all the TVs in the house. And obviously the gang wants to turn them into their bitches. So they make it where bbc porn is literally the only thing that they can watch, in order to influence them towards it. And it might be starting to work.

*Enter the protagonist*

If you keep up the influence, then the mom never ends up hooking up with Deon at all (nor has she sucked his dick before, etc.). The MC has arrived in time to prevent anything from even starting. The 3PM scene with Deon and the OS could stay because there it just seems like he's still working on her but hasn't done anything with her yet (it probably also wouldn't hurt if the dialogue made that clearer as well.)

Now if you fail to keep the influence up (which should not be made too difficult to do), then the next danger stage sets in, and it's basically what the game starts as now. The mom and Deon are dating, she's draped over him like a slut in the lounge, and all flirty and relaxed with the gang members. If you don't rebound, then you-know-what happens. But, if NTR is turned off, then you still don't actually see any of it happen. It's just implied or suggested.

Now for some others that might still seem like too much. But to me that would really help cut away the worst of the NTR vibes, and I think it would probably sate at least some of the people who don't want any NTR in their harem-route.

I get your point everyone has a different opinion I can't remove those Unique is canon to the story

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

I also would like to say sorry about my comment's here, i worded my comments all wrong plus i read other user's post on another forum and jumped the gun, i do like the game with the ntr turned off, (the Futa not that much tho), Also i agree with the well explained comments about the living room scene's with the mom, gang and deon. Love the game from the aunts house on wards,

yeah it's why we removed Unique we wanted 1 game that non futa fans would enjoy as for the lounge scenes of mom fucking Deon those aren't available in the harem route

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

I'm guessing that the aunt's house is still in an early phase. It's missing things like the character icons on the different locations to let you know where they are.

I said before that I think the game could really use a replay/gallery feature. Another, possibly better alternative, would be to handle more things like the morning menu with the LS. Where a choice menu pops up and you decide what you want to do. That way, for example, eventually when the aunt, mom, whoever joins the MC in the shower, we can actually select if we want either the blowjob, fucking, anal, etc. scene to play. We could also choose if we want to join the mom and aunt in bed, or just enjoy watching them lez out this time. That way, if a scene progresses to the point where it eventually becomes very different, we can still have the option of seeing the earlier versions (which may also still be hot). It would let us end up having more variety, I think.

I also think it would be cool if we eventually got to a point of having enough authority that we could tell the women what to wear around the house. Again, so we can still see the other outfits if we want to.

And this is just a personal request/hope. But all the pregnancy teasing in the dialogue drives me fucking crazy (in the best of ways lol!). Here's hoping that eventually the game can have some kind of pregnancy system similar to how The Tyrant did it.

The Tyrant, while unfinished, did include both the outfits thing and a pregnancy system within its sandbox format. So I would think that it'd definitely be doable.

the icons will be finished in the next update as for your other suggestions they are planned but at this point the girls aren't there yet the mother still isn't fully into incest yet the aunt is slowly bringing out the old side of her back soon there'll be fucking everywhere and infront of people
can't spoil to much

 

[RabidSloth2]

as for the lounge scenes of mom fucking Deon those aren't available in the harem route

I'm really trying to understand how I could have explained the issue any more clearly... I'm going to try one more time, and if it doesn't stick this time then I'm going to assume that this is a hill that you've just chosen to die on for whatever reason. We were not talking about the flat out fucking and gangbang scenes. Those are not the issue on the non-NTR route because, as you said, they don't exist there. THIS stuff however, still does.


[ Edit: Nevermind. I took like 20 screenshots but it was a waste of time because I'm used to the other site, not this one, and I couldn't get anything to work right. Failure on my part. Anyone who's played it knows though. The mom looking and acting like a complete whore (and a naked collared one to boot) with Deon and the gang, even with NTR turned off. I guess the logic is there's no penetration going on so it's nothing to be bothered that much by. Again, good luck with that. ]


And 99.999% of people who want to play a harem game don't want anything like this in it. This is what I was talking about that needs to be seriously revamped. At least if you want any hope of the drama and the accusations of lying to ever tone down. If not, then I just don't know what else to tell you. I seriously do not understand how anyone could not get why harem players wouldn't be seriously bothered by this.

the icons will be finished in the next update as for your other suggestions they are planned but at this point the girls aren't there yet the mother still isn't fully into incest yet the aunt is slowly bringing out the old side of her back soon there'll be fucking everywhere and infront of people
can't spoil to much

THIS however sounds awesome, and I'm glad to hear it.

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

I'm really trying to understand how I could have explained the issue any more clearly... I'm going to try one more time, and if it doesn't stick this time then I'm going to assume that this is a hill that you've just chosen to die on for whatever reason. We were not talking about the flat out fucking and gangbang scenes. Those are not the issue on the non-NTR route because, as you said, they don't exist there. THIS stuff however, still does.


[ Edit: Nevermind. I took like 20 screenshots but it was a waste of time because I'm used to the other site, not this one, and I couldn't get anything to work right. Failure on my part. Anyone who's played it knows though. The mom looking and acting like a complete whore (and a naked collared one to boot) with Deon and the gang, even with NTR turned off. I guess the logic is there's no penetration going on so it's nothing to be bothered that much by. Again, good luck with that. ]


And 99.999% of people who want to play a harem game don't want anything like this in it. This is what I was talking about that needs to be seriously revamped. At least if you want any hope of the drama and the accusations of lying to ever tone down. If not, then I just don't know what else to tell you. I seriously do not understand how anyone could not get why harem players wouldn't be seriously bothered by this.


THIS however sounds awesome, and I'm glad to hear it.

yeah she was with Deon first so even on the harem route she fucks him even on the harem route but if you keep paying the gang they won't touch the girls and they all keep fucking mc instead for protecting them

 

[RabidSloth2]

yeah she was with Deon first so even on the harem route she fucks him even on the harem route

That is the big issue though! Why is this part necessary on the harem route when it's clearly obvious by now that it's alienating so many people?

And why even when paying them off does she still have to hang out with the gang naked and collared and draped across Deon with a look on her face like there's literally nowhere else in the world that she'd rather be?

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

That is the big issue though! Why is this part necessary on the harem route when it's clearly obvious by now that it's alienating so many people?

And why even when paying them off does she still have to hang out with the gang naked and collared and draped across Deon with a look on her face like there's literally nowhere else in the world that she'd rather be?

because she's a woman loads of games have the mother in a relationship at the start then the mc gets her later, one of the players reported the ntr switch not working 100% so it's been fixed you shouldn't get the mother hanging with the gang anymore

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

also the loading screen is being changed for the next version

 

[Randeza]

yeah she was with Deon first so even on the harem route she fucks him even on the harem route but if you keep paying the gang they won't touch the girls and they all keep fucking mc instead for protecting them

That is why your game is only appealing to Ntr crowd. For it to be appealing to none ntr you need to remove deon and the mother completely and that is why your game is regarded as an ntr game. You can't be this blind to the issue?, in every ntr game you have the bbc protagonist going after the main characters sex interest and what you have done is made it ntr from the start by having deon and the gang present.

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

That is why your game is only appealing to Ntr crowd. For it to be appealing to none ntr you need to remove deon and the mother completely and that is why your game is regarded as an ntr game. You can't be this blind to the issue?, in every ntr game you have the dark skinned protagonist going after the main characters sex interest and what you have done is made it ntr from the start by having deon and the gang present.

so you are saying the other games with the mother in a relationship (even irl) and mc steals her then it's ntr you do realize the mother fucked mc's father and had him so if you feel that way and not have the mother be married or have a boyfriend then the game or the mc wouldn't exist

 

[Randeza]

so you are saying the other games with the mother in a relationship (even irl) and mc steals her then it's ntr you do realize the mother fucked mc's father and had him so if you feel that way and not have the mother be married or have a boyfriend then the game or the mc wouldn't exist

That isen't the problem you have the BBC AS THE LOVE INTEREST FOR THE MOTHER AND SO ON!!!!!111, A BBC CAN'T BE THE LOVE INTEREST FROM THE START AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.... Seriously i give up

 

[Fallen Angel Productions]

That isen't the problem you have the BBC AS THE LOVE INTEREST FOR THE MOTHER AND SO ON!!!!!111, A BBC CAN'T BE THE LOVE INTEREST FROM THE START AND THAT IS THE PROBLEM.... Seriously i give up

ok bye don't play it I don't care the mother won't be a virgin the mother is allowed to have a black boyfriend so if you don't like that don't play it simple

 

[RabidSloth2]

because she's a woman

This answer makes no sense to me whatsoever.

one of the players reported the ntr switch not working 100% so it's been fixed you shouldn't get the mother hanging with the gang anymore

This however makes perfect sense to me lol.

That being said. The mother still hanging on the couch with Deon and squeezing his dick with a smirk on her face as they both tease about how they fucked earlier and that he's "gonna be your new daddy". That is just way too overboard for a supposed non-NTR harem route to me. The only thing it's going to do is piss players off.

so you are saying the other games with the mother in a relationship (even irl) and mc steals her then it's ntr you do realize the mother fucked mc's father and had him so if you feel that way and not have the mother be married or have a boyfriend then the game or the mc wouldn't exist

And then you said this...

I'm now convinced that you are either intentionally alienating your fans, or you seriously chose the wrong profession. You should not be attached to anything even remotely associated with PR. I've been so baffled by your responses to myself and to others that I've had friends, other devs even, come and look at this thread, and their jaws all hit the floor regarding your conduct. I don't think I'll be interacting here anymore. This has gotten just way too weird and out there. Best of luck and well wishes to you sane folk here in the thread. Rest assured, it is not just you. Something is seriously wrong with this whole situation.

And I'll be telling anyone who asks me from now on exactly what they'll be in for when it comes to anything with your brand on it.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

Alright, guys. That's enough. Clearly everyone is not being civil and things are getting heated up. It's time to move on. No more talk about this NTR crap or BBC, whatever. I'm kind of losing patience with this so please, call it a night and do something else.​

 

[Mr. Tearson]

The only reason it has gotten so far, is because this dev can't see the issues issus and unless he makes changes you will have this discussion coming up time after time again.

I'm pretty sure he already mentioned that he and his team are working on it. Especially for that image at the beginning. He's not being much of an ass.
What he's been trying to say all along is that without the Mom banging people, the sisters and MC would not be there. So the mom was never a virgin from the get-go.

And the talk about this "BBC" guy, he's part of the story plot but isn't going to last long. He's not going to be there forever. (He dies) The Mom, the sisters, and even the Aunt, so long as the NTR path is OFF, is going to belong to MC only.

 

[Mr. Tearson]

Alright, seriously. Enough is enough. I get the feeling not everyone's understanding each others properly. Just call it quit for now.

 

[Randeza]

I'm pretty sure he already mentioned that he and his team are working on it. Especially for that image at the beginning. He's not being much of an ass.
What he's been trying to say all along is that without the Mom banging people, the sisters and MC would not be there. So the mom was never a virgin from the get-go.

And the talk about this "BBC" guy, he's part of the story plot but isn't going to last long. He's not going to be there forever. (He dies) The Mom, the sisters, and even the Aunt, so long as the NTR path is OFF, is going to belong to MC only.

It dosen't look like that from anyone else point of view, you can't have an bbc love interest and call it an none ntr route is what people have been trying to say to him, that dosen't work and people will view that as a big ntr red flag. That is because in every ntr game you have an bbc protagonist doing the ntr.

People will regard that as ntr, no matter how you try to make out to be. You can't have a bbc love interest in a none ntr route is just dosen't work with the crowd that dislike ntr.

I really like this dev and the other games that he does are amazing, its just with this game you have some issues that in my opinion should be adressed

 

[User_63352]

To be fair the dev has listened about some of this issues,if deon was the bf from the start i don't see a problem (as-long as those on the non-ntr path don't see anything), i think it's more the wording when you first meet him in the living room about "sealing the deal"it comes across as tmi for non-ntr players ,say thats my bf or something. i love this game from the aunts house on wards. Also if we say no to the mom's job at the aunt house will that stop the ntr from there or is there going to be a influence stat?