discussion Is AI used to create VNs a good or bad thing?

[Republican Bear]

Maybe someday it will be a good tool to use but the current A.I made games look fake as heck.

Lets say 5-10 years from now when it can actually make realistic images that don't look off.

 

[RevPaco]

I don't mind it but it is becoming increasingly easy to tell. Not sure if there's a single place that devs use to generate the images or what, but the art style feels pretty consistent across games that use it. As far as the art goes I don't mind it for now, but it could get old fast if more folks use. Hopefully the technology will advance and incorporate stylistic changes to differentiate from other games.

 

[IchibiKano]

At the moment, I agree that its got lots of issues, but I think it will end up amazing. It'll take soooo much work out of making quality games once its perfected. When it can remember a character's key features and reliably repose and such without artifacts? Just imagine how much time it will save on making a scene?

 

[dmcloudthe1st]

As long as creators of AI games make separate threads with the mistakes/cronbergian horrors that AI can produce.

 

[Fortist]

I think it's bad 100% not because of morals or artist rights, I just think it looks bad and generic as fuck.
Especially when it's an animu style and arr women rook same, with massive tits and fat asses with no variation.
I also find deepfakes lame, putting the face of an actress on a bitch with bolt ons when the actress is obviously petite.

But AI is slightly better than Summertime-Saga-Copy hand drawn games.

 

[User_80256]

Ah, but therein lies the reason for my thread. AI is being "taught" to learn from experience, so how long before AI artwork is indistinguishable from reality?

My cautious guess, given the dynamics of AI development, is 5-7 years.

 

[jeff1005]

My cautious guess, given the dynamics of AI development, is 5-7 years.

Oh! I'm surprised you think it will take that long. I'd give it 3 years tops.

 

[mrtnt]

AI as it is now is still in it's infancy, anyone that is making any kind of content now with AI is producing junk. but give it several years

 

[sandy]

AI is just a tool, and if used in the right way its fine. We've been seeing alot of AI generated trash these days, but thats because people have been using it wrong. You should be using it to enhance and skip some tedious shit, not to make a game from the ground up. You will never see AI replace artists, programmers and such, but it can definitely make their jobs easier, and make the production of games much faster.
Well thats my hope. It will also depend on how good it becomes but considering how fast its getting better these days, i have high hopes for AI.

 

[IchibiKano]

AI is just a tool, and if used in the right way its fine. We've been seeing alot of AI generated trash these days, but thats because people have been using it wrong. You should be using it to enhance and skip some tedious shit, not to make a game from the ground up. You will never see AI replace artists, programmers and such, but it can definitely make their jobs easier, and make the production of games much faster.
Well thats my hope. It will also depend on how good it becomes but considering how fast its getting better these days, i have high hopes for AI.

My thinking exactly.

 

[Danv]

bad
"AI-generated" become synonymous of garbage, just like "made in China" was before (now everything is made in China anyway)

 

[User_80256]

Oh! I'm surprised you think it will take that long. I'd give it 3 years tops.

Maybe it's an age thing. As a child, I was sure that I would live to see the first permanently inhabited bases on the Moon, flights to which would become commonplace, and flights to Mars and Jupiter's satellites would become a reality.
Life has shown me that I should not be overly optimistic. We have traded the stars for smartphones.

 

[Nastastic]

AI isn't where it needs to be yet but the potential is there. Just look at games like Little Witches Academy and Girl Scout Island (neither of which is here) which (mostly) look quite good. AI is also capable of many different art styles, depending on the checkpoint and prompting used. I would only want it for coding and art generation myself if I were ever to use it to help me make a game. It's still early days but in a couple of years I have high hopes.

As to the censorship thing...that's scary. Since AI can make images that are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing by non-experts (barring recurring infelicities with the rendering of fingers and such) I can easily see a censorship nightmare crashing down on the whole world. Save the (virtual) children! If Westy can have his life destroyed for making young-teen incest porn with DAZ (which is easily distinguished from photography) how much more fucked could somebody be if they made realistic AI loli porn featuring preteens?

Little Witches Academy led to an ongoing fuckover of this entire site (its being reported to the site host is what set off the entire chain of events leading to all the upheaval of the past days) and if anything it looked less realistic then Proud Father (but quite nice art, in my opinion). Imagine what will happen when one can create video with it. Lolis doing all sorts of nasty things in full motion, whether they look cartoonish or not, and even fully voiced with AI? And you know some fool will use it to make fake incest porn with their own fake family members. Fake daughter riding fake daddy's fake dick with fake mommy cheering them on? Go directly to jail, even though he never touched her in real life. (If nothing else, perfect grounds for a divorce which leaves him with nothing.)

So yeah, I would be down for AI to write and render my game ideas (which I will handle the writing for) in a few years when that becomes feasible, though I'm concerned about what could happen between now and then. Freedom or oppression? And we have oppressive forces on the left as well as on the right on this topic, which leads one away from optimism. So... I guess we play the waiting game now. Wait to see if and how the tech improves, how the laws change...or if the machines decide to blow us all sky-high, plug us into the Matrix or just disassemble us for our constituent atoms.

 

[jeff1005]

AI isn't where it needs to be yet but the potential is there. Just look at games like Little Witches Academy and Girl Scout Island (neither of which is here) which (mostly) look quite good. AI is also capable of many different art styles, depending on the checkpoint and prompting used. I would only want it for coding and art generation myself if I were ever to use it to help me make a game. It's still early days but in a couple of years I have high hopes.

As to the censorship thing...that's scary. Since AI can make images that are virtually indistinguishable from the real thing by non-experts (barring recurring infelicities with the rendering of fingers and such) I can easily see a censorship nightmare crashing down on the whole world. Save the (virtual) children! If Westy can have his life destroyed for making young-teen incest porn with DAZ (which is easily distinguished from photography) how much more fucked could somebody be if they made realistic AI loli porn featuring preteens?

Little Witches Academy led to an ongoing fuckover of this entire site (its being reported to the site host is what set off the entire chain of events leading to all the upheaval of the past days) and if anything it looked less realistic then Proud Father (but quite nice art, in my opinion). Imagine what will happen when one can create video with it. Lolis doing all sorts of nasty things in full motion, whether they look cartoonish or not, and even fully voiced with AI? And you know some fool will use it to make fake incest porn with their own fake family members. Fake daughter riding fake daddy's fake dick with fake mommy cheering them on? Go directly to jail, even though he never touched her in real life. (If nothing else, perfect grounds for a divorce which leaves him with nothing.)

So yeah, I would be down for AI to write and render my game ideas (which I will handle the writing for) in a few years when that becomes feasible, though I'm concerned about what could happen between now and then. Freedom or oppression? And we have oppressive forces on the left as well as on the right on this topic, which leads one away from optimism. So... I guess we play the waiting game now. Wait to see if and how the tech improves, how the laws change...or if the machines decide to blow us all sky-high, plug us into the Matrix or just disassemble us for our constituent atoms.

Exactly my sentiments. If I had my brain functioning at 100%, I would have mentioned what has happened to Westy in my opening in this thread. A pity I can only leave one "like" for you; I would have left you an entire page full

 

[Batata365]

OP

 

[Batata365]

Certainly the only way to expand the amount of games on the market

 

[Viber0111]

Depends on many factors. But personally I don't respect it.

 

[locolocus]

atm i would say bad, but when ai getting better it can be a fast way to get intressting vn

 

[AnyNameYouWish]

I'd say it depends. If the writing's good enough to support potentially spotty AI images, I'm fine with it. Doubly so if there's clearly effort that went into everything around the pictures, such as the UI and menu navigation. It might be that the game's creator is a poor visual artist and doesn't have the money to pay for someone else to do the work. Understandable.

If, however, it's clearly shovelware, like a match-3 game/tile puzzle with AI images, I'll be insulted by its existence. At least put some effort into your shitty Candy Crush porn parody. Furry gooners on Steam can do that much, so why can't you?

 

[bgdthom]

I'm also on the 'depends' train. It's great that AI has opened opportunities for people who have zero ability to create 'art' and allowed anyone to put into images what they are thinking. But... it also depends on the consistency and how much work they want to dedicate to the art (even though it's AI). If it's just lazy generations, then that's bad