discussion Why is NTR such a divisive tag?

[Akathrowaway]

My main problem with NTR is that people have different definitions of what NTR is. I was in a thread about an incest game where some Mensa candidate complained that the game had NTR in it be cause the MC's mother (who was an LI) "cheated" on her son with his father because Dad got her pregnant with the MC. The mental hoops some people go through just flabbergasts me some times.

Of course that made me want a story or game where the MC goes back in time to impregnate his mother and becomes his own father... And then I'm suddenly singing this banger:

You joke, but if I remember correctly that's the premise behind the game timestamp: lost love. You end up going back and fucking your mom back to the future style

 

[MrSunDragon]

I've seen a couple game threads where several people are very vocally against NTR or NTS and seem either annoyed or just outright mad when a game touches on that fetish. I'm just curious if anyone out there who has that sort of reaction would be willing to elaborate. Also if NTR is your "go to" fetish, I'd be curious to hear why for that as well.

Here's a question for you, would you like having your partner cheat on you or even fucking another person even with concent?
Or are you the type who would cheat on your partner or another person's partner?

Alot of it is morals and code. Now I used to be a escort and I was hired to bull so I don't mind self inserting, but I know others who see it as unfaithful and a betrayal of trust.

 

[windas]

I actually like stealing other guys' wives or going after other characters' partners in games, so I don't see a problem with it when I'm the one doing it. But having my girlfriend or wife getting fucked behind closed doors in a game? I hate that shit. Back when I watched hentai, there was a phase where literally every single release was NTR, and it was absolute hell. They always start with a happy, wholesome couple and then some ugly bastard shows up and ruins everything. It's just so heartbreaking.

 

[Hadiri]

I agree that while I do like Netori, NTR is a big no. I can see some people getting upset seeing character models they think look good or an interesting premise for the game and then seeing an unavoidable NTR tag that's a turnoff.

 

[AdZemX]

I actually like stealing other guys' wives or going after other characters' partners in games, so I don't see a problem with it when I'm the one doing it. But having my girlfriend or wife getting fucked behind closed doors in a game? I hate that shit. Back when I watched hentai, there was a phase where literally every single release was NTR, and it was absolute hell. They always start with a happy, wholesome couple and then some ugly bastard shows up and ruins everything. It's just so heartbreaking.

I think it could still be a thing even for games now. I remember several times, when I was searching for new games, situation like this:
Me: "Oh, this game looks interesting, I should open description"
Description: "In this NTR game you'll..."
Me: "Oh fuck, not another one..."

Bonus points for cases in a row.
As for hentai - maybe it's only my thing, but I still find it a bit less unbearable than games, since, imo, it usually is not so centered on some MC. And I can't associate myself with them (though I'm not doing it in games either. But still - when they give you a character you can control - it still somehow connects you with character).

And I think I feel kinda similar for Netori stuff - especially when game allows you to choose how do you want to proceed (since I'm trying to be nice, if game allows it). If it not forces you to really play in bastard-style.

For the whole NTR thing from thread question - I don't have a sharing fetish (if it's about literal cuckoldry) and I don't want to play as a herbivore, who can't fight for their partner. That's why it's really annoying to see this kind of thing in story. I'm more or less okay if developer gives you a way to avoid such scenario (it's absolutely logical - you can fight for partner and you can win. Well, maybe ). But when it comes to unavoidable NTR - it's like you're starting a game while being a loser by default. What's the point?
"Sorry, Cuck-kun, I know you're trying hard, but this Ojisan is simply better than you in every way - he's fatter, balder and uglier than you. This is everything I could dream of!" - I just can't take that seriously. Maybe I'm thinking too hard about it though...

 

[Ibnadam]

Well since I haven't seen a reply really go into the difference between NTR and NTS, I'll share my opinion on them. As someone open to and have been in poly relationships IRL, consent is the biggest thing. I prefer swinging over sitting in the corner as a voyeur, but in porn it's at least tolerable. Family Vacation is fun example of NTS done right, imo.

What makes NTR so vile even for a swinger you might ask? It's a breach of trust and the social contract of a relationship. The least any human being could do is communicate that a relationship has lost its spark or there might be someone else. From there you either try to fix the relationship or begin the process of separation. When you try to hide an affair is when things can get very dicey. 2nd degree murder exists because of situations like this, even the justice system will take a small measure of pity on a batshit reaction. It is not fun and games for most people. Hell I half recall a male pornstar once had his dick cut off by wife, either due to cheating or the career.

For most people it's hard to separate real world emotional reactions from fantasy. For some this is not a fantasy they even want to entertain. And probably most importantly of all in the context of porn games, some devs just decide to randomly add it into their games after several updates of it not being there.

 

[ParadiseFan]

When it's added later into a game it pisses people off since it "ruins" the game for, I daresay most, people. If it's made clear at the beginning then people know not spend their time on it, and anyone complaining at that point is just being an ass.

Very few people are ambivalent about NTR. There's some that actually like it, but for everyone else it's an active turn-off. When in a game whose entire purpose is the opposite of that, it kind of kills the game for those people, no?

 

[maxman994]

I do think its interesting that NTR is so vehemently hated by some people, but NTS where women cheat with the protagonist is not nearly as hated. Its for obvious reasons as you can no doubt imagine, but still a double standard nonetheless.

 

[Fap-e-Nator]

Well not many people want to be a Cuck... And NTR especially in an AVN basically makes you a cuck masterbating in your cum soaked chair in the corner, while your woman is getting railed by some other dude and you are helpless to stop it cause your a full on bitch that no woman would respect...

 

[Ibnadam]

I do think its interesting that NTR is so vehemently hated by some people, but NTS where women cheat with the protagonist is not nearly as hated. Its for obvious reasons as you can no doubt imagine, but still a double standard nonetheless.

I think you meant Netori.

A lot of people on these kind of sites aren't bothered with the concept of cheating per say, but rather being cheated on specifically. Some might even derive pleasure from being the seducer/homewrecker even and who is truly off limits varies by the individual. It's what is called a bull fantasy, and is basically unobtainable even for the hottest, wealthiest, and most powerful people in the world. Not everyone is going to be interested in you for any number of reasons, sorry bud/lady, it probably isn't even about you.

 

[Rebel 357]

I've seen a couple game threads where several people are very vocally against NTR or NTS and seem either annoyed or just outright mad when a game touches on that fetish. I'm just curious if anyone out there who has that sort of reaction would be willing to elaborate. Also if NTR is your "go to" fetish, I'd be curious to hear why for that as well.

To point out, I'm sure when people mean NTR it's against Netorare and Netorase. Netori is the respectable one that shouldn't be lumped in with the first two mention.

Netorare and Neorase is cuck shit. It is for cucks by cucks. That should be a red flag for any of you supporting a dev; any dev that makes Netorare or Netorase is a cuck and should not be considered trustworthy. Would you trust a coward after all? These are the sort of devs who are cucks, the ones who quickly bend over to censor their own game when they are pressured to. Plenty of these NTR games get abandonded to, which serves the bigger cucks right for supporting a cuck in the first place.

 

[AdZemX]

I do think its interesting that NTR is so vehemently hated by some people, but NTS where women cheat with the protagonist is not nearly as hated. Its for obvious reasons as you can no doubt imagine, but still a double standard nonetheless.

Maybe I'm confusing some things (NTS? I think you meant something else), but in the way I understood your message - isn't it a natural thing though? For analogy - you're supposed to be happy if you kill your enemy in a shooter. And, suddenly, if enemy kills you - you're not so happy anymore. Going by that logic, NTR games more like shooters, where you play as MC without weapon, whose fate is to be killed again and again. As long as developer won't add some kind of "comeback option".

 

[maxman994]

I think you meant Netori.

Minor spelling mistake we gotta cast me into the flame now.

A lot of people on these kind of sites aren't bothered with the concept of cheating per say, but rather being cheated on specifically. Some might even derive pleasure from being the seducer/homewrecker even and who is truly off limits varies by the individual. It's what is called a bull fantasy, and is basically unobtainable even for the hottest, wealthiest, and most powerful people in the world. Not everyone is going to be interested in you for any number of reasons, sorry bud/lady, it probably isn't even about you.

Maybe I'm confusing some things (NTS? I think you meant something else), but in the way I understood your message - isn't it a natural thing though? For analogy - you're supposed to be happy if you kill your enemy in a shooter. And, suddenly, if enemy kills you - you're not so happy anymore. Going by that logic, NTR games more like shooters, where you play as MC without weapon, whose fate is to be killed again and again. As long as developer won't add some kind of "comeback option".

Yeah again, it makes total sense why people would like this but hate ntr, i just think its an interesting observation. Im not really confused on it, mostly just bringing it up for the sake of discussion.

 

[2424ad]

I do think its interesting that NTR is so vehemently hated by some people, but NTS where women cheat with the protagonist is not nearly as hated. Its for obvious reasons as you can no doubt imagine, but still a double standard nonetheless.

yeah people saying that they hate it because it breaks up a wholesome couple, or because its about trust or something when its their turn to cheat on someone as a MC its not a bad thing. Its fine to not like ntr but people get way too upset at it in my opinion

 

[AdZemX]

yeah people saying that they hate it because it breaks up a wholesome couple, or because its about trust or something when its their turn to cheat on someone as a MC its not a bad thing. Its fine to not like ntr but people get way too upset at it in my opinion

I'm not too well educated in NTR titles, but from what I remember (from a few games I touched), sometimes Netori stuff tends to have some kind of feature to, idk how to put it, convince player to take MC role - not everyone is fine with actually "dark story" (where MC is a real couple breaker, who, maybe, doesn't even care about woman. Who just wants, for example, to make soon-to-be-cuck suffer), so developer could try to justify MC actions. Like "MC really has feelings to this woman", "her guy is a literal cuck/piece of shit" or "they don't really love each other" (though there would be no point in cheating part in this case. Since MC will be akin to a knight saving princess from unwanted relationship). It's hard to remember actual examples though... Only hizure's works came to mind (I still yet to try their second game, but I can't picture their MC as an "evil-evil" type). And maybe it's all bullshit and I'm just trying to justify my fetish, idk .